The Energon Pub

[Hellscream9999]

Meh. They still look hollow as hell. The improvements are definitely nice but they can't make up for the fact that the molds just plain and simple suck.

Aaaaaaaaaaand you can do better? Just asking, you own the Hb version to be able to make a really unbiased opinion or is it based on just analyzing the images?

I watched Bobby Skullface's review of the Hasbro version, and quite frankly that was enough to put me off buying any version of these figures. Especially considering that far better alternatives exist- and ironically enough, far more readily available in this country.

Even if there was a rampant problem with the Hasbro version falling apart (which there isn't), there's no reason to believe Takara Tomy wouldn't fix that along with everything else they've improved. Have a little faith.

Emerje

Yeah, I don't understand that point either Delta. I let my 19 month old son play with Devastator & he never falls apart. The head pops up, sometimes the crane gets pulled off, & the gun always falls out of his hand but my son has never been able to detach a limb.

Exactly, it seems to me like he was designed... like a rock

[munkimus prime]

Glad to hear the extra articulation won't effect Devy's stability. That's my only worry about the figure out the window.

[padfoo]

I love the additional articulation and the individual hand weapons.

[Blastback]

Elbows! Glorious Elbows!

And nice guns to.

[william-james88]

Alright, how about (purposely[?]) lackluster? I don't need tons of paint, but maybe pick out some vents in black and ladders in silver, maybe some hazard stripes or something, just enough to break up the absolute ocean of green... I can understand the desire to be 'show accurate' but that's not to say that there cannot be some middle ground where it isn't so plain.

The biggest problem I have with it is the same as UW defensor. It has all these molded details, and they go unnoticed because they aren't painted, because the reference material was a rushed and sloppy mess.

But to be fair, going for show accuracy would inevitably leave every figure as plain and boring as their unpainted defensor - and while that's okay to some, using it as a crutch to defend lackluster deco's is still wrong in my opinion, I dunno, I'm having trouble putting my frustration into words

I think you are doing a great job expressing your frustration, since I can understand you very well. The deco you are referring to sounds a lot like a premium deco we would get from Hasbro Asia, where ladders and gears are painted. And I can totally see how that could have improved the figure. I dont mind it though since I get where they are coming from. But yes, wanting to be G1 accurate can lead to a lackluster deco, at least to some. Like Seibertron (the site owner) himself says, there is a such a ting as being too cartoon accurate. Everyone has their threshold and I guess you found yours

[Cobotron]

Alright, how about (purposely[?]) lackluster? I don't need tons of paint, but maybe pick out some vents in black and ladders in silver, maybe some hazard stripes or something, just enough to break up the absolute ocean of green... I can understand the desire to be 'show accurate' but that's not to say that there cannot be some middle ground where it isn't so plain.

The biggest problem I have with it is the same as UW defensor. It has all these molded details, and they go unnoticed because they aren't painted, because the reference material was a rushed and sloppy mess.

But to be fair, going for show accuracy would inevitably leave every figure as plain and boring as their unpainted defensor - and while that's okay to some, using it as a crutch to defend lackluster deco's is still wrong in my opinion, I dunno, I'm having trouble putting my frustration into words

I think you are doing a great job expressing your frustration, since I can understand you very well. The deco you are referring to sounds a lot like a premium deco we would get from Hasbro Asia, where ladders and gears are painted. And I can totally see how that could have improved the figure. I dont mind it though since I get where they are coming from. But yes, wanting to be G1 accurate can lead to a lackluster deco, at least to some. Like Seibertron (the site owner) himself says, there is a such a ting as being too cartoon accurate. Everyone has their threshold and I guess you found yours

Hey! Remember, there IS a Hasbro Asia premium deco coming. It has all that sweet battle damage, or work site soot, or both!

[DedicatedGhostArt]

These images make this set look just that much more badass. UW is MINE!!!

[fenrir72]

Meh. They still look hollow as hell. The improvements are definitely nice but they can't make up for the fact that the molds just plain and simple suck.

Aaaaaaaaaaand you can do better? Just asking, you own the Hb version to be able to make a really unbiased opinion or is it based on just analyzing the images?

I watched Bobby Skullface's review of the Hasbro version, and quite frankly that was enough to put me off buying any version of these figures. Especially considering that far better alternatives exist- and ironically enough, far more readily available in this country.

The reviewer too could be also biased against the mold. Just saying.......

As you are entitled to your opinion, I'll put this forward:

I too detest hollow parts, It is quite distracting. And a way for the company to lessen the plastic content. Ugh! MP Lambor too had very overt hollow parts but it was ingeniusly covered by that "panel"

So yup, Devs will have them hollow parts and not gonna be defending it but to call the mold plain suckage? Is it that that too much? Kind of a put down on the efforts of the design team and given the parameters the TT engineers have to work with as compared to the 3rd party efforts.

[Hellscream9999]

Alright, how about (purposely[?]) lackluster? I don't need tons of paint, but maybe pick out some vents in black and ladders in silver, maybe some hazard stripes or something, just enough to break up the absolute ocean of green... I can understand the desire to be 'show accurate' but that's not to say that there cannot be some middle ground where it isn't so plain.

The biggest problem I have with it is the same as UW defensor. It has all these molded details, and they go unnoticed because they aren't painted, because the reference material was a rushed and sloppy mess.

But to be fair, going for show accuracy would inevitably leave every figure as plain and boring as their unpainted defensor - and while that's okay to some, using it as a crutch to defend lackluster deco's is still wrong in my opinion, I dunno, I'm having trouble putting my frustration into words

I think you are doing a great job expressing your frustration, since I can understand you very well. The deco you are referring to sounds a lot like a premium deco we would get from Hasbro Asia, where ladders and gears are painted. And I can totally see how that could have improved the figure. I dont mind it though since I get where they are coming from. But yes, wanting to be G1 accurate can lead to a lackluster deco, at least to some. Like Seibertron (the site owner) himself says, there is a such a ting as being too cartoon accurate. Everyone has their threshold and I guess you found yours

Well not that exactly if it would then fall under a 'premium' deco heading, I was merely throwing out idea's that would preserve the 'G1-ness' of the combined mode while adding more visual flair. Just something - anything - to break up the monotonous color scheme; but yeah, you get the idea

[fenrir72]

Alright, how about (purposely[?]) lackluster? I don't need tons of paint, but maybe pick out some vents in black and ladders in silver, maybe some hazard stripes or something, just enough to break up the absolute ocean of green... I can understand the desire to be 'show accurate' but that's not to say that there cannot be some middle ground where it isn't so plain.

The biggest problem I have with it is the same as UW defensor. It has all these molded details, and they go unnoticed because they aren't painted, because the reference material was a rushed and sloppy mess.

But to be fair, going for show accuracy would inevitably leave every figure as plain and boring as their unpainted defensor - and while that's okay to some, using it as a crutch to defend lackluster deco's is still wrong in my opinion, I dunno, I'm having trouble putting my frustration into words

I think you are doing a great job expressing your frustration, since I can understand you very well. The deco you are referring to sounds a lot like a premium deco we would get from Hasbro Asia, where ladders and gears are painted. And I can totally see how that could have improved the figure. I dont mind it though since I get where they are coming from. But yes, wanting to be G1 accurate can lead to a lackluster deco, at least to some. Like Seibertron (the site owner) himself says, there is a such a ting as being too cartoon accurate. Everyone has their threshold and I guess you found yours

There's alway Ocean Designs detail decals.

[Hellscream9999]

Meh. They still look hollow as hell. The improvements are definitely nice but they can't make up for the fact that the molds just plain and simple suck.

Aaaaaaaaaaand you can do better? Just asking, you own the Hb version to be able to make a really unbiased opinion or is it based on just analyzing the images?

I watched Bobby Skullface's review of the Hasbro version, and quite frankly that was enough to put me off buying any version of these figures. Especially considering that far better alternatives exist- and ironically enough, far more readily available in this country.

The reviewer too could be also biased against the mold. Just saying.......

As you are entitled to your opinion, I'll put this forward:

I too detest hollow parts, It is quite distracting. And a way for the company to lessen the plastic content. Ugh! MP Lambor too had very overt hollow parts but it was ingeniusly covered by that "panel"

So yup, Devs will have them hollow parts and not gonna be defending it but to call the mold plain suckage? Is it that that too much? Kind of a put down on the efforts of the design team and given the parameters the TT engineers have to work with as compared to the 3rd party efforts.

I will put forward that the creaking my TT figures' joints do (nightbirds' ab hinge, and runabouts various hinges), that the double-jointed hinges on mixs' and hooks' shoulders might break (several reviewers have had cause to worry about them already) so this might be worse - just saying

[chuckdawg1999]

Alright, how about (purposely[?]) lackluster? I don't need tons of paint, but maybe pick out some vents in black and ladders in silver, maybe some hazard stripes or something, just enough to break up the absolute ocean of green... I can understand the desire to be 'show accurate' but that's not to say that there cannot be some middle ground where it isn't so plain.

The biggest problem I have with it is the same as UW defensor. It has all these molded details, and they go unnoticed because they aren't painted, because the reference material was a rushed and sloppy mess.

But to be fair, going for show accuracy would inevitably leave every figure as plain and boring as their unpainted defensor - and while that's okay to some, using it as a crutch to defend lackluster deco's is still wrong in my opinion, I dunno, I'm having trouble putting my frustration into words

I think you are doing a great job expressing your frustration, since I can understand you very well. The deco you are referring to sounds a lot like a premium deco we would get from Hasbro Asia, where ladders and gears are painted. And I can totally see how that could have improved the figure. I dont mind it though since I get where they are coming from. But yes, wanting to be G1 accurate can lead to a lackluster deco, at least to some. Like Seibertron (the site owner) himself says, there is a such a ting as being too cartoon accurate. Everyone has their threshold and I guess you found yours

Hey! Remember, there IS a Hasbro Asia premium deco coming. It has all that sweet battle damage, or work site soot, or both!

Wait, There's an Asia exclusive coming? This is the first I've heard of this. Are pre-orders up?

[william-james88]

Wait, There's an Asia exclusive coming? This is the first I've heard of this. Are pre-orders up?

Not really, as far as we know the battle damaged devastator seen at a toy show was a custom paint job.

[Cobotron]

Wait, There's an Asia exclusive coming? This is the first I've heard of this. Are pre-orders up?

Not really, as far as we know the battle damaged devastator seen at a toy show was a custom paint job.

My bad.

[Convoy]

Why does Scrapper have a black face and why has nobody else mentioned it? Every single other thing is cartoon accurate. Paint jobs, weapons, retractable visor, joints!
Why the toy accurate head on the leader? Do I really need to buy the Hasbro version of Scrapper to swap heads with one darn figure?

[King Kuuga]

I prefer Takara's Devastator over Hasbro's overall, so I'll be going with them for the big guy, but I do with there was a deco that was kind of in the middle of their two offerings. Going cartoon accurate for animation models that are often head-scratching interpretations of the original toys with limited color palates to ease animation is not always ideal.

[Hellscream9999]

Going cartoon accurate for animation models that are often head-scratching interpretations of the original toys with limited color palates to ease animation is not always ideal.

Exactly, painting the details on, say, Scrappers legs won't ruin the 'G1-ness' of the figure, but enhance the appreciation of the molded detail

[Sabrblade]

Why does Scrapper have a black face and why has nobody else mentioned it? Every single other thing is cartoon accurate. Paint jobs, weapons, retractable visor, joints!
Why the toy accurate head on the leader? Do I really need to buy the Hasbro version of Scrapper to swap heads with one darn figure?

It's not black. It's the same dark gray as seen on the face of Takara's Devastator. The lighting in this makes it look close to black, but it isn't.

Scrapper's face was a darker shade of gray than the others in the cartoon.

[Cyberpath]

Why does Scrapper have a black face and why has nobody else mentioned it? Every single other thing is cartoon accurate. Paint jobs, weapons, retractable visor, joints!
Why the toy accurate head on the leader? Do I really need to buy the Hasbro version of Scrapper to swap heads with one darn figure?

The face is silver. The black you see is reflections and shadows.

http://static.seibertron.com/images/toy ... 990_f3.jpg

[fenrir72]

Judging a figure over uploaded PC images. Those aren't accurate representations in real time folks.

[Nemesis Destron]

I think the real issue that remains constant over all other opinions over this epic Devastator is how much longer we gotta wait for our orders to ship!

[munkimus prime]

I think the real issue that remains constant over all other opinions over this epic Devastator is how much longer we gotta wait for our orders to ship!

Yes the very thought of my lack of having a Devastator in my life really hurts me inside.

Oh but the pay off for my patience is going to be glorious.

[chuckdawg1999]

Wait, There's an Asia exclusive coming? This is the first I've heard of this. Are pre-orders up?

Not really, as far as we know the battle damaged devastator seen at a toy show was a custom paint job.

My bad.

Actually Robot Kingdom's pre-order says it comes with coins. Perhaps there's one for each Constructicon and Devastator.

[fenrir72]

Wait, There's an Asia exclusive coming? This is the first I've heard of this. Are pre-orders up?

Not really, as far as we know the battle damaged devastator seen at a toy show was a custom paint job.

My bad.

Actually Robot Kingdom's pre-order says it comes with coins. Perhaps there's one for each Constructicon and Devastator.

That's just like 1 coin for the team. Similar to Encore 20A. Only one biocard instead of six

[chuckdawg1999]

Wait, There's an Asia exclusive coming? This is the first I've heard of this. Are pre-orders up?

Not really, as far as we know the battle damaged devastator seen at a toy show was a custom paint job.

My bad.

Actually Robot Kingdom's pre-order says it comes with coins. Perhaps there's one for each Constructicon and Devastator.

That's just like 1 coin for the team. Similar to Encore 20A. Only one biocard instead of six

Well the listing did say coins; maybe a typo, maybe not.