The Energon Pub

[OptimusPrimeval]

This is a beautiful toy, it really is. I love that the beast mode can stand upright as well as hunched over, but I must say, with this being a masterpiece and all, I was really hoping for some kind of miracle of engineering that would have given him knees in beast mode. I'm impressed at how close it is to the animation model in both modes! But I think I might be holding out for the inevitable toy-accurate version with white feet, some slight paint alterations and a full faceplate, and now I think about it, a toy-accurate version should really have a wonderfully detailed mutant head as well. The first wave toys and their packaging bios hold a whole other interesting Beast Wars continuity I would like to see revisited for the anniversary. Perhaps a 3rd party will make an upgrade kit with white feet and a new head...

[Sabrblade]

But I think I might be holding out for the inevitable toy-accurate version with white feet, some slight paint alterations and a full faceplate,

This one comes with the faceplated face.

[Dr. Caelus]

To me it doesn't look like a masterpiece, so much as a logical progression given improvements in toy design - like thrilling 30 Rhinox and Rattrap.

That's not a complaint, mind you - it's just the Beast Wars toys were much better than G1 toys and the animation models closer to the show, so while this is perfect, or close to it, it doesn't seem like the feat of engineering some of the masterpiece figures do.

It seems like a really great voyager class figure, like Thrilling 30 Springer; there's a lot of care and creativity evident in its design, but the level of complexity that was necessary to achieve perfection, and thus the manufacturing cost to produce it, don't seem like they would warrant the normal masterpiece price tag.

I would have been totally fine with them sacrificing the LEDs if it dropped the price.

I am guessing these are your exact same thoughts on MP Shockwave right?

I'll be interested to see how they compare in terms of size and metal content, but, yeah I could see the same thing being true for Shockwave.

[Ultra Markus]

We're used to G1 Masterpiece perfection, but the problem is those are turning a static blocky altmode into a blocky robot. The Beast Wars designs are fundamentally different.

The biggest, biggest difference is that there are no hidden sides of a Beast Mode. A car or truckformer can stuff loads of junk on its underside, but what can an apeformer do?

That and panel lines + joints are always going to look awkward on a beastmode (well, maybe it can be circumvented on those w/ plated bodies, but an Ape ain't one of those).

Optimus Primal has the same amount of care and engineering in his design as every other Masterpiece; it's just that he's a tougher subject to portray.

Absolutely. You could say it's a whole different animal...I am so sorry I had to

maybe optimal optimus would have been easier to pull off given hes more machine than animal

[D-Maximal_Primal]

We're used to G1 Masterpiece perfection, but the problem is those are turning a static blocky altmode into a blocky robot. The Beast Wars designs are fundamentally different.

The biggest, biggest difference is that there are no hidden sides of a Beast Mode. A car or truckformer can stuff loads of junk on its underside, but what can an apeformer do?

That and panel lines + joints are always going to look awkward on a beastmode (well, maybe it can be circumvented on those w/ plated bodies, but an Ape ain't one of those).

Optimus Primal has the same amount of care and engineering in his design as every other Masterpiece; it's just that he's a tougher subject to portray.

Absolutely. You could say it's a whole different animal...I am so sorry I had to

maybe optimal optimus would have been easier to pull off given hes more machine than animal

I would love an Optimal Optimus, but to so many, this is the original Primal, kinda like how the original Optimus Prime is the one so many recognize instantly, not one of his upgraded forms

[Hellscream9999]

We're used to G1 Masterpiece perfection, but the problem is those are turning a static blocky altmode into a blocky robot. The Beast Wars designs are fundamentally different.

The biggest, biggest difference is that there are no hidden sides of a Beast Mode. A car or truckformer can stuff loads of junk on its underside, but what can an apeformer do?

That and panel lines + joints are always going to look awkward on a beastmode (well, maybe it can be circumvented on those w/ plated bodies, but an Ape ain't one of those).

Optimus Primal has the same amount of care and engineering in his design as every other Masterpiece; it's just that he's a tougher subject to portray.

Absolutely. You could say it's a whole different animal...I am so sorry I had to

maybe optimal optimus would have been easier to pull off given hes more machine than animal

I would love an Optimal Optimus, but to so many, this is the original Primal, kinda like how the original Optimus Prime is the one so many recognize instantly, not one of his upgraded forms

Plus the show model was based on the toy, so there wouldn't necessarily be anything to 'fix'

[Dr. Caelus]

We're used to G1 Masterpiece perfection, but the problem is those are turning a static blocky altmode into a blocky robot. The Beast Wars designs are fundamentally different.

The biggest, biggest difference is that there are no hidden sides of a Beast Mode. A car or truckformer can stuff loads of junk on its underside, but what can an apeformer do?

That and panel lines + joints are always going to look awkward on a beastmode (well, maybe it can be circumvented on those w/ plated bodies, but an Ape ain't one of those).

Optimus Primal has the same amount of care and engineering in his design as every other Masterpiece; it's just that he's a tougher subject to portray.

Absolutely. You could say it's a whole different animal...I am so sorry I had to

maybe optimal optimus would have been easier to pull off given hes more machine than animal

I would love an Optimal Optimus, but to so many, this is the original Primal, kinda like how the original Optimus Prime is the one so many recognize instantly, not one of his upgraded forms

Plus the show model was based on the toy, so there wouldn't necessarily be anything to 'fix'

Mainly the chest cannons, they didn't retract on the toy like they did in the cartoon. You could add individual finger joints, a ball-jointed neck, and maybe a better waist, but otherwise, not much to do.

[Hellscream9999]

We're used to G1 Masterpiece perfection, but the problem is those are turning a static blocky altmode into a blocky robot. The Beast Wars designs are fundamentally different.

The biggest, biggest difference is that there are no hidden sides of a Beast Mode. A car or truckformer can stuff loads of junk on its underside, but what can an apeformer do?

That and panel lines + joints are always going to look awkward on a beastmode (well, maybe it can be circumvented on those w/ plated bodies, but an Ape ain't one of those).

Optimus Primal has the same amount of care and engineering in his design as every other Masterpiece; it's just that he's a tougher subject to portray.

Absolutely. You could say it's a whole different animal...I am so sorry I had to

maybe optimal optimus would have been easier to pull off given hes more machine than animal

I would love an Optimal Optimus, but to so many, this is the original Primal, kinda like how the original Optimus Prime is the one so many recognize instantly, not one of his upgraded forms

Plus the show model was based on the toy, so there wouldn't necessarily be anything to 'fix'

Mainly the chest cannons, they didn't retract on the toy like they did in the cartoon. You could add individual finger joints, a ball-jointed neck, and maybe a better waist, but otherwise, not much to do.

And a ball-jointed beast mode head

[MemphisR56]

[Hellscream9999]

Thought I recognized that pic from somewhere

[YRQRM0]

This is awesome. I can't wait for the day Armada gets some MP love, I think a lot of those designs have a ton of potential for awesome figures.

[RevTibe]

This is awesome. I can't wait for the day Armada gets some MP love, I think a lot of those designs have a ton of potential for awesome figures.

The look and transformation of Armada Prime's grill-chest is a thing of legend. And as much of a longshot as it might be, seeing the Optimus/Jetfire/Overload trinity played out with Masterpiece articulation would be pure transcendent bliss.

[Cobotron]

good one Memph.
I was thinking this when I saw that pick.

[Insurgent]

This is awesome. I can't wait for the day Armada gets some MP love, I think a lot of those designs have a ton of potential for awesome figures.

Though I wouldn't get Armada MP's, I would make an exception for Armada Prime.

[Ironhidensh]

This is awesome. I can't wait for the day Armada gets some MP love, I think a lot of those designs have a ton of potential for awesome figures.

Heresy!!!

[Hellscream9999]

This is awesome. I can't wait for the day Armada gets some MP love, I think a lot of those designs have a ton of potential for awesome figures.

Heresy!!!

I'll see your heresy and raise you a TT Armada Shockwave (tidalwave in epic colors) While they aren't all worthy of masterpiece, I would be all over at least a o/p/super prime and jetfire

[Ironhidensh]

I feel so old.

You kids can have your armada mp's......... after the G1 line-up is done. And beast wars.

[Hellscream9999]

I feel so old.

You kids can have your armada mp's......... after the G1 line-up is done. And beast wars.

I need me some BW MP's

I'd say we need some mp rid'01 figures, but I'd settle for re-releases of o/p and magnus with plastic wheels

[Amelie]

Reading all the love in this thread is such a stark contrast to the Ironhide and Hot Rod threads.

[D-Maximal_Primal]

Reading all the love in this thread is such a stark contrast to the Ironhide and Hot Rod threads.

It is a wonderful thing to hear so much love over a figure. Well deserved love too

[Amelie]

It is a wonderful thing to hear so much love over a figure. Well deserved love too

I'm gonna be asking for it on my birthdaaaaay

and I don't even like the Beast Wars show

[Hellscream9999]

Reading all the love in this thread is such a stark contrast to the Ironhide and Hot Rod threads.

It is a wonderful thing to hear so much love over a figure. Well deserved love too

I'm gonna be asking for it on my birthdaaaaay

and I don't even like the Beast Wars show

That's because it's that beautiful, it brings tears to my eyes

[D-Maximal_Primal]

Beast Wars was one of the things that took a bit longer for me to hook onto, but when I did I came to love it. I am seriously considering this guy. I do really want him. Since my birthday has now passed, I'll just need to find another excuse

[Hellscream9999]

Beast Wars was one of the things that took a bit longer for me to hook onto, but when I did I came to love it. I am seriously considering this guy. I do really want him. Since my birthday has now passed, I'll just need to find another excuse

Like the 20th anniversary of BW

[D-Maximal_Primal]

Beast Wars was one of the things that took a bit longer for me to hook onto, but when I did I came to love it. I am seriously considering this guy. I do really want him. Since my birthday has now passed, I'll just need to find another excuse

Like the 20th anniversary of BW

Bingo