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[Galvamegs]

I think Star Trek: The Original series is the best because it was the most culturally ground-breaking. It had the most diverse crew. They say it had the coolest characters.

Who are "they?" And I thought TNG had a better cast. But Kirk > Picard.

A long time ago I was eating lunch with some guys, I forget who or when, maybe in the Navy with some shipmates, and I remember one of them saying the Next Generation was better but the Original series had cooler characters (eg. Spock, Kirk, Chekov, Sulu, Scottie, Ohura, etc). Maybe it was my neighbor while we were watching TV who said that. I forget.

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

I think Star Trek: The Original series is the best because it was the most culturally ground-breaking. It had the most diverse crew. They say it had the coolest characters.

diverse for its time...............yes

but its not the "trek" with the most diverse crew.

[Rodimus Prime]

but its not the "trek" with the most diverse crew.

That would be either TNG or Voyager, right?

[Galvamegs]

but its not the "trek" with the most diverse crew.

That would be either TNG or Voyager, right?

Back then they had to deal with-------Cold War, Civil Rights, Women's movement, Sexual Revolution, Vietnam---------more to overcome.

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

but its not the "trek" with the most diverse crew.

That would be either TNG or Voyager, right?

if by diverse crew we mean the characters, then no,its not TNG or Voyager.the most character diverse regular cast is.................

DS9 with 5 blooded aliens[or 6 if you count both Dax's] and Sisko that ended up being a half "god"

TNG had 1 full blooded alien, 1 half alien, a machine and a bunch of humans as the regular cast
Voyager had 3 fb aliens, a hologram, 1 half alien , 1 borg-ified human and then a bunch of humans as the regular cast

if you want the most diverse actor/actress, I think DS9 still wins

DS9 had 3 regular black actors, 3 woman 1 of which was canadian, 1 irish actor, 1 Jewish actor and one from middle eastern decent.

TNG had 2 black actors 2 woman and everybody else was white. [2 from the uk is im right]

voayger........all american including the 1 of Hispanic & the 1 Asian descants.1 black and 4 women

[Galvamegs]

Ground-breaking.

Kirk and Uhura shared the first inter-racial kiss.

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

Ground-breaking.

Kirk and Uhura shared the first inter-racial kiss.

no this is NOT the "the first" interracial kiss ..............you should really take better care of the words you chose to post.

what you should have said was that it was the first interracial kiss seen on television ..........but you would still be wrong.

here is a small list of interracial kisses before the one seen on star trek in 1968

Lucille Ball and Desi Arnaz, I Love Lucy, 1951
Darren McGavin and Sondi Sodsai, Mickey Spillane’s Mike Hammer, 1959
Lloyd Bridges and Nobu McCarthy, Sea Hunt, 1959
John White and Joan Hooley, Emergency — Ward 10, 1964
Robert Conrad and Pilar Seurat, The Wild Wild West, 1966
David McCallum and Victoria Young, The Man from U.N.C.L.E., 1966
Rosey Grier and “Mama” Cass Elliot, The Smothers Brothers Comedy Hour, 1968

there are also examples of interracial kisses in movies going back to 1909

[Burn]

Sto, please, we've discussed this. Just stop. All you're doing is feeding him. Stop now, PLEASE.

[RAR]

Sisko is not really half Prophet as such he is more "Influenced by them" or came about as a result of their actions. His mother wasn't actually a Prophet/ wormhole alien in a physical sense she was possessing Sisko's mother to ensure the birth happened how they foresaw it to happen in their non-linear way.

As soon as Ben's Mom gave birth the Alien departed her - that is why his Mom didn't stick around long afterwards as she felt no particular connection to them as she was either not-present or less present for Ben's dad's courtship and such so her husband was a stranger to her.

A bit tragic really. "However" if you want to wander off into the Novels Ben's Daughter Rebecca seems to be more overtly Prophet influenced she has some slight non-linear perception ability it seems... this may be take to suggest that what ever influence they had on Ben can be passed on to a child - either because they chose it to be or via some DNA change to Ben - but Ben reads as Human so they say.. so I guess you are getting into the realms of mysticism now.

[Ironhidensh]

This is why all the good parts of Ds9 can be summed up in one YouTube Montage of space battles.

[Galvamegs]

This is the difference between Kirk and Picard:

The Crystal Lattice form that was destroying planets, feeding on their energy. Picard wanted to understand it, communicate with it, help it.

The creature on the planet that was killing people because it needed salt to live. It disguised itself as McCoy and tried to explain to Kirk that it was just trying to survive. Kirk responded, "That creature killed several of my men! And I intend to kill it!"

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

Sisko is not really half Prophet as such he is more "Influenced by them" or came about as a result of their actions. His mother wasn't actually a Prophet/ wormhole alien in a physical sense she was possessing Sisko's mother to ensure the birth happened how they foresaw it to happen in their non-linear way.

As soon as Ben's Mom gave birth the Alien departed her - that is why his Mom didn't stick around long afterwards as she felt no particular connection to them as she was either not-present or less present for Ben's dad's courtship and such so her husband was a stranger to her.

A bit tragic really. "However" if you want to wander off into the Novels Ben's Daughter Rebecca seems to be more overtly Prophet influenced she has some slight non-linear perception ability it seems... this may be take to suggest that what ever influence they had on Ben can be passed on to a child - either because they chose it to be or via some DNA change to Ben - but Ben reads as Human so they say.. so I guess you are getting into the realms of mysticism now.

the way i see it, Sisko being considered a "half Prophet" is not debatable.

Sara was not really "His mother" she was an incubator at best, she was the vessel used to carry Ben, but his true mother was actually the Prophet/ wormhole alien that possessed Sara Sisko.

btw, are those books good?

[Galvamegs]

Spock is a way better first officer than Riker. Even in the movies Data became Picard's number one with Riker as a background character. All the movie posters had Picard and Data's faces on it.

[RAR]

the way i see it, Sisko being considered a "half Prophet" is not debatable.

Sara was not really "His mother" she was an incubator at best, she was the vessel used to carry Ben, but his true mother was actually the Prophet/ wormhole alien that possessed Sara Sisko.

btw, are those books good?

Look at it this way Is Picard still Borg ?
No but he is still influenced by them he can/could here the collective in his dreams - to me that suggests he didn't have all the implants taken out other wise if he did then I'd have to raise an eyebrow at the Movies - but then I guess the Borg does contain telepathic species so as such that provides an excuse.

The reason I say Sisko isn't "Half" Prophet is he isn't he reads genetically as human in all tests done on him - they say as much on the show more than once - they do however say he has some small energy traces that shows an influence on him - but it's layered on top of his humanity not a replacement for it - he's not a Genetic Hybrid like Troi or Spock or Selar.

That said Human children of the "Gods" (like Apollo) read as 100% human too and they are not. So leave that as under the heading of "other" for the time being but Sisko is definitely 'not' a Hybrid in the traditional Genetic sense.
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As for the books - the Bajoran Religious stuff drags a bit but it's good in parts I enjoy Rom, Nog, Odo, Quark, Sisko & Ro for the most part the general politics stuff is good too. I am looking at the clock a bit for some of the Kira related parts - you kind of wish they'd get to the point a bit quicker than they do.

The new Voyager Books are much better tight and well paced with very well realised Characters - though perhaps Belanna is a little wet sometimes & Chakotay is a bit variable. The extended Fleet cast are for the most part excellent - Though Janeway's boss is a complete dick.

Most of the Post TNG books are OK Picard and Beverly are great ; funny and cute. Everyone else is a bit under developed though.

The Titan Books have so far been good especially the ones leading up to the big Borg / Caeliar story arc.

If I have one criticism it is getting a little odd that there seems to be a consistent theme in many of the books of mental illness, grief and psychotherapy - and that isn't even anything to do with Troi.

I don't mind the subject matter but it does seems a bit odd to retread the same themes with Janeway, Picard, Geordi, & Tuvok - even the Doctor to some extent in close succession.

You do sometime think "Can we all stop talking about our feeling now please and - you know do something ?".

Anyway in General Star Trek Books are a lot better written than Star Wars ones are just lately. If I have any excitement at all for a New Star Trek TV show it's because of my enjoyment of the books in part - as well as hoping that maybe this time - someone might actually merchandise Star Trek properly this time.

[Ironhidensh]

I have a confession.


I really enjoyed Shatner's Trek books, right up until the captains blood series anyway.

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

Look at it this way Is Picard still Borg ?

according to the Queen.................yes.
although im not syure i agree.

The reason I say Sisko isn't "Half" Prophet is he isn't he reads genetically as human in all tests done on him - they say as much on the show more than once - they do however say he has some small energy traces that shows an influence on him - but it's layered on top of his humanity not a replacement for it - he's not a Genetic Hybrid like Troi or Spock or Selar.

That said Human children of the "Gods" (like Apollo) read as 100% human too and they are not. So leave that as under the heading of "other" for the time being but Sisko is definitely 'not' a Hybrid in the traditional Genetic sense.

those test can only identify what they are programmed to look for
its possible they wouldn't know what to look for in a prophet on a genetic level
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As for the books - the Bajoran Religious stuff drags a bit but it's good in parts I enjoy Rom, Nog, Odo, Quark, Sisko & Ro for the most part the general politics stuff is good too. I am looking at the clock a bit for some of the Kira related parts - you kind of wish they'd get to the point a bit quicker than they do.

The new Voyager Books are much better tight and well paced with very well realised Characters - though perhaps Belanna is a little wet sometimes & Chakotay is a bit variable. The extended Fleet cast are for the most part excellent - Though Janeway's boss is a complete dick.

Most of the Post TNG books are OK Picard and Beverly are great ; funny and cute. Everyone else is a bit under developed though.

The Titan Books have so far been good especially the ones leading up to the big Borg / Caeliar story arc.

If I have one criticism it is getting a little odd that there seems to be a consistent theme in many of the books of mental illness, grief and psychotherapy - and that isn't even anything to do with Troi.

I don't mind the subject matter but it does seems a bit odd to retread the same themes with Janeway, Picard, Geordi, & Tuvok - even the Doctor to some extent in close succession.

You do sometime think "Can we all stop talking about our feeling now please and - you know do something ?".

Anyway in General Star Trek Books are a lot better written than Star Wars ones are just lately. If I have any excitement at all for a New Star Trek TV show it's because of my enjoyment of the books in part - as well as hoping that maybe this time - someone might actually merchandise Star Trek properly this time.

thanks

i haven't read a trek book in almost 10 years

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

I have a confession.


I really enjoyed Shatner's Trek books, right up until the captains blood series anyway.

im just as guilty

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

Spock is a way better first officer than Riker. Even in the movies Data became Picard's number one with Riker as a background character. All the movie posters had Picard and Data's faces on it.

wrong

of all the official theater posters, only 2 of the 4 tng movie posters had Data on it.

First Contact and Nemesis

[Galvamegs]

Spock is Data's idol:



Spock proves he's smarter:

[OptimusN1701]

I have a confession.


I really enjoyed Shatner's Trek books, right up until the captains blood series anyway.

im just as guilty

I loved the first series, especially The Return. I know I read but don't remember much of the second series, and never read the third when I heard they were killing off Spock.

[RAR]

Data is likely designed to have some limits on his intelligence as didn't his dad say the other colonists didn't like the previous androids (especially Law) you can sort of see examples of his tinkering with the intelligence level if you count B4 - but he may be an idiot as he was turned off when he was pretty young so never had the chance to evolve into more - but they suggest he was not capable of that and his positronic brain was a failure.

I would guess that means there is a limit on Data's intelligence too - but obviously he is still smarter than humans usually are and is likely superior to most Organic beings in terms of raw calculation. But he has lost out to organic beings in the past even if he eventually won out by other means.


From 1:07 mark.

[Galvamegs]

It was because of Picard that Data ended up having to sacrifice his own life.

That's why Kirk is better.

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

Data is likely designed to have some limits on his intelligence as didn't his dad say the other colonists didn't like the previous androids (especially Law) you can sort of see examples of his tinkering with the intelligence level if you count B4 - but he may be an idiot as he was turned off when he was pretty young so never had the chance to evolve into more - but they suggest he was not capable of that and his positronic brain was a failure.

I would guess that means there is a limit on Data's intelligence too - but obviously he is still smarter than humans usually are and is likely superior to most Organic beings in terms of raw calculation. But he has lost out to organic beings in the past even if he eventually won out by other means.


From 1:07 mark.

Datas brother's name was Lore not Law..........and I dont see evidence that any of them were designed to have any kind of limits on intelligence.

but in the end,m they can only know or learn what their programs allow them too.

[Stuartmaximus]

[Insurgent]

Not a fan of the new transporter effect. But yeah, looks good. Though I hope the Enterprise doesn't get too badly damaged, or she'll never get far on her 5 year mission.