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Kung Fu Man wrote:They're both back in stock, but their price jumped up $10 as a result. Circuit and Jackpot by comparison jumped down by the same amount, making them *cheaper* than buying them from the club.
Nemesis Destron wrote:Kung Fu Man wrote:They're both back in stock, but their price jumped up $10 as a result. Circuit and Jackpot by comparison jumped down by the same amount, making them *cheaper* than buying them from the club.
WTF BBTS?? That's a total dick move jacking up the price like that!!![]()
Nemesis Destron wrote:Kung Fu Man wrote:They're both back in stock, but their price jumped up $10 as a result. Circuit and Jackpot by comparison jumped down by the same amount, making them *cheaper* than buying them from the club.
WTF BBTS?? That's a total dick move jacking up the price like that!!![]()
Gauntlet101010 wrote:What I don't understand is the timing and the limited time offer. There's a huge con going on this month that I'm going to. I budgeted for THAT. I'm not sure paying $300 for this right on the heels of that is a fantastic idea. I didn't expect such a limited time offer to come from TFCC.
Stormrider wrote:I really don't understand the strategy of the service subscription other than it allows TFCC to sell figures that otherwise wouldn't do well selling on their own.
It seems like Slipstream, Scourge, and Breakdown are hot commodities. And Jackpot and Circuit are not that hot. So my question to TFCC - why bother producing figures that are not that interesting to fans? It just seems like their marketing and research regarding what the fans are interested is off the mark 50% of the time.
Mkall wrote:Nemesis Destron wrote:Kung Fu Man wrote:They're both back in stock, but their price jumped up $10 as a result. Circuit and Jackpot by comparison jumped down by the same amount, making them *cheaper* than buying them from the club.
WTF BBTS?? That's a total dick move jacking up the price like that!!![]()
It's pretty standard BBTS practice actually. I'm not defending them or anything, I'm just surprised when people still get PO'd at it.
Mkall wrote:Gauntlet101010 wrote:What I don't understand is the timing and the limited time offer. There's a huge con going on this month that I'm going to. I budgeted for THAT. I'm not sure paying $300 for this right on the heels of that is a fantastic idea. I didn't expect such a limited time offer to come from TFCC.
They need to give the Chinese factories concrete production numbers if they want to meet their estimated ship date of January.Stormrider wrote:I really don't understand the strategy of the service subscription other than it allows TFCC to sell figures that otherwise wouldn't do well selling on their own.
It seems like Slipstream, Scourge, and Breakdown are hot commodities. And Jackpot and Circuit are not that hot. So my question to TFCC - why bother producing figures that are not that interesting to fans? It just seems like their marketing and research regarding what the fans are interested is off the mark 50% of the time.
Because the TFCC isn't simply going to sell what 90% of the fandom want. They're trying to get 100% coverage, which includes fans that collect past lines such as Animated, Beast Wars and others. Don't want Jackpot? Neither do I, but I know that there are Animated collectors out there who do so I'll sell mine off at cost to recoup the costs.
Don't want Ultra Mammoth? I do because I have a completed Beast Wars collection, that for the first time in over 10 years has a figure I can add to it. That excites me and other Beast Wars collectors.
Don't want Circuit? I do because he's a homage to a niche G1-ish figure. To some that isn't enough to warrant the money. To others, it sure is. Heck I'm going to find a second Circuit to be my Shattered Glass Axor.
So yeah, one group's wants/needs doesn't equal that of the fandom. The Club is trying to cater to us all; not just us Classics fanboys.
Burn wrote:Simple solution ... stop supporting the club.
craggy wrote:You've a lot of good points. However, these 6 figures are not gang-molded, so it'd be quite possible for them to sell the more niche figures under a made to order scheme, and if they're only shipping one a month, then I have to imagine that would in theory give them an extra month to supply info on how many of the 2nd figure need to be made, and so on. But they'd rather be all secretive about which one is being released when, in what I expect is a move to make people pay over the odds for the one or two figures they want from this set. Of course, it's nice that the shipping schedule is a secret, because that way anyone without the internet will not know what the first figure is 2 minutes after the first person receives theirs.
Mkall wrote:craggy wrote:You've a lot of good points. However, these 6 figures are not gang-molded, so it'd be quite possible for them to sell the more niche figures under a made to order scheme, and if they're only shipping one a month, then I have to imagine that would in theory give them an extra month to supply info on how many of the 2nd figure need to be made, and so on. But they'd rather be all secretive about which one is being released when, in what I expect is a move to make people pay over the odds for the one or two figures they want from this set. Of course, it's nice that the shipping schedule is a secret, because that way anyone without the internet will not know what the first figure is 2 minutes after the first person receives theirs.
You're right too, I think the real reason the Club is going this route is they (and we as fans) have grown tired of mis-estimating the number of figs that they should sell. Punch/Counterpunch sold out in minutes the first time 'round, and the their Runamuck (or was it Runabout?) lasted 24 hours. Conversely their Airazor and Astrotrain took years to sell out.
Whether or not we like the method of distribution, from a business standpoint it's pretty good. They move a lot of product without worrying about over/understocking.
GetRightRobot wrote:Perhaps the most cost effective way to deal with the circumstances as they exist, because they are unlikely to change, is to network with other collectors. One individual with an existing club account uses a prepaid VISA (lessons learned) orders the set. Start a thread and deal with members you trust (or even other social media or your local collecting group of peeps) and find the person who wants the pieces you don't. If you end up with an unwanted figure, ebay it.
As a completist, and owner of 5 original versions of these characters' toy and the two existing Mammoth Primes, I'm keeping them all. But that's me, I just love updates on obscure figs and little complete lists, like every version of a mold and such.
craggy wrote:I can't afford to be a completist and I'm sure there are plenty of others who can't. Sure, they're a business and they want to make money. I like the idea of updates of obscure older toys as much as anyone. Hell, my most requested character is Stampede! I'm just saying that I think they'd sell more, and thus, make more money, so that they continued to be around to make these obscure characters into toy form, if they were a bit smarter and more flexible with it.
Mkall wrote:craggy wrote:You've a lot of good points. However, these 6 figures are not gang-molded, so it'd be quite possible for them to sell the more niche figures under a made to order scheme, and if they're only shipping one a month, then I have to imagine that would in theory give them an extra month to supply info on how many of the 2nd figure need to be made, and so on. But they'd rather be all secretive about which one is being released when, in what I expect is a move to make people pay over the odds for the one or two figures they want from this set. Of course, it's nice that the shipping schedule is a secret, because that way anyone without the internet will not know what the first figure is 2 minutes after the first person receives theirs.
You're right too, I think the real reason the Club is going this route is they (and we as fans) have grown tired of mis-estimating the number of figs that they should sell. Punch/Counterpunch sold out in minutes the first time 'round, and the their Runamuck (or was it Runabout?) lasted 24 hours. Conversely their Airazor and Astrotrain took years to sell out.
Whether or not we like the method of distribution, from a business standpoint it's pretty good. They move a lot of product without worrying about over/understocking.
Stormrider wrote:I just don't get why these are being packaged as a subscription. Now that they are partnering with e-Hobby, they should pick up some cues from e-Hobby and set each one up as a separate pre-order. Why are they making this more complicated than it needs to be?
Burn wrote:hmmmm ... let's see ... store member credit card details on unsecured server, have someone steal said credit card details, deny at first before admitting it and upgrading to a more modern system which requires international members to provide photo i.d.
I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that the answer to your question is in fact, they have no idea what they're really doing and are making it up as they go along.
Burn wrote:Stormrider wrote:I just don't get why these are being packaged as a subscription. Now that they are partnering with e-Hobby, they should pick up some cues from e-Hobby and set each one up as a separate pre-order. Why are they making this more complicated than it needs to be?
hmmmm ... let's see ... store member credit card details on unsecured server, have someone steal said credit card details, deny at first before admitting it and upgrading to a more modern system which requires international members to provide photo i.d.
I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that the answer to your question is in fact, they have no idea what they're really doing and are making it up as they go along.
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