The Energon Pub

[Burn]

With The Face of Boe appearing in this week's ep it reminded me of even more coincidences.

The Face of Boe has appeared in one of the first three eps since DW returned three years ago.

They also travelled to old England in the third episode of the first series as well.

Must be some obsession with travelling back to old England in the first three eps.

[Darth Bombshell]

Must be some obsession with travelling back to old England in the first three eps.

Or a need to not stretch the show's budget...

And sorry to hear about Dave Martin. That does suck verily.

[Wing Zero Custom]

Wow, that was a nasty traffic jam in that episode.

[Private_Random]

Another average episode.

Kinda disappointed that these first couple of episodes don't exactly have that full aderaline as the second series had.

Also the return of the Macra was kinda....well...pants. :/

But being positive, the special effects and the music in this series has been fantastic thus far.

Roll on the Daleks next week.

[Phaze]

Was a good ep i liked Doogal as Branigan the face of boe was an important player in the ep the old fella gave it his all in it.

[Matrix.]

Nice to see the Macra back. I'll disagree though and say that it was a good episode.

Season one for me had the best 'aeverage' episodes, whilst an 'average' episode for season 2 was often poor (The Idiot's Lantern, Love and Monsters). However, I believe that series 2, when they got their game on and produced good episodes, they were truly *excellent*.

... so, as far as series 3 goes, if these are 'average' episodes, it's beating season 2 quite well indeed.

[Cyber Bishop]

I just started my DL of S3 EP 3.. It should be completed by tomorrow.

[Darth Bombshell]

Roll on the Daleks next week.

Whoop-dee-friggin'-doo.

I'm sorry, but the use of the Daleks kinda devalues every time they're used. It's kinda pointless to have hyped out the Time War as much as they did in the first series if they keep making appearances every season, regardless of how popular they are.

Oh, and I just looked up the episode's entry on Wikipedia. As far as the Face of Boe's last words...they might as well have been "The Master is alive", cause that's what they've gone and done.

[Burn]

I thought it was a pretty good episode, but what suprised me the most is the damn tears I shed for The Face of Boe!

I never realised how much i'd come to like the character and he's only appeared in three episodes and didn't have that much of a major role in them!

Not suprising he said "You are not alone", if we still had the old thread i'm pretty sure most of us had that one pegged.

Of course they could throw a complete curveball and have it mean that he's not alone, he does have Martha and all the rumours of The Master have been just that, rumours.

[Exulted Unicron]

the Face of Boe's line could also refer to Romana or The Rani, not just The Master, who was supposedly killed by being sucked into the Eye of Harmony

[Burn]

It could refer to ANY Time Lord really.

HOWEVER, in the novels Romana actually returned to Gallifrey and was present when Gallifrey was erased from existance. So it really comes down to how much they're going to borrow from the novels.

But pretty much all rumours are pointing towards The Master.

[Exulted Unicron]

and it could be the Master, since Mister Saxon is an anagram of Master No Six

a 6th master perhaps?

[Burn]

Technically 7th

Though you probably can't count Gordon Tipple's appearance as he's suppose to represent Anthony Ainley's regeneration, and Peter Pratt and Geoffrey Beevers essentially played the same regeneration, thus technically making it only the 5th Master.

1 - Delgador
2 - Pratt/Beevers
3 - Ainley/Tipple
4 - Roberts
5 - Simm

Speaking of Simm, anyone watch Life on Mars? He doesn't quite seem like the sort of actor who could pull of The Master.

[Phaze]

Technically 7th

Though you probably can't count Gordon Tipple's appearance as he's suppose to represent Anthony Ainley's regeneration, and Peter Pratt and Geoffrey Beevers essentially played the same regeneration, thus technically making it only the 5th Master.

1 - Delgador
2 - Pratt/Beevers
3 - Ainley/Tipple
4 - Roberts
5 - Simm

Speaking of Simm, anyone watch Life on Mars? He doesn't quite seem like the sort of actor who could pull of The Master.

yeah i watched life on mars good fun stuff your right thou i'm not sure he could pull of the master but then i didn't think tennant could pull off being the doctor and look how that turned out

[Cyber Bishop]

There are some good speculations in this thread...

http://www.gallifreyone.com/forum/showt ... p?t=124956


And some good possible spoilers for the next episode here.

http://www.gallifreyone.com/forum/showt ... p?t=124946


I have to say that pretty much everyone over there guessed what Face of Boe's last 4 words would be..

Now it is just a matter of time to see exactly what he was talking about. I have to say that I really enjoyed this episode.

[Insurgent]

Alot better than last week's ep. The doc finally realised Martha is not just a 'rebound' and will perhaps start taking her more seriously now, especially since he opened up to her about Gallifrey (something he never did on screen with Rose). I too felt a pang of sorrow for the Face of Boe, shame to see the big guy go.

As for these Daleks, they have been overused. It was exciting when that lone one appeared and then the army at the end of the season, but they are becoming what the Borg became to ST: Voyager. True menaces that are overused and defeated in pathetic ways that lead to a letdown, considering how much backsotry and danger they represent. At least they aren't being kept as the season finale this time. Bring on the dodgy New York accents next week.

Has it been stated/written about exactly how Gallifrey was destroyed? I gather it was the end of the Time War, but do we know specifics that lead to it's destruction? and what year it happened in?

[Exulted Unicron]

Technically 7th

Though you probably can't count Gordon Tipple's appearance as he's suppose to represent Anthony Ainley's regeneration, and Peter Pratt and Geoffrey Beevers essentially played the same regeneration, thus technically making it only the 5th Master.

1 - Delgador
2 - Pratt/Beevers
3 - Ainley/Tipple
4 - Roberts
5 - Simm

Speaking of Simm, anyone watch Life on Mars? He doesn't quite seem like the sort of actor who could pull of The Master.

I guess they couldn't find a name suitable to make a Master No Seven from at the time then

[Stormwolf]

Well, there's atleast 1 timelord who could have easily survived the timewar.

I'm refering to Omega, he's been cut off from Gallifrey since the Timelords came to be. His current state would set him outside of normal space and time (like a voidship).


The Master and the Rani are tricky, but either of them could still be around.

And then there's another one who could have made it despite his half sleeping state. Yep, it's Rassilon, he gained the power of immortality and the ability to send objects through time without a Tardis.

[Burn]

Thing is, Omega, Rassilon, Rani, Romana, to a casual DW watcher they wouldn't be much. However The Master would be more well known.

Which is why it's logical for it to be him. Feel free to throw that curveball though RTD ...

[Cyber Bishop]

Thing is, Omega, Rassilon, Rani, Romana,

It would be nice to see president Romana...

[Darth Bombshell]

Thing is, Omega, Rassilon, Rani, Romana, to a casual DW watcher they wouldn't be much.

Yeah, just like the casual viewer knows the Macra as well as the Cybermen, Daleks and the Autons.

Oh, wait a sec...no, they wouldn't. Especially since their one and only appearance is on the list of "Doctor Who Destroyed Serials", only about thirty seconds of which actually remains, meaning they don't really have an opportunity to find out.

Of course, not knowing who they are didn't stop RTD from dropping them into "Gridlock" (and referencing said adventure, to boot), did it?

[Burn]

I sure as heck didn't know who they were and simply wrote them off as one of the many different alien species The Doctor has encountered over the years.

[Darth Bombshell]

I sure as heck didn't know who they were and simply wrote them off as one of the many different alien species The Doctor has encountered over the years.

Yeah, they were. But I honestly think that RTD really has reached the bottom of his ideas bag if he thinks bringing back that old of a baddie is a good idea. It's either that or for fan service, which is not exactly a better option, either.

And speaking of those last thirty seconds of "The Macra Terror", here they are.

As for these Daleks, they have been overused. It was exciting when that lone one appeared and then the army at the end of the season, but they are becoming what the Borg became to ST: Voyager. True menaces that are overused and defeated in pathetic ways that lead to a letdown, considering how much backsotry and danger they represent.

I absolutely agree with you. The Daleks were great back in "Dalek", were only marginally good in "Bad Wolf/Parting of the Ways" and while their appearance in "Army of Ghosts/Doomsday" was about their best appearance ever, I kinda was hoping that it would be the end. But RTD just had to play that "dues ex machina" card again...

Has it been stated/written about exactly how Gallifrey was destroyed? I gather it was the end of the Time War, but do we know specifics that lead to it's destruction? and what year it happened in?

Not really. For all its importance, the Time War really has been glossed over in the new series (mostly because, IMHO, it's little more than a plot device to rid the new series of loads of backstory), but all we know was that Daleks and Time Lords wiped each other out (though that's not exactly true anymore) and it caused the Eighth Doctor to regenerate to the Ninth.

[Burn]

I'm really torn with the whole Dalek issue.

I do like seeing them.

However, they were suppose to have been wiped out. Yet three seasons now they keep coming back.

One got lost, fell to Earth. Fair enough.

Emperor got lost, went into hiding. Okay, starting to push it.

Cult of Skaro had brains and went into hiding ... and were promptly exterminated themselves, with the exception of Sec. Pushing it again.

At least in the old series you knew they were out there, the Dalek threat was always hanging over the Doctor's head. Now, now it's not so much of a threat but more of an inevitability that the Daleks are going to turn up and be defeated.

So here's what i'd like to see, Sec escapes, lives in hiding, reappears when Tennant is leaving so that he can exterminate The Doctor and trigger the regeneration.

Come on ... isn't it time Doc got hit with a good old fashioned Dalek extermination ray?

[Cyber Bishop]

Yeah, just like the casual viewer knows the Macra as well as the Cybermen, Daleks and the Autons.

For the casual viewer that may not know where the Macara come from...


http://www.recons.com/recons/lc01.htm