The Energon Pub

[william-james88]

Between the minimal paint differences and price it makes it so much easier to just stick with Hasbro.

But isnt the price difference because these come with the extra titan master vehicle? Also, we have absolutely 0 indication of the Hasbro price so how can anyone know if this is truly more expensive?

Even if the deluxe figures went up to $20 a piece it would still be cheaper since the titan master/vehicle sets are going to be $5 a piece. And with buying both you get an extra head on top of it being cheaper.

Thats fair, I'm hoping its not above the 20$ price. Also, I like how with hasbro I can choose to save money if I dont want to buy the extra titanmaster vehicle.

[steals_your_goats]

Between the minimal paint differences and price it makes it so much easier to just stick with Hasbro.

But isnt the price difference because these come with the extra titan master vehicle? Also, we have absolutely 0 indication of the Hasbro price so how can anyone know if this is truly more expensive?

Even if the deluxe figures went up to $20 a piece it would still be cheaper since the titan master/vehicle sets are going to be $5 a piece. And with buying both you get an extra head on top of it being cheaper.

Thats fair, I'm hoping its not above the 20$ price. Also, I like how with hasbro I can choose to save money if I dont want to buy the extra titanmaster vehicle.

I honestly don't think it'll reach $20 (toys r us excluded) they may be a bit more complex but nothing too extreme where I can see them really raising it. I expect it to stay between $15 and $17 USD

[Evil Eye]

Leaving aside accuracy arguments I think I like the Japanese versions a bit better, except Galvatron. I prefer the darker Hasbro purple.

[Cobotron]

Does anyone think it's slightly wack that the titan master vehicles don't come with their intended masters? For the dino/bird dude/thing it completely voids out the dino mode. He'll have no lower jaw. What good is a dinosaur if it can't bite stuff?

(sorry, have a cold, and too sicky to look back at proper names and junk.)

[william-james88]

Does anyone think it's slightly wack that the titan master vehicles don't come with their intended masters? For the dino/bird dude/thing it completely voids out the dino mode. He'll have no lower jaw. What good is a dinosaur if it can't bite stuff?

(sorry, have a cold, and too sicky to look back at proper names and junk.)

I guess thats because he is only a weapon when the main figure is in robot mode and is used as such. But then in alt mode the head can join forces with the titan master vehicle/animal.

But still, I completely agree and this is something I had not thought of. Guess what, this cements things: I am sticking to hasbro for all TR deluxes which arent exclusive.

[kurthy]

Well, except for Skullcruncher, I think I'll go with the Hasbro version. I like the use of black instead of brown on certain parts of Hardhead. It makes a better blending for the legs and vehicle mode. Plus I like Hardhead's toy head.

Galvatron, I like deep purple more than pale purple, so even though TT does a better job on the gray contrasts in some areas like the treads, I'll have to go with Hasbro.

But Skullcruncher, that red doesn't do it for me, I want that Takara pink!

[Targetmaster Kup]

I like the Hasbro purple better.

[SuperStryker7]

Between the minimal paint differences and price it makes it so much easier to just stick with Hasbro.

But isnt the price difference because these come with the extra titan master vehicle? Also, we have absolutely 0 indication of the Hasbro price so how can anyone know if this is truly more expensive?

Even if the deluxe figures went up to $20 a piece it would still be cheaper since the titan master/vehicle sets are going to be $5 a piece. And with buying both you get an extra head on top of it being cheaper.

I doubt it'll be cheaper in any way. You have to factor in that 1. It's Japanese. 2. Import costs 3. Different paint 4. Brand new heads. 5. Vehicles in exclusive colors.
Or given that almost always, TT versions have been more expensive than Hasbro releases.

[Cyberpath]

Does anyone think it's slightly wack that the titan master vehicles don't come with their intended masters? For the dino/bird dude/thing it completely voids out the dino mode. He'll have no lower jaw. What good is a dinosaur if it can't bite stuff?

(sorry, have a cold, and too sicky to look back at proper names and junk.)

Ohh, I didn't know that the vulture combines with another headmaster to form a reptile mode. That's kinda interesting. Now I like the inclusion of the small partners in this set even less.

But I still fancy the main figures! Wish that Skullcruncher could transform without excess parts though. That tail weapon is not elegant like Weirdwolf's tail/blade.

[Spotter5]

Is the little dude that comes with Galvatron, Megatron? Looks like him

[william-james88]

I doubt it'll be cheaper in any way. You have to factor in that 1. It's Japanese. 2. Import costs 3. Different paint 4. Brand new heads. 5. Vehicles in exclusive colors.
Or given that almost always, TT versions have been more expensive than Hasbro releases.

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Ok, so now onto your point, yes as soon as you bring in import costs it will never be cheaper unless one lives in japan. For sure. But I tend to judge the toys in their own rights. As it might be more expensive for me, its not Takara's fault that I live in a country they dont distribute in and thus have to pay a higher fee. So I was judging the price more than the cost, which as you mention indeed will always be higher.

So yeah, Takara will almost* never be cheaper, but I just wonder if there are enough differences worth paying the extra importing cost. In this case I really dont feel its so. Much unlike Combiner Wars.

*Takara sometimes is cheaper when the actual hasbro counterpart is not sold in my country (Canada) which happened quite a bit last year. We never got Gen Arcee or the online exclusive combiner limbs Slingshot and Wildrider. it turned out that it was more expensive to import the Hasbro version from the states than the takara version from japan. And yeah, even if I buy all the Superion components minus Slingshot locally.

[william-james88]

If anyone is wondering why the shadows are so smooth on galvatron, thats because he is digitally coloured. I believe quite a few of the other pics are too. Here is the original imges without the digital colouring.
http://www.allspark.com/2016/03/new-pho ... ta-magnus/

So yeah, these are the planned colours but not necesarily the finished ones.

[Jelze Bunnycat]

Is the little dude that comes with Galvatron, Megatron? Looks like him

Not quite, as Galvatron in most continuities is Megatron, reborn through Unicron (go watch the 1986 Movie ). The little guy is called "Nucleon", and should be considered more of homage to the original Megatron, as well as a bit of an in-joke.

[Wolfman Jake]

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I like the Hasbro purple better.

Hasbro usually goes for a much deeper purple than how Galvatron appeared on the cartoon or in the '86 movie. It's a match for the purple found on the original G1 toy, even though the color layout is much more based on his screen appearances. Takara likes to go for a lighter purple, but they go just a bit too light in most cases. It's a better match for Cyclonus' on screen appearance, honestly. This has been the case ever since Takara redecoed the original Galvatron toy for a reissue in the early 2000's. For some reason, they're convinced that light purple is THE definitive color for the crazy Decepticon despot. For what it's worth, I think the recent "Decepticons: Specialists" redeco of the Universe deluxe Galvatron mold is the closest purple we've gotten to Galvatron's G1 cartoon/movie look. Take a gander for yourselves:

[william-james88]

It's a match for the purple found on the original G1 toy

The purple on his arms and thighs right?

[Wolfman Jake]

It's a match for the purple found on the original G1 toy

The purple on his arms and thighs right?

Yep. That's Hasbro for you. The TOY is always the definitive version to them. All other media appearances are imperfect interpretations of their "original" vision for these characters, apparently.

[Spotter5]

Is the little dude that comes with Galvatron, Megatron? Looks like him

Not quite, as Galvatron in most continuities is Megatron, reborn through Unicron (go watch the 1986 Movie ). The little guy is called "Nucleon", and should be considered more of homage to the original Megatron, as well as a bit of an in-joke.

Ahh thanks! Yeah I've seen the movie which was why I was a little confued that Nucleon looked like Megatron He'd look cool with a teeny tiny Decepticon insigna on his chest

[william-james88]

It's a match for the purple found on the original G1 toy

The purple on his arms and thighs right?

Yep. That's Hasbro for you. The TOY is always the definitive version to them. All other media appearances are imperfect interpretations of their "original" vision for these characters, apparently.

Not for Sky Bye though. In that case Takara went with the dark blue that was remeniscent of the toy while Hasbro went for the more show accurate sky blue.



They did butcher the rest of that toy though.

[Jelze Bunnycat]

Is the little dude that comes with Galvatron, Megatron? Looks like him

Not quite, as Galvatron in most continuities is Megatron, reborn through Unicron (go watch the 1986 Movie ). The little guy is called "Nucleon", and should be considered more of homage to the original Megatron, as well as a bit of an in-joke.

Ahh thanks! Yeah I've seen the movie which was why I was a little confued that Nucleon looked like Megatron He'd look cool with a teeny tiny Decepticon insigna on his chest

Still makes me wonder what route TakaraTomy will take for them. The only instance in which Megatron and Galvatron were side-by-side (current IDW series aside) was in the Marvel comics via an alternate timeline. That Galvatron is now considered a separate entity, dubbed "Galvatron II" and is featured rather prominently in the eHobby comics.

[D-Maximal_Primal]

The colors look nice on the Hardhead, but Galvatron needs to be darker. Love the extra detail to the heads too. Also a bummer about the titan master vehicles not coming with the intended partner.

Overall, Hasbro seems to be good and takara good as well. About equal maybe

[Wolfman Jake]

It's a match for the purple found on the original G1 toy

The purple on his arms and thighs right?

Yep. That's Hasbro for you. The TOY is always the definitive version to them. All other media appearances are imperfect interpretations of their "original" vision for these characters, apparently.

Not for Sky Bye though. In that case Takara went with the dark blue that was remeniscent of the toy while Hasbro went for the more show accurate sky blue.



They did butcher the rest of that toy though.

That's another weird case of Takara "over compensating" on the color too, but in the other direction. Though, having Legends "Gelshark" in hand and having had Generations Sky-Byte as well, I can tell you that the blue on the Takara version is not AS dark as in the stock photography floating around. Hasbro's blue is a little more anemic than Sky-Byte's RID 2001 cartoon appearance. Again, the true hue seems to be somewhere between what Hasbro has done and what Takara has done, it's just that this time, Takara seemed to skew more toy accurate with the tones of blue while Hasbro went more show accurate, but Takara's overall deco layout is much more show accurate.

[Hellscream9999]

I find it fascinating that these are being met with such lackluster enthusiasm, if not out right general dislike - for one reason or another.

I can't actually remember a time when a full wave of TT figures was met with a unanimous 'meh'; Whether it be colors, price for what you're getting, removing 'key components' (headmaster partners - lookin' at you not-crashbash), it seems like TT may have struck out entirely with a lot of people, and this is strange to me

[Wolfman Jake]

I find it fascinating that these are being met with such lackluster enthusiasm, if not out right general dislike - for one reason or another.

I can't actually remember a time when a full wave of TT figures was met with a unanimous 'meh'; Whether it be colors, price for what you're getting, removing 'key components' (headmaster partners - lookin' at you not-crashbash), it seems like TT may have struck out entirely with a lot of people, and this is strange to me

I actually like these Takara versions quite a bit. I appreciate the cartoon accurate heads for Hardhead and Skullcruncher. Hasbro's toy-accurate hard head isn't bad, but the Takara Skullcruncher head is just a superior sculpt all around, even if you disregard the toy versus cartoon argument. The colors for Skullcruncher are pretty much equivocal. Takara's layout is just a bit more screen accurate, but it's not that drastic, really. Hasbro has perhaps more screen accurate duller shades for Hardhead, but the brighter shades on Takara's version really pop nicely. Having the color matched Headmaster vehicles/weapons is also an enticing plus. Galvatron looks great, period, and the difference between the Hasbro and Takara versions in terms of paint apps are very minimal (but still present). I'm going to wait until some in hand pics surface to decide if I want to err on the side of dark purple with Hasbro or light purple with Takara. In the meantime, I have all three Takara offerings preordered to my TFSource stack. If, before August, I find Hasbro's Galvatron in store and fall in love with the purple, or we get more info about the possibility of the Takara head/titan masters coming out as "booster packs" in Hasbro markets to create the on screen looks for the deluxe Headmasters, I may cancel one or more of those Takara preorders.

[Hellscream9999]

I find it fascinating that these are being met with such lackluster enthusiasm, if not out right general dislike - for one reason or another.

I can't actually remember a time when a full wave of TT figures was met with a unanimous 'meh'; Whether it be colors, price for what you're getting, removing 'key components' (headmaster partners - lookin' at you not-crashbash), it seems like TT may have struck out entirely with a lot of people, and this is strange to me

I actually like these Takara versions quite a bit. I appreciate the cartoon accurate heads for Hardhead and Skullcruncher. Hasbro's toy-accurate hard head isn't bad, but the Takara Skullcruncher head is just a superior sculpt all around, even if you disregard the toy versus cartoon argument. The colors for Skullcruncher are pretty much equivocal. Takara's layout is just a bit more screen accurate, but it's not that drastic, really. Hasbro has perhaps more screen accurate duller shades for Hardhead, but the brighter shades on Takara's version really pop nicely. Having the color matched Headmaster vehicles/weapons is also an enticing plus. Galvatron looks great, period, and the difference between the Hasbro and Takara versions in terms of paint apps are very minimal (but still present). I'm going to wait until some in hand pics surface to decide if I want to err on the side of dark purple with Hasbro or light purple with Takara. In the meantime, I have all three Takara offerings preordered to my TFSource stack. If, before August, I find Hasbro's Galvatron in store and fall in love with the purple, or we get more info about the possibility of the Takara head/titan masters coming out as "booster packs" in Hasbro markets to create the on screen looks for the deluxe Headmasters, I may cancel one or more of those Takara preorders.

Yeah, not sayin' they're bad, but, there's quite a bit more 'discussion' or trepidation than any of their other legends/uw releases, something I find quite interesting

The fact that TT crashbash isn't capable of forming his dino mode is an immediate pass for me, and galvy looks weird in lilac and the brown isn't doing it for me with hardhead, but it is quaint that they include a vehicle for the titanmaster.

[Hellscream9999]

On an unrelated note, about 'nucleon' wasn't the premise of the line characters piloting big mecha of themselves? Like, that's the official premise via hasbro, so shouldn't nucleon actually be called megatron then?