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News Credits: 127 · by **Counterpunch** » Wed May 21, 2008 9:32 am

Flux Convoy wrote:The bickering, the ill-informed, the whining, the child-like behaviour...ahhh Seibertron. I've missed you baby. Feh, I attended the last 3 years and got those seekers, love them. I want these too. When we got TC for Botcon it WAS an exclusive. It's been so for over a year now. Takara fires up their own version of the line and BAM! They can do whatever they like. Literally. I'm not bitching, I don't care really except for the fact I'll be buying these guys again. It makes me happy that others now get the opportunity. What doesn't is that people will still whine and complain and quite possibly not buy them because of the price points they will be demanding. My immediate thoughts are pony up or shut up. See, this is exactly why I don't post so often anymore. Makes me feel angry and negative. The very thing I despise. Eh, there are enough folks that know Flux is a jerk!

Who would dare think the "Fistn' Piston'" is a jerk?

You work literally twice as hard as everyone else!

(Yea, it's an inside joke. Go to BotCon yourself ya n00bs and then you'll be in the know. :wink:

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News Credits: 3 · by **bvzxa** » Wed May 21, 2008 9:33 am

Flux Convoy wrote:The bickering, the ill-informed, the whining, the child-like behaviour...ahhh Seibertron. I've missed you baby. Feh, I attended the last 3 years and got those seekers, love them. I want these too. When we got TC for Botcon it WAS an exclusive. It's been so for over a year now. Takara fires up their own version of the line and BAM! They can do whatever they like. Literally. I'm not bitching, I don't care really except for the fact I'll be buying these guys again. It makes me happy that others now get the opportunity. What doesn't is that people will still whine and complain and quite possibly not buy them because of the price points they will be demanding. My immediate thoughts are pony up or shut up. See, this is exactly why I don't post so often anymore. Makes me feel angry and negative. The very thing I despise. Eh, there are enough folks that know Flux is a jerk!

yeah but we don't know what type of agreement Hasbro and TakTomy had at all.

Website · by **Flux Convoy** » Wed May 21, 2008 9:44 am

Counterpunch wrote:
Flux Convoy wrote:The bickering, the ill-informed, the whining, the child-like behaviour...ahhh Seibertron. I've missed you baby. Feh, I attended the last 3 years and got those seekers, love them. I want these too. When we got TC for Botcon it WAS an exclusive. It's been so for over a year now. Takara fires up their own version of the line and BAM! They can do whatever they like. Literally. I'm not bitching, I don't care really except for the fact I'll be buying these guys again. It makes me happy that others now get the opportunity. What doesn't is that people will still whine and complain and quite possibly not buy them because of the price points they will be demanding. My immediate thoughts are pony up or shut up. See, this is exactly why I don't post so often anymore. Makes me feel angry and negative. The very thing I despise. Eh, there are enough folks that know Flux is a jerk!

Who would dare think the "Fistn' Piston'" is a jerk?

You work literally twice as hard as everyone else!

(Yea, it's an inside joke. Go to BotCon yourself ya n00bs and then you'll be in the know. )

Heh. I hope to God that video lives in some form. That and Ryan's apology. I needs them! :lol:

bvzxa wrote:yeah but we don't know what type of agreement Hasbro and TakTomy had at all.

I'm not clear on why anyone would need this info. The gist of it is that either company has free use of the molds once made. Whatever paint decos and whatnot they decide to use are entirely up to the respective companies. From what we're told, they won't copy something exactly for either market and when it comes to Botcon stuff, Takara decides whether or not to do something similar or not. No one says they cannot.
:BOT:

News Credits: 127 · by **Counterpunch** » Wed May 21, 2008 9:53 am

bvzxa wrote:yeah but we don't know what type of agreement Hasbro and TakTomy had at all.

I've posted info regarding this agreement several times in several threads.

News Credits: 5 · by **Sledge** » Wed May 21, 2008 10:24 am

Counterpunch wrote:I've posted info regarding this agreement several times in several threads.

And to be brutally honest, I don't know why you bother. Some people are just going to go right ahead and assume that Hasbro/Takara/the Great Pumpkin sits around, twirling their moustaches and looking for new ways to annoy us. Case in point are the people who, despite your very clear explanations as to how the Botcon '07 set came about, insist the decision was "stupid."

Dude, you must have the patience of a saint.

News Credits: 2 · by **Tekka** » Wed May 21, 2008 10:33 am

Kukuku.

So much useless prattle.

The thing I'm looking forward to most other than the figure release themselves are the number of Thundercracker related web comics which will doubtless start showing themselves in the coming days.

I hope Matt Moylan doesn't let me down come Monday morning!

News Credits: 6 · by **City Commander** » Wed May 21, 2008 12:03 pm

Tekka wrote:Kukuku.

So much useless prattle.

The thing I'm looking forward to most other than the figure release themselves are the number of Thundercracker related web comics which will doubtless start showing themselves in the coming days.

I hope Matt Moylan doesn't let me down come Monday morning!

I'm expecting great things from Matt on this topic. I can't wait either

I wonder what'll turn up tomorrow to make the girls squeal and bitch :-?

News Credits: 8 · by **NuclearConvoy** » Wed May 21, 2008 12:26 pm

BB Shockwave wrote:
NuclearConvoy wrote:
The only part of Henkei Thundercracker that I like better, judging by those pics, are the launchers. Every other difference is negligible, IMO.

Yes, I have BotCon Thundercracker. I got the whole set as part of my "BotCon Experience", and when you divide it up I only payed around 50$ on him individually. I spent a lot of money to go to BotCon with the "whole package", with the exclusive toys and flying to Providence from Montreal on a Canadian holiday weekend. And, yet, I've left my BotCon exclusive box set in the box and on a shelf. To me, the toys were a very secondary thing compared to the memories I have of BotCon and the memories that those toys conjur up.

The Henkei/Botcon toys are different enough from eachother to not, in my mind, change the way I feel about the BotCon Thundercracker. He is, and always will be, the recognizable BotCon toy. For character collectors it won't matter which version they get, but for those who want a BotCon version it will still hold the same value. These are still exclusives, no matter what you say. They won't be unlimited production and will still demand decent prices, either or.

Now, can anyone tell me how much that Clear Convoy might go for?

Can you or any owner of Botcon TC tell me whether his vertical tailfins are colored blue or are black with the classics stripes? Because on the web, I found pics of both versions...

Mine has black vertical tailfins with red and white "classics" stripes. It's a touch awkward, but you don't really notice it much, especially the way light tends to fall on the toy.

News Credits: 8 · by **NuclearConvoy** » Wed May 21, 2008 12:32 pm

Counterpunch wrote:
bvzxa wrote:yeah but we don't know what type of agreement Hasbro and TakTomy had at all.

I've posted info regarding this agreement several times in several threads.

Don't they just have to not make exact copies of eachother's paint decos?

News Credits: 3 · by **Hyper-Chicken** » Wed May 21, 2008 12:46 pm

I didn't get back into collecting until adter last years BotCon so I missed out on the GoD set. I found pretty good deals on Ebay for Thundercracker and Dirge, yeah I paid mark up but I am completely happy with my purchases and don't regret it at all - even now with the Takara announcement. My only wish now is for a Takara Thrust as he is the only seeker I don't have and right now Ebay prices are over what I am comfortable paying, more than the average of what I paid for my Dirge and Thundercracker.

News Credits: 387 · by **Nekoman** » Wed May 21, 2008 12:51 pm

MagnusPrimal wrote:
Nekoman wrote:I fully understand Getters comments as someone who DIDN’T go to Botcon.

In essence, this is sad, people will see less incentive for going to Botcon and possibly end the convention. I frown upon TakaraTomys decision as not only a fan, but a collector.

If cheap enough, I may order it. Still, some part of me agonizes over this release. It’s not fair to those who went to Botcon, its not fair to Botcon.

I get the feeling that a greedy side of the fandom will cheer about this for a long time, another side, may just leave forever.

Shame on those who demanded this release, shame on Takara for going through with it and shame on Hasbro for allowing this to happen back in 06...

Shame, SHAME!

Oh, good grief.

So, it was fair that the remaining seekers were unavailable to a large part of the fandom, but it's not fair to botcon that now a single seeker from that set, with a different paint job, is being released in limited numbers in a different country?

Last I heard, this Thundercracker is about as limited as fruit at the store. They’ll be making as many as they get Preorders for, THERE IS NO LIMIT.

And no, it’s not fair at all. I’m sure there are a lot of people here who understand me saying this. Put your self in their shoes for a change, you save up a TON of money, take off from work, get on a plane, get you’re overpriced toys that were never supposed to be released anywhere else, then two years later, they release what is virtually THE SAME THING.

Look at Getterdragun, he wouldn’t have gone to that Botcon if he had known it would be released like this. No where near as many people wouldn’t have gone, but they were told this would be the only way to get their seekers. So much for that.

Now, doesn’t any of that sound the least bit unfair to you?

News Credits: 2 · by **Tekka** » Wed May 21, 2008 12:56 pm

It's all a matter of personal perspective, as is everything. If you feel you have been slighted, just wipe away your tears and trudge on through life. It would seem that not everyone can be happy in every situation, and is a moment for the second chancers to celebrate their good fortune.

News Credits: 387 · by **Nekoman** » Wed May 21, 2008 1:06 pm

Tekka wrote:It's all a matter of personal perspective, as is everything. If you feel you have been slighted, just wipe away your tears and trudge on through life. It would seem that not everyone can be happy in every situation, and is a moment for the second chancers to celebrate their good fortune.

And although I’ve been complaining about this I’ll look into getting my own.

But it’s just the ideal of it…

News Credits: 127 · by **Counterpunch** » Wed May 21, 2008 1:10 pm

Tekka wrote:It's all a matter of personal perspective, as is everything. If you feel you have been slighted, just wipe away your tears and trudge on through life.

While I agree with you on principal, why was this so hard to understand prior to Henkei Thundercracker?

If I told people to "get over it and move on" in regards to BotCon, I'm a jerk and elitist.

(neither of which I have a problem with, just saying...ya know?)

News Credits: 17 · by **JTKranix** » Wed May 21, 2008 1:12 pm

Nekoman wrote:
MagnusPrimal wrote:
Nekoman wrote:I fully understand Getters comments as someone who DIDN’T go to Botcon.

In essence, this is sad, people will see less incentive for going to Botcon and possibly end the convention. I frown upon TakaraTomys decision as not only a fan, but a collector.

If cheap enough, I may order it. Still, some part of me agonizes over this release. It’s not fair to those who went to Botcon, its not fair to Botcon.

I get the feeling that a greedy side of the fandom will cheer about this for a long time, another side, may just leave forever.

Shame on those who demanded this release, shame on Takara for going through with it and shame on Hasbro for allowing this to happen back in 06...

Shame, SHAME!

Oh, good grief.

So, it was fair that the remaining seekers were unavailable to a large part of the fandom, but it's not fair to botcon that now a single seeker from that set, with a different paint job, is being released in limited numbers in a different country?

Last I heard, this Thundercracker is about as limited as fruit at the store. They’ll be making as many as they get Preorders for, THERE IS NO LIMIT.

And no, it’s not fair at all. I’m sure there are a lot of people here who understand me saying this. Put your self in their shoes for a change, you save up a TON of money, take off from work, get on a plane, get you’re overpriced toys that were never supposed to be released anywhere else, then two years later, they release what is virtually THE SAME THING.

Look at Getterdragun, he wouldn’t have gone to that Botcon if he had known it would be released like this. No where near as many people wouldn’t have gone, but they were told this would be the only way to get their seekers. So much for that.

Now, doesn’t any of that sound the least bit unfair to you?

No one had to save up a ton of money, take off from work, get on a plane to get overpriced toys that were never supposed to be released anywhere else.

THAT IS WHAT THE NON-ATTENDING PACKAGE IS FOR!

News Credits: 2 · by **Tekka** » Wed May 21, 2008 1:15 pm

For the same reason it is now so hard for others to accept that it now will exist. Once the glove changes hands it turns from your moment of fun posting pictures of gospel choirs chanting "never gonna happen" to the chance for the other side to chant get over it and move on.

When things don't go in someone's favour there will always be those around to remind them that life goes on regardless.

Whether it's done nicely or is done with intent to frustrate is down to the individual.

News Credits: 767 · by **Dead Metal** » Wed May 21, 2008 1:27 pm

Counterpunch wrote:
Tekka wrote:It's all a matter of personal perspective, as is everything. If you feel you have been slighted, just wipe away your tears and trudge on through life.

While I agree with you on principal, why was this so hard to understand prior to Henkei Thundercracker?

If I told people to "get over it and move on" in regards to BotCon, I'm a jerk and elitist.

(neither of which I have a problem with, just saying...ya know?)

Well it wasn't Tekka that called people that, it was them others, cof Starscream, cof.

But now I'm kinda having a hard time, well I wanted to go out with friends to the Comic Saloon erlangen on Saturday, but I also want these Toys, now I'm shure I could get my parents to grant me getting ether the toys, or going to CSE with extra money, but not both. So once again I miss out on TT. :cry:

News Credits: 2 · by **Tekka** » Wed May 21, 2008 1:36 pm

I said the same thing to those who wanted Thundercracker before. Even though I make a point of sticking up for the have-nots my advice was that if they wanted Thundercracker badly enough to save a little and get him but if they weren't willing to put in the time and effort of saving then it was best to just walk away.

Granted $250+ is a lot of money to save for such a small toy, especially for those who are financially challenged. But at the time it was the only advice I had to offer them.

I personally spent £150 on obtaining Thundercracker because of my unfortunate location. I feel I have been slighted by the appearance of a Thundercracker I like the look of more and could potentially get cheaper but I have no intention of making an issue of it or replacing the one I made the effort to pay for.

Money is only money but it's a shame when something better and cheaper comes along.

I suppose it's all about being lucky. Sometimes you end up paying in more ways than one.

News Credits: 127 · by **Counterpunch** » Wed May 21, 2008 1:38 pm

Tekka wrote:For the same reason it is now so hard for others to accept that it now will exist. Once the glove changes hands it turns from your moment of fun posting pictures of gospel choirs chanting "never gonna happen" to the chance for the other side to chant get over it and move on.

Go ahead and mention the taunting that went on between me and a friendly rival over the matter. Try to make me look like a jerk in all of this.

You fail to mention my advocacy for people to buy these things when they were first available.

You fail to mention the people that I help out in regards to BotCon.

You fail to mention the downright immense amount of time I put into making sure fellow collectors are properly informed on these issues.

Congrats on actually pissing me off in regards to all of this, that's genuinely not easy.

News Credits: 2 · by **Tekka** » Wed May 21, 2008 1:39 pm

I'm sorry you feel that way. But as an intelligent man, you should know the negative aspects of everything stick out more than the good.

News Credits: 127 · by **Counterpunch** » Wed May 21, 2008 1:43 pm

Tekka wrote:I'm sorry you feel that way.

I can't really say I'm all that mad though.

I still have my BotCon Thundercracker and an inside source to get Henkei Thundercracker, so it's all good.

(ps: refrain from PMing me about that source for now folks. :wink:

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News Credits: 6 · by **City Commander** » Wed May 21, 2008 1:49 pm

I'm sure Tek isn't trying to single you out in this CP. We all know how much you do for the community here (like you'd let us forget

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News Credits: 2 · by **Tekka** » Wed May 21, 2008 1:51 pm

I can't say I'm entirely innocent. I did use him as an example because I was talking to him. I'm sorry for that though, there are plenty of others who did the teasing so I'm not pinning solely on Counterpunch.

Everyone has a part to play, even I'm now being antagonistic in my own way, shamefully.

News Credits: 8 · by **NuclearConvoy** » Wed May 21, 2008 1:52 pm

Counterpunch wrote:
Tekka wrote:For the same reason it is now so hard for others to accept that it now will exist. Once the glove changes hands it turns from your moment of fun posting pictures of gospel choirs chanting "never gonna happen" to the chance for the other side to chant get over it and move on.

Go ahead and mention the taunting that went on between me and a friendly rival over the matter. Try to make me look like a jerk in all of this.

You fail to mention my advocacy for people to buy these things when they were first available.

You fail to mention the people that I help out in regards to BotCon.

You fail to mention the downright immense amount of time I put into making sure fellow collectors are properly informed on these issues.

Congrats on actually pissing me off in regards to all of this, that's genuinely not easy.

Maybe you should give him a good ol' Shoryuken!

News Credits: 3 · by **BB Shockwave** » Wed May 21, 2008 1:54 pm

Counterpunch wrote:
You are wrong and your opinion on the matter is wrong.

Read up on what the more experienced collectors have put down and respect that they're taking time to give out good advice next time.

Oh please... 'More experienced'... I'm over 30. I have some toys in my collection I bet most people on this board don't have and hardly ever will. Not because I'm so rich, but because they ARE that hard to find.

And if I learned something from TF collecting, is that NOTHING is impossible to get for cheap. I got my Takara MP 01 (MIB, 100% complete) for barely 25$... I got a custom boxed G1 Ravage for only 20$... Why? 'Cause I didn't rush to buy them when they were avaliable, not only because my wallet was quite thin at the time, but because I don't like spending more then 50$ on a Transformer...

As the Predacon leader, Razorclaw put it, "all good things succumb to those who await" And I was willing to wait a year after I heard about the Botcon seekers, I can wait a little more until the Heinkei Exclusives will be up for affordable prices. All you have to do is to wait, and have a keen eye. I waited 2 years to get an MP Prime. I am a patient man. I can do it again.