The Energon Pub

[Burn]

True and the original inrai didnt use the original optimus cab either.

He could though if you folded his legs up behind the cab.

[william-james88]

Ah! Thanks. Maybe lena's leftovers will let us own them individually.

[chuckdawg1999]

Say, how'd we get talking about Masterpieces in the Legends thread, anyway?

Maybe including those sketched wasn't such a good idea after all...

Right, I got a dilemma: Swerve. The US version has Flanker, the Japanese has Phaser. As for Tailgate, the US version has flames (like the Prime version), while the Japanese version is all bare like the G1 original. I like extra deco (US Tailgate), and I like space craft (Japanese Phaser). Which to choose?

Buy all of them and support the brand. It's better to be in a cardboard box then not buy toys, we may never get them again!

[Flux Convoy]

As long as we also get a God Bomber as well. Even if it was sold separately I wouldn't care.

Plus we'd need the obligatory Nucleon Quest and Fire Guts repaints.

Haven't you heard? Ginrai totally already exists, brah! Botcon 2014 fo life! Seriously though. I'd be all in. Also, for serious, I do very much enjoy the con figures this year.


He's a lot nicer in hand. The mock ups make him look kind of cruddy.
http://www.botcon.com/BotCon2014/BC14exclusives.html
Forgot about his gallery to better show him off.
http://www.seibertron.com/transformers- ... ai/3365/1/

I don't acknowledge club exclusives. They're over-priced and over-hyped.

I can't tell you that your opinion is wrong but... wait. Yes, I can. Your opinion is wrong.
They're certainly not cheap though. I dunno, there's very few club figures I'm not pleased with. The pricing is hardly any more or less absurd than third parties either. I buy those too. Do you buy those? Not picking a fight, I'm making conversation.

[william-james88]

As long as we also get a God Bomber as well. Even if it was sold separately I wouldn't care.

Plus we'd need the obligatory Nucleon Quest and Fire Guts repaints.

Haven't you heard? Ginrai totally already exists, brah! Botcon 2014 fo life! Seriously though. I'd be all in. Also, for serious, I do very much enjoy the con figures this year.


He's a lot nicer in hand. The mock ups make him look kind of cruddy.
http://www.botcon.com/BotCon2014/BC14exclusives.html
Forgot about his gallery to better show him off.
http://www.seibertron.com/transformers- ... ai/3365/1/

I don't acknowledge club exclusives. They're over-priced and over-hyped.

I can't tell you that your opinion is wrong but... wait. Yes, I can. Your opinion is wrong.
They're certainly not cheap though. I dunno, there's very few club figures I'm not pleased with. The pricing is hardly any more or less absurd than third parties either. I buy those too. Do you buy those? Not picking a fight, I'm making conversation.

I will indulge in the conversation. I dont buy exclusives or third parties. One of the reasons for the exclusives is the cost for the relative value, especially since it's usually a mold I already have. I am also not big on the fiction so their exclusive redecos usually dont mean much to me either (I dont know who Flamewar is for instance).
I preffer the general release figures (Hasbro and Takara) because they give a greater sense to the inclusiveness of this brand. I want this brand to prosper and continue and it is through the mass release toys that it does. These are the toys that kids will love and cherish and maybe turn them into the fans we are now. Also, extra effort in general release figures is always worth so much more to me. Having them do a stellar paint job on the animated Autotroopers doesnt impress me as much as them painting the individual pop out missiles on generations Skids. And for the Takara release, their paintjob is sometimes so beautiful that it outdoes convention exclusives while costing less.

And another thing, for club exclusives, I just dont care paying more for molds that have nothing to do with the deco. I would much rather wait for a proper release of generations Tarantulus than pay a bunch for one that turns into a motorcycle.

[Flux Convoy]

I will indulge in the conversation. I dont buy exclusives or third parties. One of the reasons for the exclusives is the cost for the relative value, especially since it's usually a mold I already have. I am also not big on the fiction so their exclusive redecos usually dont mean much to me either (I dont know who Flamewar is for instance).

Then you simply aren't their audience. Flamewar has been an established character since 2005.

I preffer the general release figures (Hasbro and Takara) because they give a greater sense to the inclusiveness of this brand. I want this brand to prosper and continue and it is through the mass release toys that it does.

Incorrect. It is through the boatloads of money the movies bring in along with merchandising that the brand flourishes and has brought us to our current state.

These are the toys that kids will love and cherish and maybe turn them into the fans we are now. Also, extra effort in general release figures is always worth so much more to me. Having them do a stellar paint job on the animated Autotroopers doesnt impress me as much as them painting the individual pop out missiles on generations Skids. And for the Takara release, their paintjob is sometimes so beautiful that it outdoes convention exclusives while costing less.

That's a matter of opinion. Right or wrong, it's not fact. In nearly every case, club/con/sub figures feature a ridiculous amount of deco.

And another thing, for club exclusives, I just dont care paying more for molds that have nothing to do with the deco. I would much rather wait for a proper release of generations Tarantulus than pay a bunch for one that turns into a motorcycle.

Again, apparently, you simply aren't their audience. Tarantulas in that mold makes sense in their fiction. Until we get new beast molds, there's not much they can do with the ones we've got. We've got Rat Trap, Rhinox and Waspinator recently. While I like them, there's not much other BW guys they can redeco them into. Packrat, grumpy Rhinox and Buzzsaw perhaps.

[william-james88]

That's a matter of opinion.

No SH!T, that's why I responded to you. You said you wanted to discuss, I do. I do not appreciate you tearing it apart and saying that what I say doesnt matter because I am not the intended audience and all I say is opinion and not fact. The point of discussion is that we have opinions. Just because you dont agree with an opinion, especially when it is not stated to be anything else than that, doesnt mean you have to tear it all apart. Then what`s the point. You wanted to know why people dont buy exclusives and there you have it. Just an opinion. You dont like it, then there is no use arguing about it. It's not like I will suddenly think differently.

[Flux Convoy]

That's a matter of opinion.

No SH!T, that's why I responded to you. You said you wanted to discuss, I do. I do not appreciate you tearing it apart and saying that what I say doesnt matter because I am not the intended audience and all I say is opinion and not fact. The point of discussion is that we have opinions. Just because you dont agree with an opinion, especially when it is not stated to be anything else than that, doesnt mean you have to tear it all apart. Then what`s the point.

You wanted to know why people dont buy exclusives and there you have it.

No sir, I did not ask that question.

Just an opinion. You dont like it, then there is no use arguing about it. It's not like I will suddenly think differently.

I think you should maybe step back a moment and relax. I wasn't attacking you in any fashion. I was addressing your points as you made them.

[chuckdawg1999]

Well I got my Jetfire today. I have to say I'm kinda impressed that in vehicle mode it can fit in an Ultra sized box. Perhaps that's something Hasbro should consider for the future.

[leakin' lubricant]

He's heeeere

[megatronus]

Nice box!

[leakin' lubricant]

Nice box!

I know, I don't usually care about packaging, but it's very nice, much more vibrant than Hasbro's.

[Burn]

As long as we also get a God Bomber as well. Even if it was sold separately I wouldn't care.

Plus we'd need the obligatory Nucleon Quest and Fire Guts repaints.

Haven't you heard? Ginrai totally already exists, brah! Botcon 2014 fo life! Seriously though. I'd be all in. Also, for serious, I do very much enjoy the con figures this year.


He's a lot nicer in hand. The mock ups make him look kind of cruddy.
http://www.botcon.com/BotCon2014/BC14exclusives.html
Forgot about his gallery to better show him off.
http://www.seibertron.com/transformers- ... ai/3365/1/

I don't acknowledge club exclusives. They're over-priced and over-hyped.

I can't tell you that your opinion is wrong but... wait. Yes, I can. Your opinion is wrong.
They're certainly not cheap though. I dunno, there's very few club figures I'm not pleased with. The pricing is hardly any more or less absurd than third parties either. I buy those too. Do you buy those? Not picking a fight, I'm making conversation.

Nope, don't buy 3P either.

I spent the first five years with the club to get that combiner crap. We were promised an incredibly unique figure. We didn't get that.

Not to mention the difficulties foreign members had to go through each year to renew membership because they couldn't set up a modern (AND SECURE!) credit card processing service.

That was enough to put me off, but their fiction ... ugh ... it just became glorified fanwank material.

That's my opinion, it's right to me, you want to call it wrong? Go right ahead, it won't change my outlook.

[SW's SilverHammer]

As long as we also get a God Bomber as well. Even if it was sold separately I wouldn't care.

Plus we'd need the obligatory Nucleon Quest and Fire Guts repaints.

Haven't you heard? Ginrai totally already exists, brah! Botcon 2014 fo life! Seriously though. I'd be all in. Also, for serious, I do very much enjoy the con figures this year.


He's a lot nicer in hand. The mock ups make him look kind of cruddy.
http://www.botcon.com/BotCon2014/BC14exclusives.html
Forgot about his gallery to better show him off.
http://www.seibertron.com/transformers- ... ai/3365/1/

I don't acknowledge club exclusives. They're over-priced and over-hyped.

I can't tell you that your opinion is wrong but... wait. Yes, I can. Your opinion is wrong.
They're certainly not cheap though. I dunno, there's very few club figures I'm not pleased with. The pricing is hardly any more or less absurd than third parties either. I buy those too. Do you buy those? Not picking a fight, I'm making conversation.

Nope, don't buy 3P either.

I spent the first five years with the club to get that combiner crap. We were promised an incredibly unique figure. We didn't get that.

Not to mention the difficulties foreign members had to go through each year to renew membership because they couldn't set up a modern (AND SECURE!) credit card processing service.

That was enough to put me off, but their fiction ... ugh ... it just became glorified fanwank material.

That's my opinion, it's right to me, you want to call it wrong? Go right ahead, it won't change my outlook.

Burn, I love you so much right now.

[megatronus]

Nope, don't buy 3P either.

I spent the first five years with the club to get that combiner crap. We were promised an incredibly unique figure. We didn't get that.

Not to mention the difficulties foreign members had to go through each year to renew membership because they couldn't set up a modern (AND SECURE!) credit card processing service.

That was enough to put me off, but their fiction ... ugh ... it just became glorified fanwank material.

That's my opinion, it's right to me, you want to call it wrong? Go right ahead, it won't change my outlook.

Burn, I love you so much right now.

Agree that the fiction sucks. But the toys? I love them (for the most part). But then again, I only joined the Club around the time that TFSS 1.0 started, so I'm not sure if that makes a difference.

[leakin' lubricant]

Finally got to mess with Jetfire.

Sorry for the crappy phone pics, I'll post some better one when I get chance.









Nice comic included in the instuctions too.



Havn't a clue what's going on like!

So glad I passed on the Hsbro version, the flat red looks tonnes better than the garish chrome on the Hasbro one.

[chuckdawg1999]

I'm really glad I went the Takara route with Jetfire. The instructions are a little iffy though, I hate to think they're going the Hasbro route and condensing steps to save space. I will say the inner tray was a bit odd, getting it back in package may be a trial.

[Burn]

Agree that the fiction sucks. But the toys? I love them (for the most part). But then again, I only joined the Club around the time that TFSS 1.0 started, so I'm not sure if that makes a difference.

My biggest grip with the toys is they're lacking originality. They're just rehashes of existing characters. 3H, despite all their problems, still developed original characters.

Hopefully my big box from HLJ will turn up this week and I can finally check out this Jetfire everyone's been gushing about for months.

[Sabrblade]

My biggest grip with the toys is they're lacking originality. They're just rehashes of existing characters. 3H, despite all their problems, still developed original characters.

The Club has tried doing that, but other than the Nexus Prime toys and Flamewar, none of their other original characters really grabbed anyone.

[Jelze Bunnycat]

My biggest grip with the toys is they're lacking originality. They're just rehashes of existing characters. 3H, despite all their problems, still developed original characters.

The Club has tried doing that, but other than the Nexus Prime toys and Flamewar, none of their other original characters really grabbed anyone.

2005 Ricochet, Flareup, Landshark... that's basically it when it comes to Club OC's. Which begs the question: were those of 3H more out of necessity than anything else, taking trademarks and copyrights into account?

As for the comic, it pays to know that they're meant to be silly, and that they're read right to left

[william-james88]

Question about the Takara Legends comics. What are they exactly? Some sort of promotional material for the line? And have any of them been translated? Also, they use a bunch of beast wars characters while only very few of them have been part of the Legends line. Any reason why?

[leakin' lubricant]

Question about the Takara Legends comics. What are they exactly? Some sort of promotional material for the line? And have any of them been translated? Also, they use a bunch of beast wars characters while only very few of them have been part of the Legends line. Any reason why?

Christ knows mate, the Jetfire one consists of him shooting the crap out of stuff, talking to Whirl and Prime and looking badass.

[Sabrblade]

Question about the Takara Legends comics. What are they exactly? Some sort of promotional material for the line?

They're little short stories that both advertise the toys and star reimagined versions the Beast Wars characters (and a few from Beast Machines as well) in an office comedy setting.

And have any of them been translated?

Sadly no.

Also, they use a bunch of beast wars characters while only very few of them have been part of the Legends line. Any reason why?

My guess is that it's a means to celebrate both the 30th anniversary of the brand and the upcoming 20th anniversary of Beast Wars. Since Beast Wars was such a prominent series in the brand's history, it's reasonable to use it to celebrate the anniversary.

[william-james88]

Also, they use a bunch of beast wars characters while only very few of them have been part of the Legends line. Any reason why?

My guess is that it's a means to celebrate both the 30th anniversary of the brand and the upcoming 20th anniversary of Beast Wars. Since Beast Wars was such a prominent series in the brand's history, it's reasonable to use it to celebrate the anniversary.

Thanks, that makes a bunch of sense. Here's hoping they translate them.

Also, that reminder kind of makes me sad a bit. It will be the 20th anniversary of Beast Wars and so far, nothing beast wars related has been announced for 2015. The generations line was getting so good at reimagining those toys in perfect show accuracy, I sure hope they are more. But I assume 25 will be a bigger landmark maybe (then again, 20th anniversary got us Energon which was a bunch of homages to G1).

[Sabrblade]

Here's hoping they translate them.

If anyone does, it'll be the fans. But the ones who usually translate this stuff have their hands full at the moment.

Also, that reminder kind of makes me sad a bit. It will be the 20th anniversary of Beast Wars and so far, nothing beast wars related has been announced for 2015.

Well, BW's 20th anniversary won't be until 2016.

The generations line was getting so good at reimagining those toys in perfect show accuracy, I sure hope they are more.

Well, I wouldn't quite say "perfect" show accuracy (especially not for Rhinox), but they were pretty close.