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Overcracker wrote:

Till-all-R1 wrote:Not sure if this is the accurate place for this question, but I red somewhere that Superion is getting a new release, is that correct?

Apparently he is.

The 2025 13 Primes toyline leaks have revealed several of Superion's members in the line:

Tra Gen Prime Deluxe Air Raid
Product Number: G0123

Tra Gen Prime Deluxe Fireflight
Product Number: G0124

Tra Gen Prime Deluxe Sky Dive
Product Number: G0131

Tra Gen Prime Deluxe Slingshot
Product Number: G0132

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Oh great, so another scenario like Menasor where I'm still one short due to distribution issues and/or delays. My Breakdown PO at EE has been pushed to January!
Part of me is like this is "great news" while the other is like "oh the hassle". lol

Till-all-R1 wrote:Oh great, so another scenario like Menasor where I'm still one short due to distribution issues and/or delays. My Breakdown PO at EE has been pushed to January!
Part of me is like this is "great news" while the other is like "oh the hassle". lol

I bet they will make a boxset eventually, like for Menasor.

-Kanrabat- wrote:

Till-all-R1 wrote:Oh great, so another scenario like Menasor where I'm still one short due to distribution issues and/or delays. My Breakdown PO at EE has been pushed to January!
Part of me is like this is "great news" while the other is like "oh the hassle". lol

I bet they will make a boxset eventually, like for Menasor.

Of course, gotta get those toy decos out!

Emerje

I wish Hasbro upgraded the aerialbot limbs to voyager size so they can scale with the Seekers. If that makes Silverbolt a commander (like Motormaster, and appropriate size for a Concorde) so be it. I'll pay for it.

Rodimus Prime wrote:I wish Hasbro upgraded the aerialbot limbs to voyager size so they can scale with the Seekers. If that makes Silverbolt a commander (like Motormaster, and appropriate size for a Concorde) so be it. I'll pay for it.

I have a feeling Silverbolt may indeed be a Commander Class…
Although this is assuming Hastak is really trying to “upgrade” this Superion compared to the CW version. If not, then Silverbolt could be leader class, possibly a voyager.

It will be interesting to see how this is handled (as well as Devastator); does Hastak feel any pressure to improve these figures, or are they thinking the vast majority of people will be happy to buy these just because the CW versions will be ten years old? Unless there’s somehow some crazy flaw(s) with the Constructicons, I’m confident I’ll be getting those.
But with these Aerialbots, until I know there’s a pretty significant improvement with Superion, I’m definitely on the fence; I’m pretty happy with my UW version (that includes a couple upgrade kits).
I mean, we’re looking at this set being no less than $140 if Silverbolt is voyager class, and closer to $200 if he ends up being CC. Either way, that’s a small chunk of money I’d be happy to save or spend on something else if this new Superion is meh.
For me, the new SS86 Megatron and even Galvatron are higher collection priorities.

Rodimus Prime wrote:I wish Hasbro upgraded the aerialbot limbs to voyager size so they can scale with the Seekers. If that makes Silverbolt a commander (like Motormaster, and appropriate size for a Concorde) so be it. I'll pay for it.

Don't count on the Arealbots limbs to be voyagers. The original G1 libs were all the same size, no matter who they were. But one thing is sure, Silverbolt WILL be a Commander because, like for Motormaster, all the combining bits will be with him. How big Silverbolt will be in bot mode and jet mode, and how the combining bits will integrate, I don't know. Maybe Silverbolt will be a voyager sized bot accompanied with a "base" made out of the combining bots, and everything will combine to make the giant-ass Concorde?

We will see.

-Kanrabat- wrote:

Rodimus Prime wrote:I wish Hasbro upgraded the aerialbot limbs to voyager size so they can scale with the Seekers. If that makes Silverbolt a commander (like Motormaster, and appropriate size for a Concorde) so be it. I'll pay for it.

Don't count on the Arealbots limbs to be voyagers. The original G1 libs were all the same size, no matter who they were. But one thing is sure, Silverbolt WILL be a Commander because, like for Motormaster, all the combining bits will be with him. How big Silverbolt will be in bot mode and jet mode, and how the combining bits will integrate, I don't know. Maybe Silverbolt will be a voyager sized bot accompanied with a "base" made out of the combining bots, and everything will combine to make the giant-ass Concorde?

We will see.

Besides, they already established Deluxe jets with Needlenose and Windblade and their repaints, Hasbro is just going to willfully ignore alt mode scale here.

And we know Silverbolt will be the Commander for next year simply because we know the entire lineup for 2025 except for the CC and Silverbolt isn't listed. Likewise the last two Constructicons will likely be the SS86 CC for next year for the same reason. Which, when you think about it, it's a little strange that we're getting two CCs next year that are part of a larger set rather than stand alone figures.

Emerje

Both the SS86 Constructicons and Legacy Aerialbots are being released next year...

I know a few people thought maybe Hook and Long Haul could end up being a Commander class release; 2 voyagers= $70, pack-in's/accessories= $20.

However, Silverbolt could end up being CC as well...

Doesn't it seem like a stretch for both of these to happen in the same year? I guess there hasn't been word on when Hook, Long Haul, or Silverbolt will be released yet. I could see Silverbolt being 3rd or 4th quarter next year, and then Hook and Long Haul being 1st quarter of 2026. Then Devastator would be completed during the 40th anniversary year of the movie.

-Kanrabat- wrote:

Rodimus Prime wrote:I wish Hasbro upgraded the aerialbot limbs to voyager size so they can scale with the Seekers. If that makes Silverbolt a commander (like Motormaster, and appropriate size for a Concorde) so be it. I'll pay for it.

Don't count on the Arealbots limbs to be voyagers. The original G1 libs were all the same size, no matter who they were.

I know they're not. The listing has them at deluxe. I'm really resisting getting a 3P set, but I doubt Hasbro will consider alt mode scale any time soon.

Rodimus Prime wrote:

-Kanrabat- wrote:

Rodimus Prime wrote:I wish Hasbro upgraded the aerialbot limbs to voyager size so they can scale with the Seekers. If that makes Silverbolt a commander (like Motormaster, and appropriate size for a Concorde) so be it. I'll pay for it.

Don't count on the Arealbots limbs to be voyagers. The original G1 libs were all the same size, no matter who they were.

I know they're not. The listing has them at deluxe. I'm really resisting getting a 3P set, but I doubt Hasbro will consider alt mode scale any time soon.

The last time Hasbro tried to stick to vehicle mode scale over robot mode scale, the fandom grew outraged over Combiner Wars Groove being a Legends Class motorcycle instead of a Deluxe Class motorcycle, and Combiner Wars Blast Off being a fighter jet instead of a shrunken space shuttle.

Rodimus Prime wrote:

-Kanrabat- wrote:

Rodimus Prime wrote:I wish Hasbro upgraded the aerialbot limbs to voyager size so they can scale with the Seekers. If that makes Silverbolt a commander (like Motormaster, and appropriate size for a Concorde) so be it. I'll pay for it.

Don't count on the Arealbots limbs to be voyagers. The original G1 libs were all the same size, no matter who they were.

I know they're not. The listing has them at deluxe. I'm really resisting getting a 3P set, but I doubt Hasbro will consider alt mode scale any time soon.

Altmode scale is something we must forget. Because as a trade-of, the bot scale will be out of whack.

Best example is Starscream would be a freaking commander who would tower over a voyager Optimus Prime. As in Seige Jetfire vs Seige Optimus.

As for poor G1 Megatron, he would be a scientific achievement to make. And that's only if his gun mode is Transformers scale, not human scale.

Rodimus Prime wrote:

-Kanrabat- wrote:

Rodimus Prime wrote:I wish Hasbro upgraded the aerialbot limbs to voyager size so they can scale with the Seekers. If that makes Silverbolt a commander (like Motormaster, and appropriate size for a Concorde) so be it. I'll pay for it.

Don't count on the Arealbots limbs to be voyagers. The original G1 libs were all the same size, no matter who they were.

I know they're not. The listing has them at deluxe. I'm really resisting getting a 3P set, but I doubt Hasbro will consider alt mode scale any time soon.

If you are considering Alt mode scale as a Voyager class for jet, then you have no idea of what scale is.

Being voyager sized does not mean they'd be in scale with anything.

For a voyager sized jet to be in scale, anything else would need to be tiny. Deluxe cars would need be under core class.

When you say things like that, its clear its not scale what is important, its merely size.

You want larger Aerialbots that's fine. That does not mean they will be to scale with anything at all. They'll just be larger than Deluxe Aerilabots.

You want a jet that scales with a deluxe vehicle, it would need to be Commander class, and depending on the actual model of jet, might even need to be a Titan.

Voyager Jets are not really to scale anymore than Deluxe jets are.

Instead of being a condescending a$$hole, why don't you try reading properly?

I stated I would like the Aerialbot limbs to be in scale with the Seekers. Not everything else as well.

Rodimus Prime wrote:I wish Hasbro upgraded the aerialbot limbs to voyager size so they can scale with the Seekers. If that makes Silverbolt a commander (like Motormaster, and appropriate size for a Concorde) so be it. I'll pay for it.

I know how you feel. In my head the planes should all be (roughly) the same size, especially since one of the Areialbots is an F15. And the Stunticons should scale with the Autobot cars.

But the combined modes should be the same height. Combiners make me want to take a pickaxe to my own head sometimes.

If it helps I know the old Uranos combiner scales with the current Seekers in alt mode. I have one and I compared the two in hand ages ago. Of course the combined mode is way taller than the other combiners ... them's the brakes. Maybe he's super cheap now that he's super out of date?

I decided not to get the new combiners. Not even Menasor. In my mind the CW ones are one, big, set and I'm just sorta ... done with buying those guys.

Gauntlet101010 wrote:

Rodimus Prime wrote:I wish Hasbro upgraded the aerialbot limbs to voyager size so they can scale with the Seekers. If that makes Silverbolt a commander (like Motormaster, and appropriate size for a Concorde) so be it. I'll pay for it.

I know how you feel. In my head the planes should all be (roughly) the same size, especially since one of the Areialbots is an F15. And the Stunticons should scale with the Autobot cars.

But the combined modes should be the same height. Combiners make me want to take a pickaxe to my own head sometimes.

Yeah, I was hoping we might get Seeker repaints of that mold, but we only got a ghost Starscream to go with Grand Galvatron, no Skywarp or Thundercracker, which I thought was a no-brainer.

I know with voyager-sized Aerialbots Superion might be Titan-sized, but I wouldn't mind that. But I understand the combiners have to adhere to official Hasbro size guidelines.

If it helps I know the old Uranos combiner scales with the current Seekers in alt mode. I have one and I compared the two in hand ages ago. Of course the combined mode is way taller than the other combiners ... them's the brakes. Maybe he's super cheap now that he's super out of date?

Yeah I'm looking into options, thanks for the suggestion. I gotta get Tidal Wave in first, then I want to get a good look at the SS86 Constructicons next. I thought Titan Devastator scales well with the SS86 Dinobots, so I'll see if the new Constructicons will be an improvement or not.

Rodimus Prime wrote:

Gauntlet101010 wrote:

Rodimus Prime wrote:I wish Hasbro upgraded the aerialbot limbs to voyager size so they can scale with the Seekers. If that makes Silverbolt a commander (like Motormaster, and appropriate size for a Concorde) so be it. I'll pay for it.

I know how you feel. In my head the planes should all be (roughly) the same size, especially since one of the Areialbots is an F15. And the Stunticons should scale with the Autobot cars.

But the combined modes should be the same height. Combiners make me want to take a pickaxe to my own head sometimes.

Yeah, I was hoping we might get Seeker repaints of that mold, but we only got a ghost Starscream to go with Grand Galvatron, no Skywarp or Thundercracker, which I thought was a no-brainer.

I know, right? I mean the Classics Seeker mold scales well in alt. mode, but if you have that Starscream head and you're gonna do everybody as a combiner anyway then I dunno why they didn't go for it. We have Primes SS as a torso, Thundercracker, Skywarp, and the Coneheads all as limbs. Practically designs itself!

And no Sweep as a limb either? We get a Cyclonus/Galvatron combo with no Sweep limbs? What?

But, erm, to bring it back to Studio 86, Devestator is the ONLY new combiner I'm into getting. I have the Takara Titan one, but ... eh. It's eh. I didn't get Siege OS because he's too big IMO (I know, I'm nuts - he's the best titan). I have Herc and Giant as my Devestators, but Hasbro and Takara have really outdone themselves on engineering. Unlike the other combiners Devy isn't really part of that CW "set", so I'd be down for a new one.

A combiner with voyager sized limbs would not be a "titan". At least, size wise. That is, unless the torso component is Supreme Class (Think Armada Unicron.)

Hey, what a coincidinks, see my custom! Link in the sig I have as I post this.

-Kanrabat- wrote:A combiner with voyager sized limbs would not be a "titan". At least, size wise. That is, unless the torso component is Supreme Class (Think Armada Unicron.)

Hey, what a coincidinks, see my custom! Link in the sig I have as I post this.

CW Devastator and POTP Predaking had Voyager sized limbs and they were both Titans.

Sabrblade wrote:

-Kanrabat- wrote:A combiner with voyager sized limbs would not be a "titan". At least, size wise. That is, unless the torso component is Supreme Class (Think Armada Unicron.)

Hey, what a coincidinks, see my custom! Link in the sig I have as I post this.

CW Devastator and POTP Predaking had Voyager sized limbs and they were both Titans.

Meanwhile we have our MPG Trainbots that are basically the size of average Voyagers that combine to a normal CW sized bot thanks to lots of kibble.

Emerje

Sabrblade wrote:

-Kanrabat- wrote:A combiner with voyager sized limbs would not be a "titan". At least, size wise. That is, unless the torso component is Supreme Class (Think Armada Unicron.)

Hey, what a coincidinks, see my custom! Link in the sig I have as I post this.

CW Devastator and POTP Predaking had Voyager sized limbs and they were both Titans.

"Titans" were their official classification, but all of these limbs could have been sold as "deluxes" for their simplicity and hollowness.

Rodimus Prime wrote:Instead of being a condescending a$$hole, why don't you try reading properly?

I stated I would like the Aerialbot limbs to be in scale with the Seekers. Not everything else as well.

Sorry for sounding condescending. It was not my intent. Just trying to explain why Aerialbots to scale are not feasible.

But again, being to scale even with the Seekers is not realistic.

The only one that would be the same size as a seeker would be Air Raid. Everybody else would be completely different sizes since they are different airplane models.

In that case, Silverbolt would have to be massive to keep that scale. 4 times the length of any Seeker.

And the differing sizes of the Aerilabots would mean a very lopsided Superion.

Scale is a very tricky thing.

-Kanrabat- wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

-Kanrabat- wrote:A combiner with voyager sized limbs would not be a "titan". At least, size wise. That is, unless the torso component is Supreme Class (Think Armada Unicron.)

Hey, what a coincidinks, see my custom! Link in the sig I have as I post this.

CW Devastator and POTP Predaking had Voyager sized limbs and they were both Titans.

"Titans" were their official classification, but all of these limbs could have been sold as "deluxes" for their simplicity and hollowness.

Except for their size and shape preventing any of them from fitting inside Deluxe class packaging.

Sabrblade wrote:

-Kanrabat- wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

-Kanrabat- wrote:A combiner with voyager sized limbs would not be a "titan". At least, size wise. That is, unless the torso component is Supreme Class (Think Armada Unicron.)

Hey, what a coincidinks, see my custom! Link in the sig I have as I post this.

CW Devastator and POTP Predaking had Voyager sized limbs and they were both Titans.

"Titans" were their official classification, but all of these limbs could have been sold as "deluxes" for their simplicity and hollowness.

Except for their size and shape preventing any of them from fitting inside Deluxe class packaging.

The packaging is pretty much irrelevant.
Especially when the figure is too big to fit, they simply disassemble some parts that you have to put back together. They do this often.

-Kanrabat- wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

-Kanrabat- wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

-Kanrabat- wrote:A combiner with voyager sized limbs would not be a "titan". At least, size wise. That is, unless the torso component is Supreme Class (Think Armada Unicron.)

Hey, what a coincidinks, see my custom! Link in the sig I have as I post this.

CW Devastator and POTP Predaking had Voyager sized limbs and they were both Titans.

"Titans" were their official classification, but all of these limbs could have been sold as "deluxes" for their simplicity and hollowness.

Except for their size and shape preventing any of them from fitting inside Deluxe class packaging.

The packaging is pretty much irrelevant.
Especially when the figure is too big to fit, they simply disassemble some parts that you have to put back together. They do this often.

I'm pretty sure if one were to completely disassemble one of those Predacons, it still would not fit in a deluxe box. Looking at Predaking, its near same height as Omega Supreme.