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Sabrblade wrote:Although, if you look closely at Takara Long Haul, you'll see a black square painted behind Long Haul's head. What purpose does this seemingly random paint app serve? To homage the black base that original toy's head was attached to, and which included in the cartoon model set behind his head:Hellscream9999 wrote:That was my first thought, that they are - once again - going with the 'lazy show accurate' color scheme, these could have been something beautiful, but now they're just really cool.Sabrblade wrote:About the only things I don't like about the looks of these guys are how Bonecrusher and Long Haul are now less colorful and less detailed than their Hasbro versions since a lot of the silver paint and other colors on them have been removed and replaced with more of the green color. I know it's show-accurate, but it makes them look less exciting and more solidly a single (unflattering) color than these:
And just for fun, here's some comparisons with the others who look about as good as or better than their Hasbro versions:
william-james88 wrote:If ever Sabrblade decides to go on vacation, I am glad to know we can rely on you.
Hellscream9999 wrote:Delta Magnus wrote:fenrir72 wrote:Delta Magnus wrote:Meh. They still look hollow as hell. The improvements are definitely nice but they can't make up for the fact that the molds just plain and simple suck.
Aaaaaaaaaaand you can do better? Just asking, you own the Hb version to be able to make a really unbiased opinion or is it based on just analyzing the images?
I watched Bobby Skullface's review of the Hasbro version, and quite frankly that was enough to put me off buying any version of these figures. Especially considering that far better alternatives exist- and ironically enough, far more readily available in this country.
Well 'better' is extremely subjective here. Dunno what you look for in a figure, if it's solidity, yeah, there are a ton of immobile, overpriced, 3p lumps out there
Z3ROhour wrote:Frak, frak, frakity, frak!
I just got the friggin Hasbros version!
The articulation iso friggin awesome on the Takara bot.
Y!?
I hate that carp!
FRAK!
william-james88 wrote:If ever Sabrblade decides to go on vacation, I am glad to know we can rely on you.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Delta Magnus wrote:Hellscream9999 wrote:Delta Magnus wrote:fenrir72 wrote:Delta Magnus wrote:Meh. They still look hollow as hell. The improvements are definitely nice but they can't make up for the fact that the molds just plain and simple suck.
Aaaaaaaaaaand you can do better? Just asking, you own the Hb version to be able to make a really unbiased opinion or is it based on just analyzing the images?
I watched Bobby Skullface's review of the Hasbro version, and quite frankly that was enough to put me off buying any version of these figures. Especially considering that far better alternatives exist- and ironically enough, far more readily available in this country.
Well 'better' is extremely subjective here. Dunno what you look for in a figure, if it's solidity, yeah, there are a ton of immobile, overpriced, 3p lumps out there
Let's analyse this.
>Immboile:
Hercules is somewhat difficult to pose by modern standards, it's true, but he isn't actually missing any key pieces of articulation (such as, say, elbows) in any mode. And Giant is highly poseable, and incredibly stable. Personally from an aesthetic standpoint I prefer Hercules, but they're both good figure sets. They're also far, far less hollow and flimsy than CW Devastator. Obviously I can't comment on the as-yet unreleased Generation Toy and ToyWorld versions but they both look to be shaping up well. Plus, CW Devastator is hardly super poseable- sure he has a lot of joints, but he falls apart at the drop of a hat.
>Overpriced:
You get what you pay for. Giant and Hercules are well-engineered, solid, decent looking combiners. CW Devastator is poorly engineered, flimsy and hollow, misproportioned and barely a combiner given how many compromises were made to the individual robots.
>Lumps:
Funny, because if there's one word I'd use to describe CW Devastator, it's lumpy.
william-james88 wrote:If ever Sabrblade decides to go on vacation, I am glad to know we can rely on you.
Hellscream9999 wrote:Delta Magnus wrote:Hellscream9999 wrote:Delta Magnus wrote:fenrir72 wrote:Delta Magnus wrote:Meh. They still look hollow as hell. The improvements are definitely nice but they can't make up for the fact that the molds just plain and simple suck.
Aaaaaaaaaaand you can do better? Just asking, you own the Hb version to be able to make a really unbiased opinion or is it based on just analyzing the images?
I watched Bobby Skullface's review of the Hasbro version, and quite frankly that was enough to put me off buying any version of these figures. Especially considering that far better alternatives exist- and ironically enough, far more readily available in this country.
Well 'better' is extremely subjective here. Dunno what you look for in a figure, if it's solidity, yeah, there are a ton of immobile, overpriced, 3p lumps out there
Let's analyse this.
>Immboile:
Hercules is somewhat difficult to pose by modern standards, it's true, but he isn't actually missing any key pieces of articulation (such as, say, elbows) in any mode. And Giant is highly poseable, and incredibly stable. Personally from an aesthetic standpoint I prefer Hercules, but they're both good figure sets. They're also far, far less hollow and flimsy than CW Devastator. Obviously I can't comment on the as-yet unreleased Generation Toy and ToyWorld versions but they both look to be shaping up well. Plus, CW Devastator is hardly super poseable- sure he has a lot of joints, but he falls apart at the drop of a hat.
>Overpriced:
You get what you pay for. Giant and Hercules are well-engineered, solid, decent looking combiners. CW Devastator is poorly engineered, flimsy and hollow, misproportioned and barely a combiner given how many compromises were made to the individual robots.
>Lumps:
Funny, because if there's one word I'd use to describe CW Devastator, it's lumpy.
Personally, I haven't heard of anyone's gen devs 'falling apart at the drop of a hat'.
And like it or not, the point of the figure was to be as G1 accurate as possible - what I presume 3p companies have been trying, and failing, to do - the gen devs succeeds here is spades as far as I can tell; it may not have been what you or I wanted, but it is what they set out to do and delivered.
As for being lumpy, that could describe most of the g1 characters/figures, so it's hardly surprising or an argument
Delta Magnus wrote:Hellscream9999 wrote:Personally, I haven't heard of anyone's gen devs 'falling apart at the drop of a hat'.
Watch Skullface's review. The leg connections in combined mode are utterly feeble.And like it or not, the point of the figure was to be as G1 accurate as possible - what I presume 3p companies have been trying, and failing, to do - the gen devs succeeds here is spades as far as I can tell; it may not have been what you or I wanted, but it is what they set out to do and delivered.
GEEWUN accuracy shouldn't come above making a toy actually good. And in any case, they failed at that too, what with Long Haul looking blatantly terrible and Mixmaster looking absolutely nothing like his G1 self whatsoever.As for being lumpy, that could describe most of the g1 characters/figures, so it's hardly surprising or an argument
Hey, you were the one who mentioned "lumpiness" as a problem to begin with.
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munkimus prime wrote:I'm still getting Takara's version but I'm still not sure what Scrapper's elbows will do for Devastator's stability. It is still awesome that they all got extra articulation and individual weapons though.
william-james88 wrote:If ever Sabrblade decides to go on vacation, I am glad to know we can rely on you.
D-Maximus_Prime wrote:Despite the design flaws, this is still a very good Devastator. Yes, he may be hollow, but the light weight individual bots helps the combined mode in my opinion so that it is not overly heavy, and considering kids get this stuff, that makes sense. Also, 3rd party stuff is still a very unfair comparison to anything except for masterpiece. Herc and others are $500-600 and this once is a quarter the price, yet still just as good. and the review by skull guy had him come apart, but Emgo and Optibotimus had very solid connections, so 1 reviewer should not be used in an argument as they all have different ways and there are several cases of mileage may vary.
william-james88 wrote:If ever Sabrblade decides to go on vacation, I am glad to know we can rely on you.
Hellscream9999 wrote:D-Maximus_Prime wrote:Despite the design flaws, this is still a very good Devastator. Yes, he may be hollow, but the light weight individual bots helps the combined mode in my opinion so that it is not overly heavy, and considering kids get this stuff, that makes sense. Also, 3rd party stuff is still a very unfair comparison to anything except for masterpiece. Herc and others are $500-600 and this once is a quarter the price, yet still just as good. and the review by skull guy had him come apart, but Emgo and Optibotimus had very solid connections, so 1 reviewer should not be used in an argument as they all have different ways and there are several cases of mileage may vary.
Yup, just look at me and magnus...
Sabrblade wrote:Although, if you look closely at Takara Long Haul, you'll see a black square painted behind Long Haul's head. What purpose does this seemingly random paint app serve? To homage the black base that original toy's head was attached to, and which included in the cartoon model set behind his head:
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Hellscream9999 wrote:
That was my first thought, that they are - once again - going with the 'lazy show accurate' color scheme, these could have been something beautiful, but now they're just really cool.
Sabrblade wrote:And as a reminder, here's all the known changes made to Takara Devastator compared to Hasbro's retail version:
- More show-accurate deco for both Devastator and the Constructicons
- A brand new headsculpt that contains a retractable visor to switch between both head designs
- Brand new gun weapons for each individual figure, all of which can store on Devastator's back
- Re-engineered arms for Scrapper to give him elbows
- Re-engineered arms for Long Haul to give him proper elbows
- Re-engineered arms for Hook to give him better (and double-jointed) elbows
- Re-engineered arms for Mixmaster to give him better (and double-jointed) elbows
- Re-engineered legs for Scavenger to give him better knees
- Re-engineered legs for Bonecrusher to give him better knees
Sabrblade wrote:If you look closely at Takara Long Haul, you'll see a black square painted behind Long Haul's head. What purpose does this seemingly random paint app serve? To homage the black base that original toy's head was attached to, and which included in the cartoon model set behind his head.
Z3ROhour wrote:Frak, frak, frakity, frak!
I just got the friggin Hasbros version!
The articulation iso friggin awesome on the Takara bot.
Y!?
I hate that carp!
FRAK!
Delta Magnus wrote:GEEWUN accuracy shouldn't come above making a toy actually good. And in any case, they failed at that too, what with Long Haul looking blatantly terrible and Mixmaster looking absolutely nothing like his G1 self whatsoever.
munkimus prime wrote:I'm still getting Takara's version but I'm still not sure what Scrapper's elbows will do for Devastator's stability. It is still awesome that they all got extra articulation and individual weapons though.
william-james88 wrote:Hellscream9999 wrote:
That was my first thought, that they are - once again - going with the 'lazy show accurate' color scheme, these could have been something beautiful, but now they're just really cool.Sabrblade wrote:And as a reminder, here's all the known changes made to Takara Devastator compared to Hasbro's retail version:
- More show-accurate deco for both Devastator and the Constructicons
- A brand new headsculpt that contains a retractable visor to switch between both head designs
- Brand new gun weapons for each individual figure, all of which can store on Devastator's back
- Re-engineered arms for Scrapper to give him elbows
- Re-engineered arms for Long Haul to give him proper elbows
- Re-engineered arms for Hook to give him better (and double-jointed) elbows
- Re-engineered arms for Mixmaster to give him better (and double-jointed) elbows
- Re-engineered legs for Scavenger to give him better knees
- Re-engineered legs for Bonecrusher to give him better knees
None of this sounds lazy to me. Also, you dont see it in the individual figures, but the hands are different colours, unlike Hasbro and they even coloured the missile pods. Pretty much everything they could colour to be like the G1 show was colored. There is no laziness here anywhere. And knowing that this costs the same as Hasbro at their respective retail outlets, we should instead all be wondering why Hasbro's cost so much when it has so much less.
william-james88 wrote:If ever Sabrblade decides to go on vacation, I am glad to know we can rely on you.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Hellscream9999 wrote:Hey man, I get it, I just said the color scheme is lazy though - which it is, technically, it could have had way more/better paint apps, and we all know it; that it is 'show accurate' is an excuse, as I'm sure no one would have foregone it, if it had additional paint apps.
The only answer that I can think of for the hasbro release is they wanted to drive up their profits, unless the packaging cost more, or if they had to offset the cost of it possibly taking multiple shipments to deliver them since they are quite large
Delta Magnus wrote:fenrir72 wrote:Delta Magnus wrote:Meh. They still look hollow as hell. The improvements are definitely nice but they can't make up for the fact that the molds just plain and simple suck.
Aaaaaaaaaaand you can do better? Just asking, you own the Hb version to be able to make a really unbiased opinion or is it based on just analyzing the images?
I watched Bobby Skullface's review of the Hasbro version, and quite frankly that was enough to put me off buying any version of these figures. Especially considering that far better alternatives exist- and ironically enough, far more readily available in this country.
william-james88 wrote:Hellscream9999 wrote:Hey man, I get it, I just said the color scheme is lazy though - which it is, technically, it could have had way more/better paint apps, and we all know it; that it is 'show accurate' is an excuse, as I'm sure no one would have foregone it, if it had additional paint apps.
The only answer that I can think of for the hasbro release is they wanted to drive up their profits, unless the packaging cost more, or if they had to offset the cost of it possibly taking multiple shipments to deliver them since they are quite large
I totally get your point too. But I think laziness is not the right word to use and is really not true. I understand how it may seem lazy to you, but I feel that if Takara wanted to put more paint apps, they could have. But they didnt and there is a reason for it and it is not laziness. If laziness was the case, we would have seen that carried through elsewhere on the figure which is not the case. In the end, I truly believe that there is nothing lazy about Takara's release, including the reason behind the amount of paint.
william-james88 wrote:If ever Sabrblade decides to go on vacation, I am glad to know we can rely on you.
Emerje wrote:Delta Magnus wrote:fenrir72 wrote:Delta Magnus wrote:Meh. They still look hollow as hell. The improvements are definitely nice but they can't make up for the fact that the molds just plain and simple suck.
Aaaaaaaaaaand you can do better? Just asking, you own the Hb version to be able to make a really unbiased opinion or is it based on just analyzing the images?
I watched Bobby Skullface's review of the Hasbro version, and quite frankly that was enough to put me off buying any version of these figures. Especially considering that far better alternatives exist- and ironically enough, far more readily available in this country.
Even if there was a rampant problem with the Hasbro version falling apart (which there isn't), there's no reason to believe Takara Tomy wouldn't fix that along with everything else they've improved. Have a little faith.
Emerje
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