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On the planet Beast in the year 2023, the war rages on between the Beastformers and Laser Beasts, the two armies now on equal footing after the Beastformers acquired Doublecross and followed White Leo's example in adopting mechanical bodies. Tigerburn remains confident, however, as his forces have recovered two of the Three Wise Ones' gemstones and are in control of the headless bodies of Repugnus and Grotusque. Suddenly a portal opens up above the battlefield and disgorges Repugnus himself and Hedgehog, immediately followed by the other Headmasters who escaped the destruction of the Legends World, and Autobots and Decepticons alike choose to assist their old Beastformer allies against the Laser Beasts.
The panicking Tigerburn has the Headmasters Scopecougar and Skullgrotes combine with the two Monsterbot bodies, though his efforts are in vain as they're faced with the arrival of Jetfire, Bumblebee, Seaspray, Alana, Spike, and Marissa, the latter finally being reunited with Sue in the process. Having used the Water Gem of Motion to restore Tlalak and its Well of Transformation, Seaspray sprays its water on Scopecougar and Skullgrotes, separating them from Toraizer and Shuffler as well as the Monsterbot bodies. Repugnus is quick to reclaim his, though White Leo reveals that Grotusque cannot be restored right now as his head is in another dimension with Platinum Tiger.
The reason for this is that Platinum Tiger has sequestered himself after becoming evil, having fallen victim to the curse of the Head Tiger when he used it to save Grotusque's head from the Laser Beasts. While Grotusque attempted to mitigate the curse by using the gemstones to merge with Platinum Tiger, it was not enough and the Beastformer chose to seal himself away so as to never harm anyone. Grotusque says he's happier this way, having never liked his ugly body to begin with, but Platinum Tiger can sense that the time has come for the Monsterbot to return and suddenly breaks out of his self-styled prison, combines with Grotusque's body and downloads the Monsterbot's consciousness into it. While Grotusque protests, Platinum Tiger insists that it's too dangerous for them share the same body and urges Grotusque to face his problems as himself.
Enraged by his loss of the Monsterbots, Tigerburn steals the Water Gem of Motion from Seaspray and uses the three gems in his possession to call upon the power of the legendary Red Phoenix, Wood Beetle, and Shocking Shark...
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Enraged by his loss of the Monsterbots, Tigerburn steals the Water Gem of Motion from Seaspray and uses the three gems in his possession to take control of the Beastformers' legendary Red Phoenix, Wood Beetle, and Shocking Shark and pit them against the Transformers. Doublecross/White Leo and Grotusque/Platinum Tiger spring into action and use the combined power of machine and beast to battle the mobile bases, and when Repugnus envies their newfound strength, Hedgehog offers to form his head using Spike's Headmaster exosuit. In response, the Shocking Shark bites into Hedgehog and damages his head mode, though Repugnus, whose consciousness has moved into his body, automatically repairs the Beastformer into a form resembling his own head. With the addition of the smaller Repugnus armor's gun mode and White Lune's Targetmaster form, the three Monsterbots defeat the mobile bases, allowing White Leo to tackle Tigerburn and call upon the three gems himself. He explains to the Laser Beast Emperor that to melt his cold heart and prove that the residents of Beasts can live together, he will merge with Tigerburn himself into an example of unity—and in a flash of light the two are crystallized, becoming a monument of their final struggle.
Fifteen years later in 2038, the Monsterbots finish explaining what happened to the newly arrived Legends Rattrap, adding that Platinum Tiger has since locked himself within the Holography Mirror and that Rattrap's group has arrived during the G2 Era when the Decepticons are led by their new hero, Galvatron II. Elsewhere, Galvatron II punishes Hooligan for referring to him as "II" before announcing that he will rob Beast of all its energy.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Lemme see...fenrir72 wrote:Just to clear things up. As Sakamato did a superb job linking all the lore together. Both west and JP.
Concerning the Headmasters though, is this how it goes and did I get it right?
Kinda-sorta. The Masterforce Transtectors were either given life by Devil Z (the Decepticon ones) or by a miracle (the Autobot ones)fenrir72 wrote:1. Transtectors are lifeless but eventually can develop sentience after being exposed/linked to a sentient being (Masterforce)
In Repugnus's case, that larger body was his actual body to begin with. He had been previously beheaded and had his head taken to the Legends World where he was converted into a Headmaster (and where he was also given a new smaller armor vehicle to use). When he rejoined with his original body here, he downloaded himself into his main body like you said to let Hedgehog attach himself to Repugnus's body using Spike Headmaster Exosuit.fenrir72 wrote:2. Repugnus downloaded his"personality" into his larger transtector. So he abandoned the headmaster armor and also brought his spark into the bigger armor(?).
Pretty much, yeah. I'm sure Sakamoto might have been referencing "The Rebirth" when he had Repugnus download himself into his own body to let Hedgehog become his Headmaster.fenrir72 wrote:3. In Rebirth, I recall Brainstorm mentioning download your personality into their back up aka the techspec meter (sure back then the lore was all over the place). Is this similar to concept #2?
The Exosuit head didn't change right away like the Combaticons did. Rather, it attached like normal, but then the Shocking Shark damaged it. When Repugnus used his own power to repair the damage, he reformatted Hedgehog himself into a full-fledged Headmaster to make the new head better resemble his own head.fenrir72 wrote:4. When the "Cerebros" head connected, it remolded into it's current shape, kind of similar to how the Combaticons were created. The "spark" remolded the vehicle? In this case the head.
I think it was said/implied that, after the fighting with the Laser Beasts ended, the three Beastformers who bonded with the Monsterbots gave the Monsterbots back their own heads/bodies to make them whole again, as White Leo (who had bonded with Doublecross) had frozen himself with Tigerburn, while Platinum Tiger (who had bonded with Grotusque) secluded himself back inside the Holography Mirror. It is presumable that Hedgehog had parted ways with Repugnus as well.fenrir72 wrote:5. There are now two personalities existing in their forms. Just like the Western Headmaster concept. Binary bonding? How they get them in harmony is anyone's guess?
I guess? "The Rebirth" wasn't too clear on how exactly the bonding process improved everyone involved, since it had so many new toys to advertise in so little time.fenrir72 wrote:6. In Rebirth, the vehicle headmasters can run their vehicle modes independently though having pilots improves their output 100%
Possibly. At least partially, maybe, like an animal. After all, the little Partner Drones owned by the normal Autobot and Decepticon Headmasters were, and even Weirdwolf's own Transtector behaved like a dog when he wasn't piloting it (needing to go for walks and everything).fenrir72 wrote:7. His (Repugnus) mini-mee power armor is now sentient?
We don't know if it will be a battle, or if he'll just choose to go back in time on his own.fenrir72 wrote:8. Galvatron II. There's going to be abattle that will eventually hurl him back to 1985 from which his ghost back story is going to begin (explaining those artwork in Japan where both Megatron and Galvatron 1986 toy colors existed together)
Hard to say. That last time we see Megatron before Galvatron II takes over, he's in his G2 purple tank form, but the first time we see Megatron after Galvatron II has taken over, he's back in his G1 form.fenrir72 wrote:9. Since this is G2, when Galvatron II took over, was that G1 form Megatron or G2 purple tank Megs?
Eventually, he'll have to. Though, he'll be in his G1 form again between that time.fenrir72 wrote:10. Will G2 tank Megs eventually evolved into combiner tank Megs who will eventually escape to the Legends Universe?
Well, since the evacuation chapter said that everyone got out of the Legends World to safety, he presumably made it out too with the rest of the refugees, so he's gotta be back in the G1 World somewhere off-panel.fenrir72 wrote:11. What happened to Headmaster G1 "Mayor" Megatron?
Most unlikely. Power of the Primes has already since been released in Japan with zero accompanying fiction. Takara seems to be allowing Sakamoto to continue playing around with whatever scarce few releases of the Legends line they're willing to keep putting out in exclusive form, but also seem to have him be pretty hands off when it comes to the Power of the Primes line, likely due to the whole brand unification thing that having Takara keep their shared products with Hasbro on the same page as each other, out and away from the Japanese TF lore that Legends continues to play around with.fenrir72 wrote:12. Will this eventually link 'em to the PotP figs? Starscream for instance is a headmaster, when's he gonna turn into Hero Starscream who will eventually be pursued by Jazz, Bumble and Grimlock?
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
ZeroWolf wrote:I think you'll have to rely on head cannon for potp, though I'm sure that sakamoto could do a massively better job then machina...
We'll see. That Unite Warriors Baldigus manga sort of implied that he chose to go back in time after having gotten so fed up with being called "Galvatron II" during the G2 era, going back in time to a point before the first Galvatron exist so as to make himself being the first and only Galvatron (until he was blown up by Metroplex in the 90s, that is).fenrir72 wrote:Thanks Sabr!
As for Galvatron II. If he's the psycho based on Furman's, I doubt it he will just leave peaceably.![]()
Well, you could always come up with some imaginative backstories of your own.fenrir72 wrote:PotP seriously needs some Sakamoto back story. I need my toys to have some serious back story!
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Sabrblade wrote:I guess? "The Rebirth" wasn't too clear on how exactly the bonding process improved everyone involved, since it had so many new toys to advertise in so little time.fenrir72 wrote:6. In Rebirth, the vehicle headmasters can run their vehicle modes independently though having pilots improves their output 100%
Thing is, we have 95 preceding episodes and a movie that show these alien robots to be sophisticated enough to do both at the same time with no problems whatsoever. It was just an excuse to work in a new gimmick for these new toys that needed to be advertised in such a small window of opportunity.Cyberpath wrote:They can distribute the workload between them -- the Autobot can concentrate on the steering and his human partner on the marksmanship (remember the training scene with Daniel/Hot Rod & Blurr from part one, where Brainstorm said it proved his theory that they could function better with human partners.)
And that know-how turned out to be "Punch and shoot the darn things", which any Auto-idiot could have figured out if given the chance.Cyberpath wrote:Also, the Nebulans have the know-how to destroy the Hive's machines, and the Autobot have the powerful bodies and firepower to pull it off.
Especially when the Decepticons do absolutely nothing but stand around surprised and cower like dogs, with Scourge being the only Decepticon out of 10 who even attempts to defend himself by firing back.Cyberpath wrote:Additionally, it boosts their numbers. ("Two Autobots are better than one, Cyclonus!")
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Sabrblade wrote:Thing is, we have 95 preceding episodes and a movie that show these alien robots to be sophisticated enough to do both at the same time with no problems whatsoever. It was just an excuse to work in a new gimmick for these new toys that needed to be advertised in such a small window of opportunity.Cyberpath wrote:They can distribute the workload between them -- the Autobot can concentrate on the steering and his human partner on the marksmanship (remember the training scene with Daniel/Hot Rod & Blurr from part one, where Brainstorm said it proved his theory that they could function better with human partners.)
Sabrblade wrote:And that know-how turned out to be "Punch and shoot the darn things", which any Auto-idiot could have figured out if given the chance.Cyberpath wrote:Also, the Nebulans have the know-how to destroy the Hive's machines, and the Autobot have the powerful bodies and firepower to pull it off.![]()
Sabrblade wrote:Especially when the Decepticons do absolutely nothing but stand around surprised and cower like dogs, with Scourge being the only Decepticon out of 10 who even attempts to defend himself by firing back.Cyberpath wrote:Additionally, it boosts their numbers. ("Two Autobots are better than one, Cyclonus!")
Faced with semi-corporeal enemies that are unaffected by his attacks, Straxus, chief engineer of the Primus Vanguard, concludes that only the power of the Matrix can defeat them. This is proven true when his leader arrives and effortlessly slashes through the beings with his Matrix Sword, joking that Straxus's usual pompous attitude is nowhere to be found before, to Straxus's shock, lending him the sword. Revealing that his entire body is infused with Matrix energy thanks to the α Matrix in his chest, the leader battles the enemies with a variety of other weapons while declaring that himself to be "Blue", the Matrix-chosen great commander—the Big Convoy—of the Primus Vanguard. The entities fade away when struck by Convoy's Blue Pèlerinage, a powerful Matrix-powered blast from his cannon, but not without delivering cryptic whispers stating that they are retreating in the face of the "blue apostle" and that they will return "when the seven are divided".
In the aftermath, Straxus realizes the attackers must have been the Specters mentioned by the Vanguard's previous leader, Brightes. Combining the α Matrix and Matrix Sword into a beacon that summons their comrades, Convoy simply responds that their identity is of no concern: no matter the enemy, the duty of the Primus Vanguard is to defend spacetime.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Grown up a bit, but yeah. There were always effeminate dudes.ZeroWolf wrote:Last panel, aren't they both boys?
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Nay, good sir. Zone was not the end of G1 in Japan. Well, it was as far as animation was concerned, but there were two more G1 series in Japan after it: "Return of Convoy" (A.K.A. "The Battlestars") and "Gattai Daisakusen" (meaning "Operation Combination").Skritz wrote:Looking at this LG-EX Manga reminds me how absurd it is that Zone, of all things, is getting even a tiny bit of live. Wasn't it a complete flop in Japan? The last dying gasps of the brand there, before it got supplanted by the Brave series.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Sabrblade wrote:Nay, good sir. Zone was not the end of G1 in Japan. Well, it was as far as animation was concerned, but there were two more G1 series in Japan after it: "Return of Convoy" (A.K.A. "The Battlestars") and "Gattai Daisakusen" (meaning "Operation Combination").Skritz wrote:Looking at this LG-EX Manga reminds me how absurd it is that Zone, of all things, is getting even a tiny bit of live. Wasn't it a complete flop in Japan? The last dying gasps of the brand there, before it got supplanted by the Brave series.
What's more is that Zone did have a complete storyline that spanned 12 chapters of story pages and two catalog mini-stories, which altogether told a fairly lengthy tale that the single cartoon episode and single manga chapter were only a smidgen of in the grand scheme of things.
Afterward, Return of Convoy would likewise have its story told via several story pages and a single manga chapter, and Operation Combination with get only story pages and telephone-based audio adventures.
Having discussed the origins of Transformer life and the existence of their souls with Primacron in 2011, Wheeljack begins researching the subject by examining personality components, the part believed to contain a Transformer's essence. By 2025, he succeeds at extracting the elusive spark from his own personality component, proving once and for all that his species does have souls, though to Perceptor's horror the experiment causes Wheeljack's personality program to reset and leaves him without any memories. Finding records of the research results, Perceptor begins wondering what happens to sparks when Transformers die...
In 2035, the Powered Masters return to the Tenth Planet in response to a disaster, discussing Violen Jiger originating there as an aggregate of Decepticon ghosts and whether or not the location has anything to do with the reappearance of Starscream's ghost. Suddenly, Dai Atlas and Sonic Bomber are decapitated by none other than Violen Jiger himself, whose soul had not been vanquished but used the Tenth Planet's energy to resurrect himself. A couple years later in 2038, Megatron returns from the destroyed Legends World to his proper era and is met by Soundwave, who returned fifteen years earlier and has kept his mouth shut about knowing about Megatron's eventual return. He explains that all Autobots and Decepticons present in Legends World have a secret agreement not to talk about encountering people from the future in order to avoid causing any time paradoxes, though by now Optimus Prime has been informed and should be returning the Zodiac to Dai Atlas.
However, the robots that meet with Prime aren't Dai Atlas and his comrades at all, but Violen Jiger's components—Vion, Lenja and Igern—who are inhabiting of the Powered Masters' bodies in order to take the Zodiac by force! His plot is foiled by the arrival of the real Powered Masters, who were saved by Perceptor and Wheeljack having used the Tenth Planet's resurrective properties to recover their sparks and place them in protoforms, allowing them to return in new Headmaster bodies. A heated battle breaks out as the Powered Masters use their teamwork and new Headmaster capabilities to best Lenja and Igern, but Vion, in the body of Dai Atlas, is able to defeat Optimus Prime and take the Zodiac. He points out that the Powered Masters' new bodies are lacking Powered Engines, devices granted to them by Vector Sigma, and that the reason Violen Jiger took their original bodies is because a Powered Engine allows him to use the Zodiac to its maximum potential.
Violen Jiger calls upon the Zodiac and transforms into Dai Atlas's Zone Mode, but fortunately Topspin and Twin Twist arrive and grant Dai Atlas access to their own Powered Engines by connecting their own Zone Modes to his, allowing Dai Atlas to counter Violen Jiger's attack. The blast causes the power of the Zodiac to run dry, so Violen Jiger retreats to replenish it with Energon Z. Optimus Prime intends to give chase, seeking to recover the Zodiac and create a new home for the displaced Legends World citizens, but Dai Atlas already knows where Violen Jiger is headed: the home of Energon Z, Planet Z.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
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