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Not including Grimlock in the films in one shape or another. biggest mistake anyone can make in any TF series. Bay said he didn't like the Dinobots, and that's fine. But couldn't he have Grimlock in there insome other form? He is a pretty major character. I mean, if Shockwave made it in, Grimlock should have. Glaring f**k-up on both Bay's and Kruger's part.

Tekka wrote:One would normally read the topic before sticking their oar in...

ah go easy on him

he dont do much reading

SlyTF1 wrote:

Capt.Failure wrote:

SlyTF1 wrote:

5150 Cruiser wrote:

SlyTF1 wrote: Well, Jazz was killed because Poniac didn't want their product involved in a "war movie" (A bunch of punk ass b!*ches if you ask me.) So, they killed off Jazz. They could have just changed his alt mode to a company that wasn't a complete fudge wad.

And where is your proof? This makes absolutely no sense as Pontiac was a subtary of GM and considering they had no problems with Hummer, Chevy, and GMC being involved in a war movie, i don't see why they would decide any different for Pontiac. That, and if they were so concerned with it, they never would have had the Pontiac Brand involved in the movie in the first place.

Look, I just heard that after the first movie was released.

That actually sounds more like the reason Volkswagon won't allow Hasbro to use their cars for a Bumblebee figure awhile back. They're a German company and their country is heavily into censorship of violence after all.

What!? I thought Germans where the most violent race of people! (Besides Russians) Damn, this is honestly shocking to me. I need a nap.

I thought all Germans killed people. I guess I was wrong.

i heard bay drinks the blood of virgins, so that must be true too right.

And come on, you are threading that fine line between genius and idiocy. I am assuming half your posts are tongue in cheek wumming

SlyTF1 wrote:
What!? I thought Germans where the most violent race of people! (Besides Russians) Damn, this is honestly shocking to me. I need a nap.

I thought all Germans killed people. I guess I was wrong.

Oh, man that's hilarious, Sly. Great stuff. I just HAD to quote it. I hope Dead Metal see it; I'm sure he'll get a kick out of it.


Biggest mistake?

Hmmm, that's a tough one. I've typed a bunch of things, but I keep deleting them because they're really not Bay's fault (ROTF being rushed out, Devastator's design). Let me mull this one over...

5150 Cruiser wrote:

SlyTF1 wrote: Well, Jazz was killed because Poniac didn't want their product involved in a "war movie" (A bunch of punk ass b!*ches if you ask me.) So, they killed off Jazz. They could have just changed his alt mode to a company that wasn't a complete fudge wad.

And where is your proof? This makes absolutely no sense as Pontiac was a subtary of GM and considering they had no problems with Hummer, Chevy, and GMC being involved in a war movie, i don't see why they would decide any different for Pontiac. That, and if they were so concerned with it, they never would have had the Pontiac Brand involved in the movie in the first place.

Wasn't Jazz' death more or less a way to establish Megatrons overall badassery? Almost mindlessly ripping apart a second-in-command sends a clear message.

Biggest mistake Bay made?

Er...

The mom-on-pot scene. Not very much like being-on-pot.

RhA wrote:

5150 Cruiser wrote:

SlyTF1 wrote: Well, Jazz was killed because Poniac didn't want their product involved in a "war movie" (A bunch of punk ass b!*ches if you ask me.) So, they killed off Jazz. They could have just changed his alt mode to a company that wasn't a complete fudge wad.

And where is your proof? This makes absolutely no sense as Pontiac was a subtary of GM and considering they had no problems with Hummer, Chevy, and GMC being involved in a war movie, i don't see why they would decide any different for Pontiac. That, and if they were so concerned with it, they never would have had the Pontiac Brand involved in the movie in the first place.

Wasn't Jazz' death more or less a way to establish Megatrons overall badassery? Almost mindlessly ripping apart a second-in-command sends a clear message.

Biggest mistake Bay made?

Er...

The mom-on-pot scene. Not very much like being-on-pot.

THE MOM

full stop

awful character and wasted so much screen time

shamone wrote:

RhA wrote:

5150 Cruiser wrote:

SlyTF1 wrote: Well, Jazz was killed because Poniac didn't want their product involved in a "war movie" (A bunch of punk ass b!*ches if you ask me.) So, they killed off Jazz. They could have just changed his alt mode to a company that wasn't a complete fudge wad.

And where is your proof? This makes absolutely no sense as Pontiac was a subtary of GM and considering they had no problems with Hummer, Chevy, and GMC being involved in a war movie, i don't see why they would decide any different for Pontiac. That, and if they were so concerned with it, they never would have had the Pontiac Brand involved in the movie in the first place.

Wasn't Jazz' death more or less a way to establish Megatrons overall badassery? Almost mindlessly ripping apart a second-in-command sends a clear message.

Biggest mistake Bay made?

Er...

The mom-on-pot scene. Not very much like being-on-pot.

THE MOM

full stop

awful character and wasted so much screen time

Yes. Most, if not all of that character is pointless.

Though I did approve of dad, he struck me as very 'Buster-y'.

RhA wrote:

shamone wrote:

RhA wrote:

5150 Cruiser wrote:

SlyTF1 wrote: Well, Jazz was killed because Poniac didn't want their product involved in a "war movie" (A bunch of punk ass b!*ches if you ask me.) So, they killed off Jazz. They could have just changed his alt mode to a company that wasn't a complete fudge wad.

And where is your proof? This makes absolutely no sense as Pontiac was a subtary of GM and considering they had no problems with Hummer, Chevy, and GMC being involved in a war movie, i don't see why they would decide any different for Pontiac. That, and if they were so concerned with it, they never would have had the Pontiac Brand involved in the movie in the first place.

Wasn't Jazz' death more or less a way to establish Megatrons overall badassery? Almost mindlessly ripping apart a second-in-command sends a clear message.

Biggest mistake Bay made?

Er...

The mom-on-pot scene. Not very much like being-on-pot.

THE MOM

full stop

awful character and wasted so much screen time

Yes. Most, if not all of that character is pointless.

Though I did approve of dad, he struck me as very 'Buster-y'.

sparkpluggy surely

he had the gruffness, the macho exterior, but also a heart of gold and brave

SlyTF1 wrote:

Capt.Failure wrote:

SlyTF1 wrote:

5150 Cruiser wrote:

SlyTF1 wrote: Well, Jazz was killed because Poniac didn't want their product involved in a "war movie" (A bunch of punk ass b!*ches if you ask me.) So, they killed off Jazz. They could have just changed his alt mode to a company that wasn't a complete fudge wad.

And where is your proof? This makes absolutely no sense as Pontiac was a subtary of GM and considering they had no problems with Hummer, Chevy, and GMC being involved in a war movie, i don't see why they would decide any different for Pontiac. That, and if they were so concerned with it, they never would have had the Pontiac Brand involved in the movie in the first place.

Look, I just heard that after the first movie was released.

That actually sounds more like the reason Volkswagon won't allow Hasbro to use their cars for a Bumblebee figure awhile back. They're a German company and their country is heavily into censorship of violence after all.

What!? I thought Germans where the most violent race of people! (Besides Russians) Damn, this is honestly shocking to me. I need a nap.

I thought all Germans killed people. I guess I was wrong.

Com'on man... "All Germans kill people."?? Really? Dude, you really need to think a bit more before posting ignorant things like this. Not cool.

Rodimus Prime wrote:Not including Grimlock in the films in one shape or another. biggest mistake anyone can make in any TF series. Bay said he didn't like the Dinobots, and that's fine. But couldn't he have Grimlock in there insome other form? He is a pretty major character. I mean, if Shockwave made it in, Grimlock should have. Glaring f**k-up on both Bay's and Kruger's part.

It wouldn't matter, Someone, somewhere would find something about him to bitch about if he was included. Wether it be his alt mode, or his robot design, they way he talks, etc.

5150 Cruiser wrote:

SlyTF1 wrote:

Capt.Failure wrote:

SlyTF1 wrote:

5150 Cruiser wrote:

SlyTF1 wrote: Well, Jazz was killed because Poniac didn't want their product involved in a "war movie" (A bunch of punk ass b!*ches if you ask me.) So, they killed off Jazz. They could have just changed his alt mode to a company that wasn't a complete fudge wad.

And where is your proof? This makes absolutely no sense as Pontiac was a subtary of GM and considering they had no problems with Hummer, Chevy, and GMC being involved in a war movie, i don't see why they would decide any different for Pontiac. That, and if they were so concerned with it, they never would have had the Pontiac Brand involved in the movie in the first place.

Look, I just heard that after the first movie was released.

That actually sounds more like the reason Volkswagon won't allow Hasbro to use their cars for a Bumblebee figure awhile back. They're a German company and their country is heavily into censorship of violence after all.

What!? I thought Germans where the most violent race of people! (Besides Russians) Damn, this is honestly shocking to me. I need a nap.

I thought all Germans killed people. I guess I was wrong.

Com'on man... "All Germans kill people."?? Really? Dude, you really need to think a bit more before posting ignorant things like this. Not cool.

Rodimus Prime wrote:Not including Grimlock in the films in one shape or another. biggest mistake anyone can make in any TF series. Bay said he didn't like the Dinobots, and that's fine. But couldn't he have Grimlock in there insome other form? He is a pretty major character. I mean, if Shockwave made it in, Grimlock should have. Glaring f**k-up on both Bay's and Kruger's part.

It wouldn't matter, Someone, somewhere would find something about him to bitch about if he was included. Wether it be his alt mode, or his robot design, they way he talks, etc.

I think he was joking. I hope he was

Glad no grimlock, seen bay wreck enough of my favourite characters, to see grimlock bayified would be the final insult

shamone wrote:

5150 Cruiser wrote:

SlyTF1'
wrote:What!? I thought Germans where the most violent race of people! (Besides Russians) Damn, this is honestly shocking to me. I need a nap.

I thought all Germans killed people. I guess I was wrong.

Com'on man... "All Germans kill people."?? Really? Dude, you really need to think a bit more before posting ignorant things like this. Not cool.

Rodimus Prime wrote:Not including Grimlock in the films in one shape or another. biggest mistake anyone can make in any TF series. Bay said he didn't like the Dinobots, and that's fine. But couldn't he have Grimlock in there insome other form? He is a pretty major character. I mean, if Shockwave made it in, Grimlock should have. Glaring f**k-up on both Bay's and Kruger's part.

It wouldn't matter, Someone, somewhere would find something about him to bitch about if he was included. Wether it be his alt mode, or his robot design, they way he talks, etc.

I think he was joking. I hope he was

Glad no grimlock, seen bay wreck enough of my favourite characters, to see grimlock bayified would be the final insult

Judging by this kids previous posts on here, i doubt it. But either way it doesn't matter. You don't joke like that.

As far as Grimlock, i wouldn't have mided seeming him as a gaint front end loader or dump truck. Something big, bulky and lumbering!

5150 Cruiser wrote:As far as Grimlock, i wouldn't have mided seeming him as a gaint front end loader or dump truck. Something big, bulky and lumbering!

I've always pictured a Non-Dino Grimlock (and by extension, the other Dinobots) as a military vehicle of some kind. Something that's big, bulky, and armed to the teeth (no pun intended).

The movies probably would have turned out better if someone else was directing, but i'm not going to complain to much. I tend to turn off that part of my brain whan watching any movie that involves explosions and fighting.

RhA wrote:
Biggest mistake Bay made?

Er...

The mom-on-pot scene. Not very much like being-on-pot.

I generally liked the parents, but, yeah, clearly written for a crowd that does not understand how pot works.

My list, in order of thought and not importance:

1) Bumblee lubricating on humans
2) Wheelie...pretty much in general, but especially the leg humping
3) Most of the Twins characters: For some reason, I could never get past the gold tooth....
4) Leo Spitz
5) Jetfire's rants about aging and his father being a wheel
6) All underwear shots of Simmons
7) Bumblebee's voice. (This is a hard one...I kind of like the way it plays out, I just don't find it plausible. If he can instantly find music to express his mood why don't they program some words into him, Hawking-style, to allow him to communicate? Before anyone jumps, I *know* why they did it like this, but in-fiction it doesn't add up to me.)

I won't put this on my "big mistake" list, but I really wish they had gone Soundwave and not Dr. Claw.

Overall, however, I really enjoyed the movies...when I took them for what they were and stopped being obsessed about continuity and details (which is not easy for me).

And they certainly brought new fans in; some of which really enjoyed every item on my list. I would change these things if they made an F Prime Special Edition, but found them very easy to ignore in-theater (and easy to FFWD through on DVD.)

F Prime wrote:I won't put this on my "big mistake" list, but I really wish they had gone Soundwave and not Dr. Claw.

Dr. Claw was voiced by Frank Welker... AKA Soundwave, in ROTF his voice wasn't vocoded.

HoundimusPrime wrote:

F Prime wrote:I won't put this on my "big mistake" list, but I really wish they had gone Soundwave and not Dr. Claw.

Dr. Claw was voiced by Frank Welker... AKA Soundwave, in ROTF his voice wasn't vocoded.

Oh, I know. That was the point I was making.

F Prime wrote:

HoundimusPrime wrote:

F Prime wrote:I won't put this on my "big mistake" list, but I really wish they had gone Soundwave and not Dr. Claw.

Dr. Claw was voiced by Frank Welker... AKA Soundwave, in ROTF his voice wasn't vocoded.

Oh, I know. That was the point I was making.

But we never did see Dr. Claw's face. What if Dr. Claw WAS Soundwave?

Capt.Failure wrote:But we never did see Dr. Claw's face. What if Dr. Claw WAS Soundwave?

Behold...! Dr. Claw!

Tekka wrote:

Capt.Failure wrote:But we never did see Dr. Claw's face. What if Dr. Claw WAS Soundwave?

Behold...! Dr. Claw!

Not canon. Sorry.

It's an official product, it's canon enough. Not that I'm all about the serious business of Inspector Gadget canon, ya know. Some things are just funny to look at.

Tekka wrote:It's an official product, it's canon enough. Not that I'm all about the serious business of Inspector Gadget canon, ya know. Some things are just funny to look at.

I know, I'm just being silly.

You want to know what Bay's biggest mistake was? Listening to freaking society and the fudge bags who define a "good" movie. I hate that term. "Good movie" WTF is a good movie? Damn society planting their BS images and definitions into people's minds and they don't even realize they're being brainwashed. Who cares if you don't find the movies "good"? I guarantee you there's someone out there who thinks differently.

I would have a lot more respect for Bay if he would had just made the movies the way he wanted I know he's trying to listen to the fans and the people who actually go to see the movies, but it's just tearing everything apart. DOTM will be too short and he cut out the twins (Who of which I liked), and toned down the explosions. What about the 77% of people who liked the first movies? Where's their satisfaction?

Directing them.

Tekka wrote:It's an official product, it's canon enough. Not that I'm all about the serious business of Inspector Gadget canon, ya know. Some things are just funny to look at.

It's even part of the SNES inspector gadget video game as thats exactly what Dr Claw looks like in the final battle.

Capt.Failure wrote:

Tekka wrote:

Capt.Failure wrote:But we never did see Dr. Claw's face. What if Dr. Claw WAS Soundwave?

Behold...! Dr. Claw!

Not canon. Sorry.

Excuse the threadjack for a moment.

MOTHER-OF-HOLY-JESUS THATS THE FACE OF DR. CLAW.


I'll never be the same again.

... was being a part of them and everything else that happened as a result of his involvement.

This might be slightly off topic but still somewhat relevant. In the movie, some robots are depicted as being smarter than others which leads me to ask, are they robots that are sentient or are they sentient beings that happen to occupy a robot body?