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[william-james88]

...and maybe a faithful-to-scale Titan class Astrotrain to go with the smaller figures.

That would be way bigger than Titan Class since that would have to fit Titan Class Devastator:

[Hellscream9999]

...and maybe a faithful-to-scale Titan class Astrotrain to go with the smaller figures.

That would be way bigger than Titan Class since that would have to fit Titan Class Devastator:

Pretty much sums up every problem with scale and accuracy in replicating anything G1

[Ultra Markus]

They should've used Brawn for the Offroad redeco. He changes into a truck too, and already has the kibble behind his head. Plus no really distinctive chest details to get ruinud by the combiner peg (unlike Ironhide and his windshield chest) It also would've given us a classics Brawn that's bigger than a legends

actually Huffer would be better since hes orange like the energon component

[Hellscream9999]

They should've used Brawn for the Offroad redeco. He changes into a truck too, and already has the kibble behind his head. Plus no really distinctive chest details to get ruinud by the combiner peg (unlike Ironhide and his windshield chest) It also would've given us a classics Brawn that's bigger than a legends

actually Huffer would be better since hes orange like the energon component

Or we could've gotten new, original characters and gotten that much more creative with this whole lazy ordeal

[-Kanrabat-]

...and maybe a faithful-to-scale Titan class Astrotrain to go with the smaller figures.

I don't agree here. Because Astrotrain was NEVER giant in robot mode, thanks to cartoo-mass-shifting logics.

What I would see is a Astrotrain playset. Cyberverse/legend scale, kinda like the DOTM Ark. It could even have a simple transformation from space shuttle to train engine, but no bot mode. Instead, it would split open as a "base" with lots of knickknacks so the little scouts and legions could interect in. As for how big the thing would be, G1 Devastator could stand tall inside a closed Astrotrain without problems.

Hey, it WOULD be a titant figure. Unfortunately, based on the poor sales of DOTM Ark, it will never be made...

[Stuartmaximus]

Ok.....how about a Titan Class Jetfire? or Sky Lynx?(yes I know we're already getting a CW one).

[fenrir72]

...and maybe a faithful-to-scale Titan class Astrotrain to go with the smaller figures.

I don't agree here. Because Astrotrain was NEVER giant in robot mode, thanks to cartoo-mass-shifting logics.

What I would see is a Astrotrain playset. Cyberverse/legend scale, kinda like the DOTM Ark. It could even have a simple transformation from space shuttle to train engine, but no bot mode. Instead, it would split open as a "base" with lots of knickknacks so the little scouts and legions could interect in. As for how big the thing would be, G1 Devastator could stand tall inside a closed Astrotrain without problems.

Hey, it WOULD be a titant figure. Unfortunately, based on the poor sales of DOTM Ark, it will never be made...

That piece o' sh#t Ark? Got mine for 75% off But, a new Astrotrain? Maybe leader class like Jetfire would do.

[D-Maximal_Primal]

Ok.....how about a Titan Class Jetfire? or Sky Lynx?(yes I know we're already getting a CW one).

We already got a good Leader Jetfire.

[william-james88]

Ok.....how about a Titan Class Jetfire? or Sky Lynx?(yes I know we're already getting a CW one).

We already got a good Leader Jetfire.

Agreed and I will champion him till the day I die.

By the way, am I the only one worried that this trend means the odds of Bruticus being a Taktommall exclusive are really high? I know it means we can still get the china release but I like having my options and it becomes a bigger hassel when you are outside the states and cant import directly from Japan.

[DedicatedGhostArt]

...and maybe a faithful-to-scale Titan class Astrotrain to go with the smaller figures.

That would be way bigger than Titan Class since that would have to fit Titan Class Devastator:

I probably should have clarified that I was mainly talking about legends figures. Anyone remember Metroplex and his legends figures?

...and maybe a faithful-to-scale Titan class Astrotrain to go with the smaller figures.

I don't agree here. Because Astrotrain was NEVER giant in robot mode, thanks to cartoo-mass-shifting logics.

What I would see is a Astrotrain playset. Cyberverse/legend scale, kinda like the DOTM Ark. It could even have a simple transformation from space shuttle to train engine, but no bot mode. Instead, it would split open as a "base" with lots of knickknacks so the little scouts and legions could interect in. As for how big the thing would be, G1 Devastator could stand tall inside a closed Astrotrain without problems.

Hey, it WOULD be a titant figure. Unfortunately, based on the poor sales of DOTM Ark, it will never be made...

That piece o' sh#t Ark? Got mine for 75% off But, a new Astrotrain? Maybe leader class like Jetfire would do.

Yeah I'd rather have a Leader Astrotrain anyways. It was just a little thought.

[hinomars19]

I had no problem painting on mine

http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Unpaintable_plastic
"Yes, you can probably get commercially available hobbyist paints to stick to this plastic. You are not a multi-million dollar toy corporation and you are beholden to different budget constraints, not to mention your alterations do not have to hold up to the same testing and durability standards their mass-retail toys do. This fundamental disconnect is pretty much the entire driving force behind customizing."
: P

That's incredibly interesting! Thanks for that

[fenrir72]

Ok.....how about a Titan Class Jetfire? or Sky Lynx?(yes I know we're already getting a CW one).

We already got a good Leader Jetfire.

Agreed and I will champion him till the day I die.

By the way, am I the only one worried that this trend means the odds of Bruticus being a Taktommall exclusive are really high? I know it means we can still get the china release but I like having my options and it becomes a bigger hassel when you are outside the states and cant import directly from Japan.

Because of the rumored "Blastoff" shuttle? Well, if TT does the TomyMall route, then give Vortex a Hin-D mold as well

[william-james88]

Because of the rumored "Blastoff" shuttle? Well, if TT does the TomyMall route, then give Vortex a Hin-D mold as well

Well now it looks like anything with a slight appeal could be an exclusive. MP Seekers, exclusvie! Defensor, Exclusive! This Optimus combiner, exclusive! This is all I can think about:

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[primalxconvoy]

please excuse the low quality. i did this on my galaxy Note 2.

[fenrir72]

please excuse the low quality. i did this on my galaxy Note 2.

I muuuuuuuuuuuuuch better translation.

And yes, the dead Prime is indeed Reverse Convoy from Vehicon. Which means, Scourge harvested his spark

[Sabrblade]

Why did you call him Nemesis Prime? That is not his name.

And all the Westernization in the translation. "All-Spark", "dark sheepoid", "slag", "By Primus"...

And changing the meaning of several dialogue bubbles, even creating new ones that weren't there before...

Just...

[primalxconvoy]

Thanks for the feedback. Sometimes, in order to "translate" something, a certain level of artistic licence is used, in order to acclimate something to another culture. This often happens, and the differences between the "original" and the translated version are often fairly large. For example, the Japanese edits of the western "Beast Wars" show (by mainframe), are much lighter and "kiddy friendly" (by Japanese standards) in tone.

I have always interpreted Nemesis Prime as a sort of "Randal Flag" character, who can possess almost any "bad convoy" in the multiverse. Similar, to how anyone can become a "walker" in TWD, then perhaps so too could any of the "Scourges" or "Dark Primes", etc become "Nemesis Prime". Notice, however, that this interpretation by me doesn't specifically have the character name itself but rather describe itself as a "nemesis". The ambiguousness of the terms then elicits Superion to make it "Scourge", while others called it "Nemesis".

I mean, Menasor called him " Sillly Black Optimus Recolour", but that doesn't mean that's his official name.

Also, I rather liked "dark sheepoid". I was going to use "Remind you of anyone?" as a homage to the line in the DW Beast Wars comic (when the Fuzors meet their Blendtron dopplegangers, who are also Heralds of Unicron).

PS: please excuse typos. I'm using my phone and Seibertron is extremely anti-mobile in its design (hint hint).

[primalxconvoy]

here's something I wrote a while back. it's taken from tfwiki, and a number of other sources, and mixed together by me.



Name: Nemesis Prime
Aliases: Scourge, Grand Scourge, Dark Convoy, Dark Elderdroid, Black Convoy, Guiltaur, Nova Prime.
Faction: Unicron
Motto: "Victory is born from destruction."

Bio: An unliving Herald of Unicron, Nemesis Prime was an unknown protoform, plucked from a dark nova and torturously reforged into a dark, blasphemous mockery of a Convoy. Its lifeless husk was violated with a parasitic "Dead Matrix"; itself filled with dark energon and a swarm of sparks from dead universes, culled by Unicron. Imbued with inumerable memories of the horrors and art of war, Nemesis Prime is a scourge to all life. It now skulks the corners of the multiverse, eternally waiting for ressurection by posessing vessels created by those under its dark master's influence for one purpose; to hunt and destroy matrix-bearers.

Nemesis's form and ordenance may be ever-changing, but it always wields the red "Vorpal Sabre"; a blade of dark energon that channels the eternal rage and infinite suffering of its existence. Energon-grimoirs whisper the blade can even sever a true Matrix-bearer's connection to the Allspark, while Nemesis' "Dark Matrix" enables it to travel through space-time, and is rumoured to be toxic to Primus itself. Nemesis can also forcefully merge with any combining transformer or related technology. Finally, it can also "trans-phase"; repairing itself from even lethal attacks. Only the power of a true Prime can send it back to its shattered realm.

Nemesis fights only rarely with other heralds; prefering to hurl plagues of reversed Nemesis Eldedroids, Micron, Galamech and Novaroid monstrosities at entire worlds, while praying for the consuming nothing of Unicron's victory.

[Sabrblade]

Thing is, though, this isn't like when an anime is dubbed into English (which does require more artistic license), but is instead like when an anime is subbed into English (which does not need as much artistic license and is expected to be as faithful to the original as possible while also making sense in English) since we're dealing with a text-based medium rather than a verbal medium.

A lot of those added in Westernizations I see when I read this just make me go "They would not/do not say that!" in the context of Japanese Transformers fiction. There is no wrong in keeping true to the original dialogue and intents behind it. Every Japanese TF cartoon that has been fansubbed into English thus far kept true to the onscreen spoken dialogue in their subtitle scripts, as those viewing them want to know what is being said by the characters even if it turns out to be something silly or weird. The same applies for this comic.

[primalxconvoy]

Fair points, to be sure. I suspect that my "westernisations" were a lot better than having Megatron say "dude", though. Like I've said, the Japanese adaptations for beast wars took fairly large liberties, like omitting the links to the planet actually being "Earth", etc. I think Airrazor was also a male on Japan, right? Of not, then the gender of some Transformers has changed in some adaptations. And that's what my version is; a cultural (or perhaps personal) adaptation of the original (Japanese story).

Also, my Japanese friend was sitting right next to me, helping me with the original meanings, and they didn't think I was too far from the original. Indeed, my Japanese pupils happily sing the English and Japanese versions of the " Totoro March " everyday, on the school bus, with little or no problems in the slight difference in meanings.

[Sabrblade]

Fair points, to be sure. I suspect that my "westernisations" were a lot better than having Megatron say "dude", though.

It is suspected that the "dude" oddity in the original might be an accidental carry-over from the "Solar Requiem" comic in which SG Soundwave spoke like that, and that whatever Japanese word was translated to fit SG Soundwave's slang was in turn likewise translated as "dude" here by mistake, as though the translator misinterpreted SG Soundwave's "dude" as being the normal English equivalent rather than a special case.

And it did get some laughs anyway, lol.

Like I've said, the Japanese adaptations for beast wars took fairly large liberties, like omitting the links to the planet actually being "Earth", etc. I think Airrazor was also a make, right? Of not, then the gender of some Transformers has changed in some adaptations. And that's what my version is; a cultural (or perhaps personal) adaptation of the original (Japanese story).

And like I said, dubs can get away with more changes than subs since they don't have to be as close to the original as subs/text-based translations do.

Also, my Japanese friend was sitting right next to me, helping me with the original meanings, and they didn't think I was too far from the original. Indeed, my Japanese pupils happily sing the English and Japanese versions of the " Totoro March " everyday, on the school bus, with little or no problems in the slight difference in meanings.

Good to know.

[fenrir72]

Thanks for the feedback. Sometimes, in order to "translate" something, a certain level of artistic licence is used, in order to acclimate something to another culture. This often happens, and the differences between the "original" and the translated version are often fairly large. For example, the Japanese edits of the western "Beast Wars" show (by mainframe), are much lighter and "kiddy friendly" (by Japanese standards) in tone.

I have always interpreted Nemesis Prime as a sort of "Randal Flag" character, who can possess almost any "bad convoy" in the multiverse. Similar, to how anyone can become a "walker" in TWD, then perhaps so too could any of the "Scourges" or "Dark Primes", etc become "Nemesis Prime". Notice, however, that this interpretation by me doesn't specifically have the character name itself but rather describe itself as a "nemesis". The ambiguousness of the terms then elicits Superion to make it "Scourge", while others called it "Nemesis".

I mean, Menasor called him " Sillly Black Optimus Recolour", but that doesn't mean that's his official name.

Also, I rather liked "dark sheepoid". I was going to use "Remind you of anyone?" as a homage to the line in the DW Beast Wars comic (when the Fuzors meet their Blendtron dopplegangers, who are also Heralds of Unicron).

PS: please excuse typos. I'm using my phone and Seibertron is extremely anti-mobile in its design (hint hint).

Your translation made more sense. If the original post was a literal mechanical translation, yours made it more understandable. Just like the original PR release of MP Starsaber, the translation was like wha? Until someone translated it properly into english. On a scale of 1-5, 3.99

[primalxconvoy]

Cheers!

[RAR]

I liked it - and though it's funny I don't think it was appropriate for Megatron to say 'dude' (in a non-Humor comic) format.

The ambiguity as to his name is appropriate too as the stickers they provide with the toy also suggest the same ambiguity too.

[primalxconvoy]

Yes, that's what I thought, too. "Grand Scourge" is also a "separate" entity to "Scourge" to, if I remember rightly. The whole ambiguous thing is great, for me, as all the different incarnations are separate, but are the same (for me), such as:

- avatars of Unicron (in the way there were multiple versions of the same goods in Neil Gaiman's "American Gods"). All blissfully unaware of each other, until they meet.

- Possessed by the same spark (like agent Smith does in the matrix)

- sleeper agents of Unicron; becoming THE nemesis prime when activated, or simply doing his work regardless, as it's their "nature".

- a "Randall Flag" or "Doctor Who/Master" like character, that is rebirthed in another dimension after being destroyed. They might not even have any memories of their previous existences, either (as their dead matrix contains thousands of sparks).

- any of the above/similar ideas.

This way, multiple versions of similar "scourges" can appear in the multiverse. "Younger" iterations could appear in the distant future, with much later incarnations appearing at the dawn of time (just like doctor who). This would then explain why there are so many "black convoy" repaints, too.

The only time the cycle has been broken, was when the Alternity rescued and restored the mind to "Dark Convoy" (?, thus reducing a portion of Unicron's power/the amount of "Nemesis" avatars. I suspect then, that this new dark convoy can also "agent smith" into nemesis primes, taking their forms as avatars, as Alternity agents are wont to do.