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Yea, dont hate kids, especially if u guys are the ones buying stuff that is bottom line made for them, for all u know they could be going through something terrible, maybe alcholic parents, abusive parents, so i wouldnt hate them, not their fault they were brought into this world with parents that cause them to be the way they are. I'd understand being angry at SOME for the way they act, but just hating all of them is just plain cruel, and also many people dont like kids getting tf's cus they'll break them, or mess them up, so what, they got it from the TOY department, they should be able to do what they want if the parents spent the money, and besides, not all kids will mistreat the toys just cus they look young, i remember when i was like 5 my parents would get my power rangers figures, and zords, and i kept them in great shape, only reason i dont have them is cus my dad accidently threw away the case containing them while i was at school, other than that they were complete with all pieces and weapons.

As Billy Connolly once said:

'The more people that are born, the dafter they get, the IQ levels are plummeting. Look at this Big Brother, people are sitting in a house, watching people sitting in a house.'

'It is time to trim the herd'


I second this sentiment, greeting faced children and old people. All you need is a space shuttle and a one way ticket into the sun, sorted.

Maniac23 wrote:As Billy Connolly once said:

'The more people that are born, the dafter they get, the IQ levels are plummeting. Look at this Big Brother, people are sitting in a house, watching people sitting in a house.'

'It is time to trim the herd'


I second this sentiment, greeting faced children and old people. All you need is a space shuttle and a one way ticket into the sun, sorted.

Um. No.

*scratches Maniac23 off the list for event planner on Fun Day*

...Nooooo.

Autobot032 wrote:

Maniac23 wrote:As Billy Connolly once said:

'The more people that are born, the dafter they get, the IQ levels are plummeting. Look at this Big Brother, people are sitting in a house, watching people sitting in a house.'

'It is time to trim the herd'


I second this sentiment, greeting faced children and old people. All you need is a space shuttle and a one way ticket into the sun, sorted.

Um. No.

*scratches Maniac23 off the list for event planner on Fun Day*

...Nooooo.

Gutted

I deal with kids on a day-to-day basis, spending even more time with them than their parents do, and I have to say, it's not the kids, it's the parents that are the problem.

I've had really bad kids come to my school and within literally weeks of starting my class, they've gone from uncontrollable to some of the best kids in my school. And I've never once raised a hand to them.

Parents here simply disgust me. Kids are nothing more than a social security for them. Their way of thinking is, let the kid do whatever the hell it wants til it can start earning money, then the kid will take care of me for being such a good parent. Some of the horror stories I've heard/witnessed here are shocking in terms of bad parenting.

There is one important key to raising a kid; Discipline. You must be firm at all times. Kids always want to push the boundaries and it's up to you to enforce those boundaries. When one is crossed, you let the kid know. And you make them understand that whatever punishment they receive this time will be even worse if they do it again. I've had kids clean out a classroom for not doing their homework and they've never forgotten to do it again because it would mean cleaning the school.

My aunt back in Canada (and she only gets that title due to blood, she has never earned it) is one of those parents who fork off all responsibilty of raising her kids. At my wedding in Canada last summer, her kids were in the wedding party as an act of generosity on my part. The oldest, her son, wasn't too bad, but had the typical 15 year old "I'm too cool for this" attitude and was wearing clothes about 5 sizes too big for him. But her daughters...oh, her daughters. I wanted to ring their necks. The middle one was clinging to one of my wife's bridesmaids like crazy, honestly would not leave her alone, even to eat. Finally, I told my aunt to take her away from the wedding party table because she was causing a major problem and that was after all, supposed to be a day about my damn wife, not my aunt's bratty little child. So my aunt starting throwing a hissy fit and loudly complaining about it. I just ignored her for the rest of the time and haven't said a word to her since.

Anyway, um, this got kinda long and has nothing to do with Transformers, so I'm gonna shut up now.

Sounds like a bunch of people here remember the "good ole days" when we were younger and how we acted. Fact of the matter is, you can't discipline your kids nowadays. If your seen smacking them in public, you soon get a visit from Social Services. More often than not, the child is threatened with "just wait til you get home", and it never happens.

Just thank your lucky stars you were brought up better than that and let it go. Not gonna do any good to get PO'ed about it. It'll all work out. That kid will have a hard lkesson to learn as he/she gets older and realizes the world doesn't revolve around them.

Random wrote:Sounds like a bunch of people here remember the "good ole days" when we were younger and how we acted. Fact of the matter is, you can't discipline your kids nowadays. If your seen smacking them in public, you soon get a visit from Social Services. More often than not, the child is threatened with "just wait til you get home", and it never happens.

Just thank your lucky stars you were brought up better than that and let it go. Not gonna do any good to get PO'ed about it. It'll all work out. That kid will have a hard lkesson to learn as he/she gets older and realizes the world doesn't revolve around them.

And all the anguish these kids cause on their way to this realization is just collateral damage?

That sounds incredibly apathetic to me, if the world around us is any example, things ARENT going to just work themselves out.

You are giving permission to these parents and children to cause as much anguish as they like before they have some kind of epiphany.

Not everything works out like a sitcom, not everyone comes to realize the errors of their ways. For every positive example like Autobot032 who matured past a rough childhood, many continue to be a stain on our society throughout adulthood.

The idea that we should all relax and let everything work itself out is why once revered documents like the US constitution are now a joke. People take advantage of that apathy. Whether is be a small child taking advantage of his parents apathy, or a world leader taking advantage of the apathy in his country, apathy is what will kill us in the end.

Liege Evilmus wrote:I always got beat for **** my brothers and sisters did, even if I wasn't even there! But you know what, unlike them, I stayed in line. I have no crimial record(mainly because I've yet to be caught doing anything, I plan) but they do and my parents can't see what went wrong.

It's simple, you beat the wrong guy! Since you didn't disipline your kids, the police are now going to!

I ask everyone here who took a beating as a kid, do you think you where abused?

I have scars, and I'll still tell you no I wasn't!

I have read through all your posts and I can say with total conviction that you shouldnt be influencing anyone on how to raise children.

From your writing, you seem like an angry, arrogant, hateful man. Certainly children need discipline while they are being raised and I am all for some kind of population legislation so we as a species can take the stranglehold off our planet.

But your posts stink of abuse, there is a big difference between discipline and what you encourage. Clearly all the beatings you took thoughout your lifetime haven't shaped you the way you claim, you openly brag about being a criminal! You also speak about not having a criminal record like its a badge of honour, success isn't judged by how long you have evaded the police.

All the horrible things you have endured should give you a rare viewpoint on why these things shouldn't happen, but instead you advocate a childhood of beatings with belts, verbal abuse, scar tissue and fear. On top of that, I cant stress this enough, you advocate this from your soapbox as an admitted criminal!

I think someone needs to look in the mirror before pushing your self proclaimed 'molevelant justice.'

One thing that i want to add into this thread is something that my parents used to do with both myself and my older brother. Like every other child we went through the 'i want' phase where we basically wanted everything going toys, computer games, football strips etc...etc...take your pick.

However instead of spoiling us our parents used to set us targets in our school work. I remember i wanted the Manta Force Ship, my parents told me that if i stuck in at school and brought them a good report card at the end of term then they would see what they could do. Lo and behold i knuckled down and done just that, and my parents surprised me with the Manta Force ship, they didn't promise me it but giving me that little ray of hope taught me that hard work and discipline get you rewards.

Now i am a 23 year old man, my brother is 34 with 2 boys of his own and he does exactly the same thing with them, they are great kids who have their hairy fits once every blue moon. However they get their heads down at school and receive one coveted gift at the end of school term as a reward for a good report card. I admit that this way of tackling the topic of this thread may not be for everyone but it sure worked in molding myself and my brother into decent people, and it is working for my brother with his boys, i will do the same if i have kids.

Maniac23 wrote:However instead of spoiling us our parents used to set us targets in our school work. I remember i wanted the Manta Force Ship, my parents told me that if i stuck in at school and brought them a good report card at the end of term then they would see what they could do. Lo and behold i knuckled down and done just that, and my parents surprised me with the Manta Force ship, they didn't promise me it but giving me that little ray of hope taught me that hard work and discipline get you rewards.

Now i am a 23 year old man, my brother is 34 with 2 boys of his own and he does exactly the same thing with them

A great system, one that builds discipine through goals rather than fear. Also a system that will translate to their adult lives as you mentioned, some posters seem WAAAY too eager to break out the belt. Eventually kids become adults and the fear is gone, but instilling an ability to meet ones goals will last a lifetime.

Sid Burn wrote:Not everything works out like a sitcom, not everyone comes to realize the errors of their ways. For every positive example like Autobot032 who matured past a rough childhood, many continue to be a stain on our society throughout adulthood.

Agreed. Things don't necessary just work its way out by itself. Spoiled kids/adults will just stain their way on the expense on others, and not much we can do to change that really, other than teach your kid not to be part of that on-growing stain in the society. Sad indeed.

Just saw a bunch of highschool/college freshmen kids at Target today, tossing TF toys around, trying the voice changing helmets, and pressing those buttons numerous times as if they are trying to break them. Made the area very messy by the time I left. No wonder I start seeing more and more Leaders with non-working light & sound gimmick. And most would have thought the toy aisles are usually messed up by curious little ones that don't quite know what they are doing.

I can happily say that my daughter doesn't act like that. Not that she's perfect. If she starts to act up, I tell her that if she can't calm down, then we will find a nice time-out spot where she can sit until she can calm down. No child wants a time out where her friends could possibly see them. That and the sheer boardom of it all.

Liege Evilmus, I was beaten as a child and I KNOW I was abused. I learned that putting fear and pain into a child doesn't accomplish anything but make them fear you. It doesn't teach.

Now, there are parents that I know who don't like having their children around them. They send them off or ignore them so they don't have to be a part of their lives. It's sad and disturbs me greatly as I love having my daughter around. It creates children that will do ANYTHING for attention.

Now to make this Transformers related. I have never had a bad experiance with kids while looking for Transformers. Usually I'm the only one on the isle. Not that I find a lot. Apparently they usually get there before me. Such is life I suppose.

All these scenes remind me of the brutal Sid in Toy Story.

Susinko wrote:Liege Evilmus, I was beaten as a child and I KNOW I was abused. I learned that putting fear and pain into a child doesn't accomplish anything but make them fear you. It doesn't teach.

I am glad to see I wasnt the only one appalled by Liege Evilmus' many posts praising the benefits of child abuse.

There is NO REASON a parent needs violence as a tool to raise their children. There are a thousand other ways to assert your authority without raising a hand. If you teach a child that violence solves problems, then, big surprise, that child will probably grow up and use violence to solve their problems.

Autobot032 wrote:

--B-- wrote:This makes me feel so good about my kids.

I take my sons throught the toy section every time we go into a store, and I let them "see" any toys that they want to, but then it goes back onto the right spot again, as I worked at TRU, Kmart and Target at different times in my life, and I know what it is like to have to clean up.

No crying, no screaming, no running around like idiots.

No begging for toys and crying because I say no.

They stay in the cart and behave 99% of the time.

Oh, and my wife is one of those hot moms, so eyes, hands, minds and imaginations to yourselves!!!

No offense, but seriously, what's the point? If all they do is get to see the toys, and nothing comes of it, isn't that basically taunting them? Or do you actually buy them something. This post caught me off guard...

None taken.

The point is that they learned that just because they want the toy, it doesn't mean that they can have it. If you get them something every time, they get spoiled and HAVE to get something every time we go into the store.

Sometimes they do get to get a toy or something. They are allowed to see something interesting, check it out, and then they give it back, because they know that they are not going to take it home every time.

I don't think that I am taunting them, as it's something that they see and want to explore, weither it is a toy that has "try me" buttons, or an action figure in the box that they want to get a closer look at, rather than 3 feet away from them.

And they don't throw a fit.

So many times I see kids see something and the parents just buy it, and the kid is tired of it before they even leave the store. That toy is then just destined to sit in a toy box for a while until it get's tossed, or, more likely, ebayed.

And for the record, I have NEVER hit either one of my kids.

I didn't read through this whole thread, but I have to say that, yes that kid was a brat, but you could have handled it better. You could have said something like "Well, I WAS considering giving this to your mom for you, but if you're going to throw things, then this is going for my nephew's birthday" or something like that instead of swearing at the kid. Make up something like that so the kid understands that it's the fault of his actions.

Of course, every situation is different. If I'm holding a smaller transformer and the kid asks for it, yeah I'd consider giving it to him. If I'm holding one of the bigger (read: DANGEROUS) ones, I'd tell the kid that they'd have to get their mother (or father) to ask on their behalf, because if they don't want their kid to have something like that, then there's no way in hell that I would want to be blamed for it.

Still, every situation is different, and hindsight is 20/20. You can't always make the right decision, or take the right action. Parenting is no different. Not everyone can be a terrific parent, but you can try your best. One of the biggest keys to good parenting is consistancy. You can't keep giving a kid what he wants and then expect them to understand why you said no the next time. Another key to parenting is to make sure that the kid knows that there are consequences to their actions. It doesn't have to be violence, but something that will make them understand that what they had done was wrong, like taking away their favorite toy for a while. A 'time out' is NOT discipline. It's a chance for a kid to unwind when they're being too energetic and might hurt themselves. Sitting in the corner on a stool is better discipline if use a pretense to the action. "Go sit in the corner so everyone can see how bad you've been acting". Doesn't work when kids are older than say, 6, but until then it works.

I personally don't see anything wrong with spanking your own child if thier behaviour warrents it. I know that when I was a kid, grounding, time out, restrictions, etc. None of that had any real effect. What I responded to was the fear of a butt whooping!

"If you don't stop acting up we're going home!"
"So what? We'll go home and I'll play with my toys."
"If you don't stop acting up I'll take away your toys."
"So what, then I'll read."
"If you don't stop acting up I'll take away all your books."
"So what, then I'll just pretend and imagine."
"If you don't stop acting up I'm gonna pull your pants down and spank your butt in the middle of this store in front of everyone, and everyone will laugh at you and know that you're acting like a little brat."
"Yes Mom, may I help you carry your packages?"

Big difference.

What I'm wondering is, if a kid is acting like a little sh*t like the one mentioned who threw a toy and hit a board member, can you call the police? Can you grab the kid and hold him till cops get there?

Because if I smack some little kid in a toy store because he intentionally hit me, I'm going to jail right? So why should the little sh*t and his mother not be held up to the same expectations? Perhaps if mom has to deal with police/fines/court appearance/whatever, she won't be so quick to let her child misbehave and act like a sociopath around the public who are minding thier own business.

I don't know what I'd have done in your position, I'd be really tempted to smack the kid in the back of the head, or grab him by the back of the neck and take him to the nearest security guard or something. If the mother isn't going to disipline her child, then I guess 'the world' will have to. And honestly, most people would be alot nicer about it then others. What's the kid going to do when he's older and acts like a sh*t to the WRONG person, who seriously beats them up, puts them in a hospital, or just kills them?

Liege Evilmus wrote:

wavelength wrote:for my post i will address points.
1) i am 14. i get £15 pocket money month, which goes straight into a bank account which is to be used for driving lessons, or on a car or a house when the time comes. i also have a morning paper job, which goes for 6 days a week, and nets me £10 a week, no variables. i have a large local free paper round, which is just once a week, but i have to sort the leaflets into the papers, and there are 165 houses. it can range between £5.76 ( no leaflets) to at least £10.32 (6 big leaflets). so that is between £16-£20 a week. next week, i will be starting another local-free-paper route. 125 papers, probaly about £4.59 to £5 with npo leaflets, and £8? with 6 leaflets. so that is between £20.50 to£28 a week, so i cannot be called spoiled. sometimes ( read: holidays) when it is a few days until i am paid, i may have a quietword with my mum/dad to see if i can borrow the money and reimburse them on payday, but only if it can be covered by that weeks pay. no tantrums, just a quiet word and some wording of which swindle himself would be proud of. i even remind my creditors regularly, so to make ure that i don't end up feeling guilty.

2) kids in store tantrumming- i will update this tommorrow. i need sleep. same with parenting and my views on breeding.

When I was 9 I started during summers weekends and afterschool helping my dad on his delivery routes. When I was 11 I had a warehouse job. I never had a paper route though.

All this statred because I wanted a nicer pair of winter boots than my dad was willing to get me. and since day 1 of working, I had to kick money to the house.

Why do I mention this, well, I just wanna say, I respect your work ethic. In this case I don't see you as spoiled, but as respected, and look forward to your update tomorrow.

thanks dude. update added ( see bottom of page 7), but knowing me, i have just flubbed up a decent post .

also, if i had just had the 'supar ultimate concrete collectors edition truwalmartasdatargetkmarttesco exlusive picascubamonfighta at me i would of picked the kid up be the collar, turn him around, put him down, and just told him to run back to his parental unit, and see if she is bothered by this certain turn of events away from him just getting brawl and becoming even more spoilt.

then i would lol at his confuddled face as he tries to understand what i just told him

I went to my local Tescos. and I found bumblebee evolution of a hero and this toddler was fake crying because he didn't get what he wanted and it annoyed me so much. I hate those kind of kids and I hope I dont have kids like them.

magnusupreme wrote:I went to my local Tescos. and I found bumblebee evolution of a hero and this toddler was fake crying because he didn't get what he wanted and it annoyed me so much. I hate those kind of kids and I hope I dont have kids like them.

pffft, don't bother with kids, just clone your body and neural pathways, so you have a clone of yourself in both mind and body, plus you don't have to put up with some woman who calls you childish because you make your mp starscream fly round the house while making lame noises.

Malikon wrote:I personally don't see anything wrong with spanking your own child if thier behaviour warrents it. I know that when I was a kid, grounding, time out, restrictions, etc. None of that had any real effect. What I responded to was the fear of a butt whooping!

"If you don't stop acting up we're going home!"
"So what? We'll go home and I'll play with my toys."
"If you don't stop acting up I'll take away your toys."
"So what, then I'll read."
"If you don't stop acting up I'll take away all your books."
"So what, then I'll just pretend and imagine."
"If you don't stop acting up I'm gonna pull your pants down and spank your butt in the middle of this store in front of everyone, and everyone will laugh at you and know that you're acting like a little brat."
"Yes Mom, may I help you carry your packages?"

Big difference.

What I'm wondering is, if a kid is acting like a little sh*t like the one mentioned who threw a toy and hit a board member, can you call the police? Can you grab the kid and hold him till cops get there?

Because if I smack some little kid in a toy store because he intentionally hit me, I'm going to jail right? So why should the little sh*t and his mother not be held up to the same expectations? Perhaps if mom has to deal with police/fines/court appearance/whatever, she won't be so quick to let her child misbehave and act like a sociopath around the public who are minding thier own business.

I don't know what I'd have done in your position, I'd be really tempted to smack the kid in the back of the head, or grab him by the back of the neck and take him to the nearest security guard or something. If the mother isn't going to disipline her child, then I guess 'the world' will have to. And honestly, most people would be alot nicer about it then others. What's the kid going to do when he's older and acts like a sh*t to the WRONG person, who seriously beats them up, puts them in a hospital, or just kills them?

The question is, what made you stop? The violence, or the embarassment? The answer is the embarassment. My parents never spanked me to hurt me, just so I felt it (usually a slight sting, but nothing more), but it was the embarassment that made me smarten up. A better question isn't how to discipline your kid without violence, but to embarass them without causing life-long problems. Spanking can work, but people might assume you're beating them. And in truth, one slip and you may actually be beating them. So MY question is, what would you replace spanking with to embarass a child enough to make them stop?

I remember going down the toy aisle and not getting anything after hours of mental anguish going through the endless clothes sections. It made actually getting a toy much more of a big deal to me.
kids today get a toy no matter what, so getting one becomes an obligation rather than a reward. Kids today can always rest assured that they will get a new toy within a few days, so they don't respect their toys. You would be surprised how many toys are deliberately destroyed be kids. They don't care. They are already on their way to get a better one.
The only time I ever saw a kid in the Transformers section was on June 2, 2007. But the kid wasn't even looking at the Transformers. His dad was though lol. He was grabbing every one that was going to be in the movie and the kid was all like "what the heck are these things and why do you look so excited?"
So I have never witnessed any tantrums in the Transformers aisle, but if a kid ever throws a pikachu at me I'm going right back over to the transformers shelv and I'll be all like "Ok, this one's for me... this one's for my friend... and this one is for my other friend... and this one is for my other friend... this one Ill save for someone's birthday... this one I'll save for Christmas..." until the kid goes

i've been reading this thread, and there is so much psychology embedded within it.

Some people are calling for brutality, population extermination, and etc. It might make for a well-rounded argument, but it just is not a viable method of problem solving. I say it because it is illegal to go around killing people because they are annoying, or beating them up.

The focus of this thread seems to be on discipline.

I took a class at my state university last semester. It was called Learning and Behavior, and i am a psych major as stated in my previous post in this thread.

The text for the class is basicaly about animal behavior and human behavior, from a biological and pschological perspective. i do not have the text with me at the moment to quote from, but basically, punishments are not as effective as reinforcers, but is not categorically correct as there are some exceptions. For example, let's say that you do something bad and get punished by your parents. Sometimes it did maybe. But chances are that most of us do not really remember the true # of times they were actually punished in their lifetimes, but only some fraction thereof, usually of the more memorable times. For the # of times the punishment did work, how many times did it not work? What would be the calculated percentage of efficacy? probably not very good.

One example of an effective punishment would be poisonings/taste aversion. Think about it. How many times did you need to be consequenced for some other behavior in order to get the drift? Yet, why is it that after experiencing only ONE poisoning, you never engage in that eliciting behavior (whatever you ate that poisoned you) again? Or at least, with significant reluctance/difficulty? Please try to answer this question.

Though this method of behavioral modification works for food poisoning, it probably wouldn't work out with Child Protective Services as a child rearing tool.

The logic with punishments according to Socrates is that no one wishes for bad [things for themselves] unless if that person also wishes to be miserable. By applying a negative stimulus to a person, that person will learn to associate that negative stimulus with whatever behavior/activity that produced it, which at its core, is really how behavior is shaped/controlled/dictated. Or, action 1 = negative outcome ; action 2 = postive outcome, and so in the interest of being happy, the action/behavior 1 is extinguished.

It looks good on paper, but does it really play out like this in real life? I read about a study done on this sort of thing. Out of 3 groups of people, all of them wanted [for purposes of this thread] a transformer. It doesn't matter how old you are either. So, the experimenters all said "yes" every time a group wanted a transformer and recieved one every time. The second group was told "no." every time they wanted one, and did not recieve one. the third group was told Yes or No on differing intervals and respectively did or did not recieve a tf. So the question for you is, which group persisted in asking for tf's the longest?

There are tons of cliches for child raising. I work in behavioral health, and have worked in a locked facility where we get kids 13-17, straight from cps, jail, courts, and etc, and i've also worked in group homes, sometimes with as many as 25 kids at one time, sometimes for as long as 18 hours a day. They can have bipolar, adhd, drug addicts, and other disorders, be oppositional/defiant to authority, or be gangsters and not take kindly to not calling the shots anymore. No all of them, but most of them tend to be victims more often than not, most of them did not ask for their particular life circumstances. Some of them need medication. Sure, i could beat them up, but how much longer would i have a job? Or stay out of jail? Or maybe i should just kill them like others have suggested in this thread? I have to consequence them sometimes when they cross the lines. But that's what boundaries are for, and you have to stay firm with them, because if you slip once, they are smart and realize it and then try to exploit it, which only makes your job harder.

So in closing, to bring this back to the beginning of this post, the text book says that postive reinforcement is the most effective behavior modifier. It's about changing what the persn wants, and the only way they can change is if they want to. How many of you changed for the better because someone else told you to, or tried to force you? How many of you changed for the better after recieving only 1 negative punishment, or after recieving a transformer after getting a good report card or mowing xyz lawns or etc? Which felt better to you?

My apologies for the verboseness of this post but i didn't see a better way to do it.

i am unlike the kids you speak of. i dont go to target often(thats the only store i go to that has toys i want) so i dont have much transformers.i only have 8 since 2005.i do not trash my toys.i always set them up as a collection and i am not those fat kids. and i think i am the only kid that goes to the transformers section cuz i only saw a couple kids just glance at them then they just move on.

Sid Burn wrote:

Liege Evilmus wrote:I always got beat for **** my brothers and sisters did, even if I wasn't even there! But you know what, unlike them, I stayed in line. I have no crimial record(mainly because I've yet to be caught doing anything, I plan) but they do and my parents can't see what went wrong.

It's simple, you beat the wrong guy! Since you didn't disipline your kids, the police are now going to!

I ask everyone here who took a beating as a kid, do you think you where abused?

I have scars, and I'll still tell you no I wasn't!

I have read through all your posts and I can say with total conviction that you shouldnt be influencing anyone on how to raise children.

From your writing, you seem like an angry, arrogant, hateful man. Certainly children need discipline while they are being raised and I am all for some kind of population legislation so we as a species can take the stranglehold off our planet.

But your posts stink of abuse, there is a big difference between discipline and what you encourage. Clearly all the beatings you took thoughout your lifetime haven't shaped you the way you claim, you openly brag about being a criminal! You also speak about not having a criminal record like its a badge of honour, success isn't judged by how long you have evaded the police.

All the horrible things you have endured should give you a rare viewpoint on why these things shouldn't happen, but instead you advocate a childhood of beatings with belts, verbal abuse, scar tissue and fear. On top of that, I cant stress this enough, you advocate this from your soapbox as an admitted criminal!



I think someone needs to look in the mirror before pushing your self proclaimed 'molevelant justice.'

You don't know me, and until you do, don't you dare judge me!

Let me tell you something about me, and how I deal with kids. I'm a teacher decorated with honors 3 years in a row who gave up working for the board of ed to do the same job free after hours for special needs kids. I donate blood platelets twice a month for kids with lucimia, and grow my hair for the locks for love charity.

I just gave up a $40g per year promotion to a friend because he doesn't know he's going to be a father yet and will need it more than I will, and spent the majority of this past weekend taking care of my friends kid as she's a single mother.

I take my nieces and nephews shopping, to the movies and all other fun things. They know, if they stay good, we keep having fun. If they act up, I don't yell, I just bring them home and their punishment is that funs over.

Now go ahead, ask any of those kids who there favorit aunt or uncle is and they will tell you its me, why, because I treat them like people. My sisters, brothers, and even there friends with kids constantly look to me for guidance.

And keep in mind, advocating dicipline is not advocating aduse!

My father never once hit me, all it ever took from him was either a stern or disaponted look, or if that wouldn't work, the slap of his belt against his own hand. Just knowing that red palm could just as easily be me kept me in line!

That is Malevolant Justice, terror instilled not inflicted!

Mom wasn't so nice though, it was actualy her skill with a wood spoon that got me into fencing.

As for me being a criminal, yeah, I was a respectful kid, but always a plotter, still am. And you know what, all that started off with the mindset of if I'm only gonna get punished for it anyway, why the hell not!?!

But you know what else, it was my own sense of self worth and conscience that got me out of it, and everyone of those lickings helped teach me in advance the CONSEQUENCE of those actions. Which is why I speak of it today, because I walked in those shoes. I was on the inside looking out, not the other way around. I thank God everyday that I came to my senses and can speak openly about what I did in places like here instead of from a cell block!

I learned befor it was to late.

To this day it breaks my heart that about 6 years ago a kid that lived down the block from me tried selling me bag of weed. I sat him down, told him what he was heading for and he listened. A few months later, he was talked back into the game as "my ass didn't know anything anymore" and was shot dead in Newark while trying to get some coke to sell.

He was a good kid, and if his parents took more action in his life, and I know they didn't, he'd still be here today!

Now back on topic, Ahole kids, either through unreared attitude, or negelect usualy turn out to be Ahole adults.

Take that kid yesterday(and seriously if someone calling your sister a bitch doesn't get you mad, I feel sorry for you) Never had a lick of disipline in his life, He acted up, I brought it to him, and sure enough he fell in line.

Now if he was an adult ruining his mouth like that, he would have gotten it alot worse.

I don't fight, I don't like to, I try to handle disputes civily, but that doesn't mean that I havent seen a grown man get taken down for running his mouth or being abusive to a lady.

Do I feel bad for them, never, but I bet you nine times out of ten, these same people got to run rough shot all over as kids!

So I'm just saying, nip that Ahole trait in the bud while you can!

Now you may still think I'm a dirty rotten son of a bitch, and you may be right. However, I'm not looking for absolution or forgiveness for anything I ever did!

But again, don't you dare, dare, judge me until you've seen not only what I've seen but what I'm seeing and how I handle it. If you did you'd think differently of me I'm sure, but you haven't, you just judged, and that and that alone is what truely has me angry!

Now I have to go reply to something in a thread I started last week about how we should all be cool to eachother.

Good Day To You