william-james88 wrote:So two Black Primes called Scourge, thats confusing
That's only because you're approaching the two from an Western perspective. To the Japanese audience that the two toys were released to, the evil Laser Optimus Prime redeco is named "Black Convoy", while the evil CW Optimus redeco is named "Grand Scourge".
The confusion only comes into play when one tries to use the English equivalent names for these characters, in which case Black Convoy would be "Scourge" while Grand Scourge... would be nobody.
Grand Scourge has no English name because the original Grand Scourge model kit toy from Super Link never saw a release in the Energon line in the West, and so Grand Scourge never got an English name. If he had, he most likely would have been named "Nemesis Prime". But since he never came over into Hasbro's side of the brand, Grand Scourge doesn't really exist in Hasbro's lore.
As to how Grand Scourge even got his name if he isn't the same character as Car Robots Black Convoy/RiD 2001 Scourge, he got his name from the Japanese name of Armada Nemesis Prime. In Japan, that Nemesis Prime was named "Scourge" in the Micron Densetsu (Japanese Armada) series, in homage to the English name of Car Robots Black Convoy, but there was also a slight homage to G1 Scourge in the name by Takara giving Nemesis Prime's Mini-Con partner Run-Over the Japanese name of "Sweep".
Now, this isn't necessarily to say that Armada Nemesis Prime/Micron Densetsu Scourge is the same character as Super Link Grand Scourge. After all, Armada Nemy/MD Scourge was just an animalistic puppet creature controlled by Sideways/Doubleface, and was completely and thoroughly destroyed by both Optimus/Convoy and Galvatron/Megatron Super Mode, whereas Super Link Grand Scourge(/no Energon counterpart) by all appearances seems to be his own independent being controlled by no one and fully alive on his own. Still, as his origin remains unknown, there's still some wiggle room for any Japanese author to come along and create some kind of origin that could connect Grand Scourge to Armada Nemesis/MD Scourge if they wanted to, but at this point, no such connection has been made between the two besides the similar "evil Optimus/Convoy lookalike" concept and the similar Japanese names.
One last thing that further differs CR Black Convoy from SL Grand Scourge. Black Convoy is a Combatron
like Baldigus, while Grand Scourge is just a Decepticon
.