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[william-james88]

Well shoot, we're gonna get a badass Overlord

But remember, this is very very close to the MSRP of Blaster, who had nothing almost different. The prices are not related to how much effort is put into them, its just a price point. So the only differnce might just be an extra titan master.

[Sarahthecutevixen]

good seems I can get the clones at a reasonable price

[william-james88]

good seems I can get the clones at a reasonable price

I much preffer the $17.99 price tag a clone 2 pack costs in the US.

[Kurona]

good seems I can get the clones at a reasonable price

I much preffer the $17.99 price tag a clone 2 pack costs in the US.

And I much prefer the $35.99 price tag compared to the $17.99 for one clone pack... on top of $99.99 for the other clone. Perspective is everything

[william-james88]

good seems I can get the clones at a reasonable price

I much preffer the $17.99 price tag a clone 2 pack costs in the US.

And I much prefer the $35.99 price tag compared to the $17.99 for one clone pack... on top of $99.99 for the other clone. Perspective is everything

HA!

[Powered Convoy]

So, I'd like to draw everyone's attention towards the prices.

-As presumably a set of two Legends figures, we don't have a direct comparison for the Clone Bots at 36 USD; but it seems to be consistent and sensible alongside, say, Bumblebee at 20 USD.

-At 55 USD, Blitzwing is the same price as Octane and Broadside -- both of whom came with extras. We could be seeing a Titan Master vehicle or even a new Titan Master alongside him.

-Of most note is Overlord at 90 USD. As this price is nowhere near Ginrai's 130, we can finally put to rest that there won't be overly major changes -- it is higher than Sixshot's 80 and Blaster's 85 though, so make of that what you will. Probably accounts for a second and maybe third Titan Master.

As someone else mentioned, you have to compare the Japanese yen prices, not US retailer prices.

Blitzwing is the same price as Octane and Broadside, which came with an extra Headmaster (Octane) and Titan Master vehicle (Broadside).

The Clones are 3500 Yen. Which is 500 Yen less than the price of the smaller two packs Takara releases (legends scale Transformer with Headmaster - Bumblebee & Spike, Kickback & Clouder, etc). These small 2 packs are 2000 yen, so the two clones being that twice that price minus 500 yen seems about right.

Overlord is the same price as Ginrai, who had significant changes. They are both 500 yen more than the other Leaders such as Sixshot. The 500 yen increase could simply be for the addition of an extra Headmaster (see Octane's price increase).

Randy

[Emerje]

The Clones are 3500 Yen. Which is 500 Yen less than the price of the smaller two packs Takara releases (legends scale Transformer with Headmaster - Bumblebee & Spike, Kickback & Clouder, etc). These small 2 packs are 2000 yen, so the two clones being that twice that price minus 500 yen seems about right.

It's also about the same price as the Adventures box set of Rumble and Frenzy at ¥3,500. Granted, those were Scouts, but I think Takara Tomy is more interested in the price point than the contents. The Generations 2-packs were ¥3,600 which when accounting for inflation and removing the Micromasters is pretty much the same price.

Emerje

[Wolfman Jake]

The bigger question, I think, is how will Takara change up the clones compared to Hasbro's releases? What could they do, really? Will it be a situation as it is apparently with Legends Trypticon, where Takara is basically releasing the Hasbro version in their market with minimal changes?

[Kurona]

The bigger question, I think, is how will Takara change up the clones compared to Hasbro's releases? What could they do, really? Will it be a situation as it is apparently with Legends Trypticon, where Takara is basically releasing the Hasbro version in their market with minimal changes?

Likely just give them more cartoon-accurate decoes. I doubt there'd be any tooling they'd want to change; the tooling right now is about as accurate as could be.

[Wolfman Jake]

The bigger question, I think, is how will Takara change up the clones compared to Hasbro's releases? What could they do, really? Will it be a situation as it is apparently with Legends Trypticon, where Takara is basically releasing the Hasbro version in their market with minimal changes?

Likely just give them more cartoon-accurate decoes. I doubt there'd be any tooling they'd want to change; the tooling right now is about as accurate as could be.

I just checked the cartoon representations of the clones. Hasbro's Fastlane and Cloudraker look pretty much on point with their G1 cartoon selves. As for Pounce and Wingspan, though, they could use some work, particular with their faces. I'm sure Takara will want to actually paint them, lol.

[Insurgent]

Remember, these will be based on their appearance in the Headmasters series space pirate ship episode (I think Pounce and Wingspan only appeared once again in the final episode, I don't remember the Autobot clones appearing again).Which means they will still have white faces.

[Relic0037]

Looking forward to what will do with Overlord considering the offering looks pretty good. I'm hoping for Mega & Giga as some form of Power(god)masters & either a third Titan Master sized figure for the head or just a regular head without the headmaster gimmick. We shall see...

[william-james88]

The bigger question, I think, is how will Takara change up the clones compared to Hasbro's releases? What could they do, really? Will it be a situation as it is apparently with Legends Trypticon, where Takara is basically releasing the Hasbro version in their market with minimal changes?

If both releases are the same then why would we call one the Hasbro version?

[Relic0037]

Looks like Big Bad Toystore is already taking Preorders on the new legends figures:

http://www.bigbadtoystore.com/Search?Hi ... m_content=

They list the release date as Jan 2018.

They are also taking preorders on MP-40 due out next February:

http://www.bigbadtoystore.com/Product/V ... ails/57562

[Insurgent]

The bigger question, I think, is how will Takara change up the clones compared to Hasbro's releases? What could they do, really? Will it be a situation as it is apparently with Legends Trypticon, where Takara is basically releasing the Hasbro version in their market with minimal changes?

If both releases are the same then why would we call one the Hasbro version?

Because one is from Hasbro, one is from Takara. There will be no difference to the figures, just the boxes and paperwork, but they will still be from different companies.

[Sabrblade]

The bigger question, I think, is how will Takara change up the clones compared to Hasbro's releases? What could they do, really? Will it be a situation as it is apparently with Legends Trypticon, where Takara is basically releasing the Hasbro version in their market with minimal changes?

Likely just give them more cartoon-accurate decoes. I doubt there'd be any tooling they'd want to change; the tooling right now is about as accurate as could be.

I just checked the cartoon representations of the clones. Hasbro's Fastlane and Cloudraker look pretty much on point with their G1 cartoon selves.

Which cartoon did you look at?



OR



Cuz, Takara would go with the first one above.

[ausbot]

I hope Overlord comes with a G1 inspired gun.

[Wolfman Jake]

The bigger question, I think, is how will Takara change up the clones compared to Hasbro's releases? What could they do, really? Will it be a situation as it is apparently with Legends Trypticon, where Takara is basically releasing the Hasbro version in their market with minimal changes?

Likely just give them more cartoon-accurate decoes. I doubt there'd be any tooling they'd want to change; the tooling right now is about as accurate as could be.

I just checked the cartoon representations of the clones. Hasbro's Fastlane and Cloudraker look pretty much on point with their G1 cartoon selves.

Which cartoon did you look at?



OR



Cuz, Takara would go with the first one above.

Yikes. Option 2, please!

So, to summarize, Hasbro released the Generations Autobot clones with white faces, which match their animation counterparts from G1, but the original toys from G1 had red faces, which were retained for the Headmasters cartoon back in the day. However, Hasbro has released the Generations Decepticon clones with white faces too, matching their original toys from G1 and NOT the cartoon. That's not surprising for Hasbro, given that they tend to skew more towards the toys than the cartoons as the "authority" on a character's look and paint apps. However, this is add odds with what they did for the Autobot clones. If Takara does red faces for their Autobot clones, would they dare to make yellow faces for their Decepticon clones? It wouldn't match the Headmasters cartoon OR the original toys, but their appearance from "The Rebirth." This would though give collectors a chance to mix and match to get a complete set of four that's either more "The Rebirth" accurate or "The Headmasters"/G1 toy accurate. Takara has done some wacky things we wouldn't expect before with deco choices, if only in the name of doing it differently the Hasbro has done it, even if it means sacrificing cartoon accuracy.

[Albatross250]

I hope Overlord comes with a G1 inspired gun.

As well as a Neat Base Mode

might get some Additions with Overlord i hope, Missiles, Radar Dishes, Turrets and Repair Docks, as well as 2 Tankettes for him .

[Sabrblade]

Takara... sacrificing cartoon accuracy.

DOES NOT COMPUTE! DOES NOT COMPUTE!

[Wolfman Jake]

Takara... sacrificing cartoon accuracy.

DOES NOT COMPUTE! DOES NOT COMPUTE!

It's strange, but true! Sometimes Takara throws us a loop and gives us something decidedly "off model." I think they throw a couple of those in every once in a while just to make sure we're paying attention.

[Sarahthecutevixen]

Like the colors on Unite warriors Blast-off?

[Kurona]

I wish UW Blast Off's colours were toy-accurate...

[william-james88]

I wish UW Blast Off's colours were toy-accurate...

UW Bruticus was the only combiner I was really split on with which version to buy. Toy accurate colours on UW Blast off would have sealed the deal for me. As it turns out, Hasbro's toy accurate deco on their blast off ends up being its redeeming factor (wrong mold but gorgeous colours!)

[Sabrblade]

UW Blast Off's orange seems to be a similar issue with Takara's using pastel colors for Galvatron. Some at Takara really needs to adjust the color settings on their monitor.