The Energon Pub

[william-james88]

I totally understand your dilemma. I think what sways me towards Takara on this is the little details. The painted kneecaps, wingtips on the shoulders, etc. Superion's combined form is a hands down winner to Takara for me, but if you take Silverbolt alone, it's just the little bits that push him over, as I agree that Hasbro's is closer on that one.

Thanks man, and yes, that is exactly my dilemma. Takara Superion is no question he better one. BUT I really preffer Hasbro's Silverbolt. And though the painted wingtips are nice from takara, he lack of paint matches with the G1 toy. Oh, first world problems.

[Ultra Markus]

maybe alpha bravo was meant to be vortex

[Stryfe Convoy]

Do you have to buy this as a set? Why not buy the Hasbro versions of the others, then buy Slingshot separately? Would it be more expensive or less expensive that way? Questions...

I know bigbadtoystore is selling them for $130 as a set. I'm just not sure what the individual prices are, and I apologize if I missed them earlier in the thread.

Either way, that would be petty cool to have all 5 Aerialbots, instead of 4 Aerialbots and a helicopter....

[william-james88]

Do you have to buy this as a set? Why not buy the Hasbro versions of the others, then buy Slingshot separately? Would it be more expensive or less expensive that way? Questions...

I know bigbadtoystore is selling them for $130 as a set. I'm just not sure what the individual prices are, and I apologize if I missed them earlier in the thread.

Either way, that would be petty cool to have all 5 Aerialbots, instead of 4 Aerialbots and a helicopter....

They are only sold as a set so there are no individual prices. But thats not an issue since a TRU listing states that Hasbro will also release a Slingshot seperately. There is no issue in that sense then. The only issue is which version of superion to get if you are only getting one. It's about the deco in this case.

[Desslok2201]

I totally understand your dilemma. I think what sways me towards Takara on this is the little details. The painted kneecaps, wingtips on the shoulders, etc. Superion's combined form is a hands down winner to Takara for me, but if you take Silverbolt alone, it's just the little bits that push him over, as I agree that Hasbro's is closer on that one.

Thanks man, and yes, that is exactly my dilemma. Takara Superion is no question he better one. BUT I really preffer Hasbro's Silverbolt. And though the painted wingtips are nice from takara, he lack of paint matches with the G1 toy. Oh, first world problems.

While hasbro's deco on Silverbolt is closer to G1, Silverbolt's section of Superion is not. Those wonky bits of red going down the sides were totally covered by the large white chest shield in G1, Takara's nicely duplicates that. So I guess it becomes a matter of how you'll display him. If you want Silverbolt, Hasbro, Superion, Takara.

[Rated X]

I never understood why people would want a cartoon accurate mold/sculpt in vintage toy accurate colors. It boggles the mind.

This takara version rocks ! I might just skip the hasbro version altogether since the only ones ive found is alpha bravo and drag strip. But june is a hell of a long wait. I can see my self double dipping just out of bordom waiting for takara.

[Sabrblade]

I never understood why people would want a cartoon accurate mold/sculpt in vintage toy accurate colors. It boggles the mind.

Some people who grew up on G1 toys didn't grow up watching the cartoon.

If, say, you had lived in the UK instead of Miami back in the 1980s, you would not have grown up watching the Transformers cartoon because it didn't air there. The UK got the toys and the comics (even creating a ton of UK-original comics the U.S. didn't get back then) and the 1986 movie, but the cartoon barely ever aired over there, airing only a scant few episodes of season 1 before just disappearing from UK television completely. UK fans in the 1980s had only the toys and the comics to get their fill of the Transformers, and since the comics largely drew from the decos of the toys themselves moreso than the cartoon did, people developed a certain fondness for the look and colors of the toys over what they characters looked like in the cartoon (cuz they weren't watching it since it wasn't on).

Some kids in other markets had ONLY the toys and NO cartoon or comics, having to play with the toys by making up their own stories with them, and making their attachment to the toys' looks even more justified.

Not everyone allowed the cartoon to dictate how they feel a character should look. Some simply preferred how the toys looked over their cartoon looks, and some didn't even get to watch the cartoon to really make a choice and just defaulted to the toys' looks anyway.

[Desslok2201]

And for those of us who had both, sometimes choosing between the two is a tough call to make

[SkyWarpt]

Not big on the yellow toon accurate or not.

[noctorro]

I'll end up foregoing future Hasbro combiner limb releases and donate my Hasbro version with Dragstrip arm to St. Jude at the hospital I work at. The kids cannot get enough Transformers...especially when they are going through something out of their control. Bringing a smile to their faces in worth more than anything.

Puts things in perspective a bit.

This just gave me a great idea.

Good post sir.

Ontopic:
I think Hasbro will also release Slingshot at some point.
I already have wave 1 so I won't get the Takara one. I like Alpha Bravo, he's
different enough to have an extra limb. Something like Slingshot dissapeared in
a battle and they needed a new member. Later the dude returned from whatever and
then there were 6 team members.

[ZeroWolf]

I never understood why people would want a cartoon accurate mold/sculpt in vintage toy accurate colors. It boggles the mind.

Some people who grew up on G1 toys didn't grow up watching the cartoon.

If, say, you had lived in the UK instead of Miami back in the 1980s, you would not have grown up watching the Transformers cartoon because it didn't air there. The UK got the toys and the comics (even creating a ton of UK-original comics the U.S. didn't get back then) and the 1986 movie, but the cartoon barely ever aired over there, airing only a scant few episodes of season 1 before just disappearing from UK television completely. UK fans in the 1980s had only the toys and the comics to get their fill of the Transformers, and since the comics largely drew from the decos of the toys themselves moreso than the cartoon did, people developed a certain fondness for the look and colors of the toys over what they characters looked like in the cartoon (cuz they weren't watching it since it wasn't on).

Some kids in other markets had ONLY the toys and NO cartoon or comics, having to play with the toys by making up their own stories with them, and making their attachment to the toys' looks even more justified.

Not everyone allowed the cartoon to dictate how they feel a character should look. Some simply preferred how the toys looked over their cartoon looks, and some didn't even get to watch the cartoon to really make a choice and just defaulted to the toys' looks anyway.

Actually the videos of the cartoon were easily accessible and the key to vector sigma and a lot of the following episodes were aired as I watched them growing up from videos taped off tv. We even got season 3 on tape. don't quote me on this but the wide awake club programming block may have shown it all.

[william-james88]

I never understood why people would want a cartoon accurate mold/sculpt in vintage toy accurate colors. It boggles the mind.

Some people who grew up on G1 toys didn't grow up watching the cartoon.

If, say, you had lived in the UK instead of Miami back in the 1980s, you would not have grown up watching the Transformers cartoon because it didn't air there. The UK got the toys and the comics (even creating a ton of UK-original comics the U.S. didn't get back then) and the 1986 movie, but the cartoon barely ever aired over there, airing only a scant few episodes of season 1 before just disappearing from UK television completely. UK fans in the 1980s had only the toys and the comics to get their fill of the Transformers, and since the comics largely drew from the decos of the toys themselves moreso than the cartoon did, people developed a certain fondness for the look and colors of the toys over what they characters looked like in the cartoon (cuz they weren't watching it since it wasn't on).

Some kids in other markets had ONLY the toys and NO cartoon or comics, having to play with the toys by making up their own stories with them, and making their attachment to the toys' looks even more justified.

Not everyone allowed the cartoon to dictate how they feel a character should look. Some simply preferred how the toys looked over their cartoon looks, and some didn't even get to watch the cartoon to really make a choice and just defaulted to the toys' looks anyway.

Actually the videos of the cartoon were easily accessible and the key to vector sigma and a lot of the following episodes were aired as I watched them growing up from videos taped off tv. We even got season 3 on tape. don't quote me on this but the wide awake club programming block may have shown it all.

In my case though, I was born after the G1 show so I never watched it. But I did get to play with the toys and own some, hence my attachement to the toys rather than the show character.

[grimdragon2001]

In all reality there is nothing "wrong" with Hasbro's take on Superion. The Arielbots all look great and all we are missing is Slingshot, and it seems Hasbro may have us covered in that respect later down the line. It's really just a matter of personal aesthetic preferences

[Optimum Supreme]

Some kids in other markets had ONLY the toys and NO cartoon or comics, having to play with the toys by making up their own stories with them, and making their attachment to the toys' looks even more justified.

Somewhere they even got weird comics where Optimus was replaced by Jetfire. I wonder if those people are nostalgic for that.

[Sabrblade]

Actually the videos of the cartoon were easily accessible and the key to vector sigma and a lot of the following episodes were aired as I watched them growing up from videos taped off tv. We even got season 3 on tape. don't quote me on this but the wide awake club programming block may have shown it all.

That so? Well then, as I was going by things that Simon Furman and James Roberts had recalled from the 80's, I guess there were some small details that they weren't fully aware of.

Some kids in other markets had ONLY the toys and NO cartoon or comics, having to play with the toys by making up their own stories with them, and making their attachment to the toys' looks even more justified.

Somewhere they even got weird comics where Optimus was replaced by Jetfire. I wonder if those people are nostalgic for that.

Twas but one single catalog mini-comic (in which Shockwave was also replaced by Soundwave in the former's prehistoric fight against the Dinobots), but I wouldn't be surprised if some held nostalgia to it.

[Desslok2201]

Actually the videos of the cartoon were easily accessible and the key to vector sigma and a lot of the following episodes were aired as I watched them growing up from videos taped off tv. We even got season 3 on tape. don't quote me on this but the wide awake club programming block may have shown it all.

That so? Well then, as I was going by things that Simon Furman and James Roberts had recalled from the 80's, I guess there were some small details that they weren't fully aware of.

Some kids in other markets had ONLY the toys and NO cartoon or comics, having to play with the toys by making up their own stories with them, and making their attachment to the toys' looks even more justified.

Somewhere they even got weird comics where Optimus was replaced by Jetfire. I wonder if those people are nostalgic for that.

Twas but one single catalog mini-comic (in which Shockwave was also replaced by Soundwave in the former's prehistoric fight against the Dinobots), but I wouldn't be surprised if some held nostalgia to it.

Weren't those mini comics in the Milton Bradley releases?

[Sabrblade]

Weren't those mini comics in the Milton Bradley releases?

It was from Milton Bradley in European markets, yes.

[ZeroWolf]

Wasn't there an issue with prime that made it necessary to change him out of the story on the Milton Bradley releases?

[Jelze Bunnycat]

Wasn't there an issue with prime that made it necessary to change him out of the story on the Milton Bradley releases?

It was more of a licensing issue in the Benelux area: at the time, Joustra was still releasing their own version of Diaclone (which included Microman molds), and Optimus Prime was one of them. MB was unable to release him as long as Joustra still had the rights straight from Takara.

[Mr_Autobot411]

pre-orderd and pumped to get this guy

the white hands make it looks sleek and uniformed......what a diff paint makes.

[primeghost_2]

I love the Slingshot and hope that it comes out here in the states can't wait. The helicopter Alpha Bravo should have been held back for the Protectobots or Combaticons series if that happens just change the head for Blades.

[ZeroWolf]

alpha Bravo probs is going to get a head change for blades though takara are stuck for groove as he's only a legends with Rook taking his place.

[SkyWarpsGhost]

I never understood why people would want a cartoon accurate mold/sculpt in vintage toy accurate colors. It boggles the mind.

Some people who grew up on G1 toys didn't grow up watching the cartoon.

If, say, you had lived in the UK instead of Miami back in the 1980s, you would not have grown up watching the Transformers cartoon because it didn't air there. The UK got the toys and the comics (even creating a ton of UK-original comics the U.S. didn't get back then) and the 1986 movie, but the cartoon barely ever aired over there, airing only a scant few episodes of season 1 before just disappearing from UK television completely. UK fans in the 1980s had only the toys and the comics to get their fill of the Transformers, and since the comics largely drew from the decos of the toys themselves moreso than the cartoon did, people developed a certain fondness for the look and colors of the toys over what they characters looked like in the cartoon (cuz they weren't watching it since it wasn't on).

Some kids in other markets had ONLY the toys and NO cartoon or comics, having to play with the toys by making up their own stories with them, and making their attachment to the toys' looks even more justified.

Not everyone allowed the cartoon to dictate how they feel a character should look. Some simply preferred how the toys looked over their cartoon looks, and some didn't even get to watch the cartoon to really make a choice and just defaulted to the toys' looks anyway.

Actually the videos of the cartoon were easily accessible and the key to vector sigma and a lot of the following episodes were aired as I watched them growing up from videos taped off tv. We even got season 3 on tape. don't quote me on this but the wide awake club programming block may have shown it all.

I remember it being on every morning on ITV, either before or part of TV:AM.

[Jelze Bunnycat]

alpha Bravo probs is going to get a head change for blades though takara are stuck for groove as he's only a legends with Rook taking his place.

Not only that, if they have to include Legends Menasor would pose a problem. Blackjack was never released as is in Japan, instead he was redecoed in black and yellow into the Cybertron (Autobot) Micromaster Blackheat. I guess TakaraTomy will either keep his US identity or turn him into a drone.

[Sabrblade]

alpha Bravo probs is going to get a head change for blades though takara are stuck for groove as he's only a legends with Rook taking his place.

Not only that, if they have to include Legends Menasor would pose a problem. Blackjack was never released as is in Japan, instead he was redecoed in black and yellow into the Cybertron (Autobot) Micromaster Blackheat. I guess TakaraTomy will either keep his US identity or turn him into a drone.

Or release him as Runabout.