The Energon Pub

[Rated X]

Im ok with partsforming. Younger collectors have this idea that parts integration was born to satisfy complex minds. The truth is that it was designed to accomodate dumb kids who kept loosing small parts.

Nah. It was meant to satiate lazy engineers who couldn't be bothered engineering things properly, and lazy fans who couldn't be bothered to transform figures with more than 5 moving parts.

Perhaps you'd be better off collecting Kre-O, X. Plenty of lovely partsforming for you there.

It may be laziness to you, but to others its called "fun".

No, it's laziness. Having to yank off a lump of the toy and stick it back on in no way increases the fun factor.

The best figures are the ones that you don't need instructions or a review to enjoy. I also like my combiner parts separate.

This is because you are a hamhanded idiot.

If I made a statement like this, Burn would be sending me an e-mail banning me for a week or worse. Hope you get the same...

[william-james88]

Please do not ban me for this, but I actually liked the Hasbro Blastoff better. Why waste the money?

Why waste money on plastic that will pollute the planet by never disintegrating instead of donating it to Malaria prevention in Africa?

[Rated X]

I have faith Blast Off will look a lot better than these blurry pics. Even if it isn't perfect, it's still 1000% improvement over a Slingshot dunked in dookie dye.

As expected, you are all still eating it up, even if it looks like utter trash.

It's just blurry pics and you base your decision/statement on blurry pics? How you know its trash?

But if you are already biased for a certain toyline or product, guess there's no convincing you to not snipe without basis. A pity you won't have the opportunity to enjoy the next mold.

Btw TT gets a 4 out of 5 in effort.

1. New mold for Blastoff
2. At least a bit of a retool for the rotor blades of Vortex ( wished it were a new body for the copter)plus incorporating them as a melee weapon like that in Car Robots.

Love that shuttle ! Call it trash if you want but one mans trash is another mans treasure. Enjoy your brown slingshot and keep pretending its blast off. Maybe you can use fine sandpaper to remove his nose and mouth and give him a face plate. Im gonna drop the cash and have me a real blast off.

Am I the only one who finds it amusing that the guy with PRESIDENT OBAMA (the guy who's campaign slogan was "change") as his avatar has a virulent hatred to change?

The irony is quite clear.

In all honesty, the Obama avatar was part of an inside joke from months ago. Ive been lazy to change it but thanks for reminding me.

On change, Im all for it if I agree with the logic. On Blast Off, I don't agree with the logic behind change. I support the idea of a military shuttle. Im an avid believer in Area-51 theories. Im sick of the complaints about the shuttle not being a military vehicle. I don't hear those people complaining that 2 out of 5 "Predacons" are actually herbivores and one is a scavenger.

[Evil Eye]

Im ok with partsforming. Younger collectors have this idea that parts integration was born to satisfy complex minds. The truth is that it was designed to accomodate dumb kids who kept loosing small parts.

Nah. It was meant to satiate lazy engineers who couldn't be bothered engineering things properly, and lazy fans who couldn't be bothered to transform figures with more than 5 moving parts.

Perhaps you'd be better off collecting Kre-O, X. Plenty of lovely partsforming for you there.

It may be laziness to you, but to others its called "fun".

No, it's laziness. Having to yank off a lump of the toy and stick it back on in no way increases the fun factor.

The best figures are the ones that you don't need instructions or a review to enjoy. I also like my combiner parts separate.

This is because you are a hamhanded idiot.

If I made a statement like this, Burn would be sending me an e-mail banning me for a week or worse. Hope you get the same...

Can't ban someone for stating the truth, at least, not outside of Communist China.

Im sick of the complaints about the shuttle not being a military vehicle.

But a shuttle isn't a military vehicle.

I don't hear those people complaining that 2 out of 5 "Predacons" are actually herbivores and one is a scavenger.

Well thank you for telling me that, because now the Predacons are going to be the latest victim of my REDO ALL THE THINGS campaign. BRB, emailing Hasbro to tell them to make sure that if they make a new Predaking that they need to replace Tantrum and Headstrong with some actual predators (How about a bear and a Komodo Dragon?).

Ah well, the Predacons sucked anyway. For all they got bigged up they haven't done anything of note more or less ever besides looked cool...ish. Plus their vintage toys looked hilariously bad and their only updates were an overrated and overexpensive lump, a nicely designed but horrendously floppy mess and...whatever the hell the Unique Toys version was supposed to be,.

[D-Maximal_Primal]

Gentlemen, please settle down. This will be taken care of when the proper people to do so are online. In the meantime, Cut off this crap. Don't make anything worse.

Thank you

[Cobotron]

If I made a statement like this, Burn would be sending me an e-mail banning me for a week or worse. Hope you get the same...

Can't ban someone for stating the truth, at least, not outside of Communist China.

ENOUGH!
I know you two hate each other, but could you at least try to have a civil debate like the two well educated intelligent adults I know you are?

Delta, no need to resort to 3rd grade name calling. You know this just eggs X on, and I know it's why you do it.

You two can continue to have your debate over Blast Off and partsforming, or whatever, just do it with some damn respect.

I've got a fist full of tickets to ride the warning train, and the seats are all empty.
Got it?!

[Mindmaster]

Wait, partsforming? What part of Blast Off partsform?

[Cobotron]

Wait, partsforming? What part of Blast Off partsform?

His tail fin.

[Deadput]

Now that the dramas over do you guys think that Takara is going to be doing the same thing with Sky Reign, Computron and Liokaiser?



And what other combiners do you think we will get first things first I remember there being an alternate Ratchet head for First aid and an alternate Demolishor head for Onslaught do any of you think Takara will use those versions as well as any versions we don't know of?

[Mindmaster]

Wait, partsforming? What part of Blast Off partsform?

His tail fin.

Aww, really? Don't know how I missed that.

Thanks, Cobs!

[Cobotron]

Wait, partsforming? What part of Blast Off partsform?

His tail fin.

Aww, really? Don't know how I missed that.

Thanks, Cobs!

It's actually a nice little bit of partsforming since it has a good place to go in either mode. In bot mode he can pretend to be a shark and sneak attack the rest of the team when their at the pool on their day off.

Dig the shades MM!

[Mindmaster]

Dig the shades MM!

Thanks, man! Been needing a nice pace of change... I wanted to gif-ize it, but a) I don't have the mental capacity nor the technology required to make it, and b) I'm too socially awkward to ask someone I know that I'm certain knows how to do it to help make it.

[ZeroWolf]

Now that the dramas over do you guys think that Takara is going to be doing the same thing with Sky Reign, Computron and Liokaiser?



And what other combiners do you think we will get first things first I remember there being an alternate Ratchet head for First aid and an alternate Demolishor head for Onslaught do any of you think Takara will use those versions as well as any versions we don't know of?

At this moment it's hard to guess what Takara Liokaiser will be like, if they do him at all. I can see a sky lynx release but I don't know if they'll given him a team ala grand galvatron.

[bvzxa]

All y'all complaining about Takara yet Hasbro took the lazy way out. I prefer accuracy over laziness.
Blast-Off is a space shuttle, not a nanny brown jet. More than like they'll fix Brawl and Vortex colors as well. Also since both Hasbro Defensor and Bruticus have that slight forward lean, Takara will fix that as well. If anyone has seen the comparison videos Takara Defensor actually stands up straight.

[Burn]

Am I upset that Hasbro made Blast Off a jet? No. They spun a nice tale to explain it.

Do I prefer him as a Space Shuttle? Absolutely. It's my preference, but if I was left with no other option than Hasbros, I wouldn't be upset.

[Stuartmaximus]

If I made a statement like this, Burn would be sending me an e-mail banning me for a week or worse. Hope you get the same...

Can't ban someone for stating the truth, at least, not outside of Communist China.

ENOUGH!
I know you two hate each other, but could you at least try to have a civil debate like the two well educated intelligent adults I know you are?

Delta, no need to resort to 3rd grade name calling. You know this just eggs X on, and I know it's why you do it.

You two can continue to have your debate over Blast Off and partsforming, or whatever, just do it with some damn respect.

I've got a fist full of tickets to ride the warning train, and the seats are all empty.
Got it?!

& to think that the Mods/Admins/Celestial Beings usually moan about me hating on people

[BATTLEMASTER IIC]

Please do not ban me for this, but I actually liked the Hasbro Blastoff better. Why waste the money?

Thing is, to get the set, it's not that much more than the american release. I'll save you all the lectures and say it's not a big money difference, as has been stated before. It's just personal preference, which you and I prefer hasbro

I do want you to elaborate please. The UW Bruticus set is up for pre-order on BBTS for $135 not including shipping. If I bought the set at retail stores like Target and Wal-Mart (and even Amazon.com), that would be $17 per limb and $26 for the core figure, bringing the total to $94. Looking at these two numbers, $94 and $135 is a huge difference, a difference of $41.

So what am I missing?

[ZeroWolf]

I didn't think that blast off would generate this kind of animosity, I thought that the Rook/Groove and Alpha Bravo/Slingshot debates would of took the wind out of these sails.

Everyone gets the blast off they want. How is that not a good thing? These are children's playthings, not some life or death matters.

[D-Maximal_Primal]

Please do not ban me for this, but I actually liked the Hasbro Blastoff better. Why waste the money?

Thing is, to get the set, it's not that much more than the american release. I'll save you all the lectures and say it's not a big money difference, as has been stated before. It's just personal preference, which you and I prefer hasbro

I do want you to elaborate please. The UW Bruticus set is up for pre-order on BBTS for $135 not including shipping. If I bought the set at retail stores like Target and Wal-Mart (and even Amazon.com), that would be $17 per limb and $26 for the core figure, bringing the total to $94. Looking at these two numbers, $94 and $135 is a huge difference, a difference of $41.

So what am I missing?

I think Will has explained it best in the past. We've had conversations like this in the threads before, so I think I'll wait for Will to explain that one for you.

me? I just get hasbro. My collection only includes 2 things takara, so I'm not a big part of that.

[D-Maximal_Primal]

Now that the dramas over do you guys think that Takara is going to be doing the same thing with Sky Reign, Computron and Liokaiser?



And what other combiners do you think we will get first things first I remember there being an alternate Ratchet head for First aid and an alternate Demolishor head for Onslaught do any of you think Takara will use those versions as well as any versions we don't know of?

Given what has happened with Grand Galvatron and Convoy Grand Prime, I would not put it past Takara to find a use for Sky Reign and his limbs. They shoe-horned Grand Galvatron in, so I have faith they could shoe-horn in Sky Reign. I think they would do Computron too, but as for Liokaiser, who knows. I would think they would do him though considering he is the most highly desired combiner and he was a Japanese show creation

[william-james88]

Plus their vintage toys looked hilariously bad

Compared to the rest of G1 at the time of it's release, I would say it was the best toy of the bunch. And the fact that no third party company could have given it justice is a testament to how great that initial toy is. Especially the Beast Modes

Now that the dramas over do you guys think that Takara is going to be doing the same thing with Sky Reign, Computron and Liokaiser?

And what other combiners do you think we will get first things first I remember there being an alternate Ratchet head for First aid and an alternate Demolishor head for Onslaught do any of you think Takara will use those versions as well as any versions we don't know of?

Awesome discussion points, glad to have you here Mirageandjazz! I actually believe that due to Takara's big emphasis on G1 accuracy, they wouldnt release LioKaiser. If they use the Skylynx mold, I think it will only be once and it will be for another awesome but goofy combining idea, as they did with Grand Galvatron (what an amazing name he has!).

I can totally see Computron though and I am super curious about how that will work out since Hasbro is also releasing him as a box set with (supposedly) the G1 members. So I dont know how much it would differ if at all. It is known that Takara does not care what Hasbro is doing for this line and will do what they want (if it's possible) but in this case, I feel that both companies might end up with a similar product in the end.

To this day, the following quote from Takara leaves me with so many unanswwered questions:

- How did you decide on the direction of Japanese "Unite Warriors" development?
Y: This can be said for "Legends" series as well, but the concept for the current domestic products is that we want (the customers) to remember the Transformers from the past. We do not want someone who had (Transformers toy) long time ago to feel (the new ones are) somewhat wrong. When we first learned of Overseas Superion's specifics, we thought, "huh? There's a wrong guy in the team" (*laugh) So it was decided to make Japanese Superion consisting of all jets.

That really makes it sound like even the idea of Wildrider and Slingshot were brought about by Takara and not Hasbro, early on. And it really makes it sound like they do not feel confined to mirror Hasbro with this whole line. Pretty much, what I am saying here is that its a totally different ball game with Takara and I have a hard time predicting what they will do.

[william-james88]

Please do not ban me for this, but I actually liked the Hasbro Blastoff better. Why waste the money?

Thing is, to get the set, it's not that much more than the american release. I'll save you all the lectures and say it's not a big money difference, as has been stated before. It's just personal preference, which you and I prefer hasbro

I do want you to elaborate please. The UW Bruticus set is up for pre-order on BBTS for $135 not including shipping. If I bought the set at retail stores like Target and Wal-Mart (and even Amazon.com), that would be $17 per limb and $26 for the core figure, bringing the total to $94. Looking at these two numbers, $94 and $135 is a huge difference, a difference of $41.

So what am I missing?

You are missing 2 things.

1. You didn't include taxes
2. You are using BBTS as an example and BBTS is not a first party takara retailer unlike Amazon, Target or Walmart are in your example of Hasbro retailers (BBTS is also a first party Hasbro retailer).

BBTS is as much a Takara retailer as any third party scalper selling a Hasbro product on Amazon. None actually bought it directly from the company.

So, lets look at a first party takara retailer. Nippon Yassan is a good example. Oh look, they still have Takara's Superion https://www.nippon-yasan.com/figures/11 ... erion.html (that toy's been released for a while now, so don't confuse this with a preordrer price)
I will spare the currency conversion, it comes out to $93.19 cents. So absolutely no difference from your $94 for Hasbro. Of course, you have to ship it to the US, but that is the price for shipping it, not to be confused by the price of the actual figure. So in the end, Takara and Hasbro is the same price, you just have to add the shipping, but that depends on where you are in the world, which varies from fan to fan. It doesnt remove the fact that for the same price of the Hasbro one, Takara gives you that extra rotor on Vortex and a totally new mold. So in the end, Hasbro's is the one that is more expensive, since it cost less to make but they are charging you the same price. But since americans look at their total cost to be the cost of their toys, they ignore that (when in reality you are comparing price of toy + shipping comapred to another version which doesnt require shipping).

Oh and about taxes, the states dont tax import from japan, so you save on taxes, hence why its important to include in your analysis

[D-Maximal_Primal]

Told ya Will had this.

[william-james88]

Told ya Will had this.

Haha, thanks. So what did you think? Was it clear, did it make sense to you? Could you handle it if I am not around?

[D-Maximal_Primal]

Told ya Will had this.

Haha, thanks. So what did you think? Was it clear, did it make sense to you? Could you handle it if I am not around?

I think so. Just say BBTS is a takara scalper and that actual japanese sites like ami ami have the prices set at about the american price, just with shipping costs that may be large cause you're american! Booyah