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I'm not usually one to call my government a bunch of half-brained Luddites who would rather curtail civil liberties instead of finding a reasonable solution but...well...

It seems the government is a bunch of half-brained Luddites who would rather curtail civil liberties instead of finding a reasonable solution. Their latest attempt at stopping online piracy is the aptly named "Stop Online Piracy Act." Essentially this would cause the government to block sites with "infringing links" or other content that would otherwise be Fair Use under the DMCA from viewing by anyone in the United States.

If that sounds awfully familiar, then you probably know China, Iran, and Sybia do the exact same thing.

Chances are, it'll die. Obama is probably tech savvy enough to know to veto this, and even if he doesn't the Supreme Court has to realize this is a horrible violation of the first amendment.

i was just reading this, and im quite pissed off about it. these politicians hardly know anything about the internet and yet they are trying to control it.

Doubledealer93 wrote:i was just reading this, and im quite pissed off about it. these politicians hardly know anything about the internet and yet they are trying to control it.

Oh, I forgot the worst part. Apparently breaking any part of this law comes with a felony and a 5-year sentence. So, you upload one too many videos of yourself doing a cover of a song on Youtube, you are a felon. You know it's bad when they make me agree with something Justin Bieber said.

This is just another step towards Communism.

If this law gets passed, YouTube will be shut down.

I don't want that.

prowl123 wrote:This is just another step towards Communism.

If this law gets passed, YouTube will be shut down.

I don't want that.

Looks like you don't know what Communism is.
In Communism there is no intellectual property or Copyright and you can do what ever the hell you want with it.
This law would be one step closer to a corporate police state.

Dead Metal wrote:

prowl123 wrote:This is just another step towards Communism.

If this law gets passed, YouTube will be shut down.

I don't want that.

Looks like you don't know what Communism is.
In Communism there is no intellectual property or Copyright and you can do what ever the hell you want with it.
This law would be one step closer to a corporate police state.

Yeah, but communism sounds scarier, doesn't it? In fact, Youtube is a lot closer to communism ideal then shutting it down is.

Dead Metal wrote:

prowl123 wrote:This is just another step towards Communism.

If this law gets passed, YouTube will be shut down.

I don't want that.

Looks like you don't know what Communism is.
In Communism there is no intellectual property or Copyright and you can do what ever the hell you want with it.
This law would be one step closer to a corporate police state.

I believe the word is Fascism.

At first reading I thought you were refering to this Shadowman: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=citzRjwk-sQ

But upon re-reading your first post, I realise it is different (though not entirely). Honestly all it is essentially is Facism, governments trying to control the populus AND without the public's consent. Since when were politicians voted in based on how much they could annoy the public? Also, have they not considered someone or something will inevitably design a program to get around their block? It really ****s me off how out of touch/power crazed some politicians can be.

Dead Metal wrote:

prowl123 wrote:This is just another step towards Communism.

If this law gets passed, YouTube will be shut down.

I don't want that.

Looks like you don't know what Communism is.
In Communism there is no intellectual property or Copyright and you can do what ever the hell you want with it.
This law would be one step closer to a corporate police state.

I'm freaking 13, dude! All I know about Communism is that the government controls everything.

prowl123 wrote:All I know about Communism is that the government controls everything.

This is true, but think of it like this: 'Commun'ism as in 'commun'ity, ie sharing between people/within the country. Adding what you know about communism, we get the government sharing everything equally between everyone.

It's kind of a generalisation of the premise. Don't be fooled though, it sounds like a great idea when I word it's premise like that, but it is not like that at all in actually. Democracy (or Capitalism in this case) is the way to go.

Hot air, nothing but hot air.

I've seen the infographic on the matter and quite frankly all I have to say is this:

It doesn't tell me what the law exactly says!

To me, this is nothing more than a repeat of what people do best: sow fear and reap panic (especially with the comparison with the "scary", even "evil" states of Iran, Syria and China). While I'm against piracy, I also recognise the fact the internet is far too big to be restrained and controlled like a wild animal. Attempts are already being made to take copyright infringing sites off the air, with The Pirate Bay being a good example. That's good enough for me for now, since that already falls under international copyright protection. That and education on what's OK to do (Try Before You Buy anyone? ), and especially what's not.

On the side, Syria, Iran and China use the censorship for a whole different purpose: to prevent the populace from uprising under the guise of "protecting traditional values". So the comparison is rendered moot.

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:Hot air, nothing but hot air.

I've seen the infographic on the matter and quite frankly all I have to say is this:

It doesn't tell me what the law exactly says!

To me, this is nothing more than a repeat of what people do best: sow fear and reap panic (especially with the comparison with the "scary", even "evil" states of Iran, Syria and China). While I'm against piracy, I also recognise the fact the internet is far too big to be restrained and controlled like a wild animal. Attempts are already being made to take copyright infringing sites off the air, with The Pirate Bay being a good example. That's good enough for me for now, since that already falls under international copyright protection. That and education on what's OK to do (Try Before You Buy anyone? ), and especially what's not.

On the side, Syria, Iran and China use the censorship for a whole different purpose: to prevent the populace from uprising under the guise of "protecting traditional values". So the comparison is rendered moot.

It would make unauthorized streaming (I.e. uploading to youtube anything you don't own) a felony with a 5-year sentence. So, no, nothing about this is right. Nothing would be Fair Use anymore, and YouTube, for instance, would basically be destroyed.

I hate the Government. Almost as much as I hate the PETA. Almost as much as I hate everything.

Shadowman wrote:

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:Hot air, nothing but hot air.

I've seen the infographic on the matter and quite frankly all I have to say is this:

It doesn't tell me what the law exactly says!

To me, this is nothing more than a repeat of what people do best: sow fear and reap panic (especially with the comparison with the "scary", even "evil" states of Iran, Syria and China). While I'm against piracy, I also recognise the fact the internet is far too big to be restrained and controlled like a wild animal. Attempts are already being made to take copyright infringing sites off the air, with The Pirate Bay being a good example. That's good enough for me for now, since that already falls under international copyright protection. That and education on what's OK to do (Try Before You Buy anyone? ), and especially what's not.

On the side, Syria, Iran and China use the censorship for a whole different purpose: to prevent the populace from uprising under the guise of "protecting traditional values". So the comparison is rendered moot.

It would make unauthorized streaming (I.e. uploading to youtube anything you don't own) a felony with a 5-year sentence. So, no, nothing about this is right. Nothing would be Fair Use anymore, and YouTube, for instance, would basically be destroyed.

Just that? Sounds more like pecking away at a rock with a needle, like in The Phantom Tollbooth

If they actually do this, I'm moving to Cuba.

(I'm not going to use color anymore)

This will not pass. The Internet cannot be controlled. And unless the govs want Anonymous to rick roll the entire country and send the white house a thousand or so anchovy pizzas, they should probably back out.

prowl123 wrote:If they actually do this, I'm moving to Cuba.

(I'm not going to use color anymore)

I'm moving to Britain.

SlyTF1 wrote:

prowl123 wrote:If they actually do this, I'm moving to Cuba.

(I'm not going to use color anymore)

I'm moving to Britain.

Then you didn't get the joke.

I'm not moving to Cuba, dumb@$$. I'm going to Australia.

prowl123 wrote:

SlyTF1 wrote:

prowl123 wrote:If they actually do this, I'm moving to Cuba.

(I'm not going to use color anymore)

I'm moving to Britain.

Then you didn't get the joke.

I'm not moving to Cuba, dumb@$$. I'm going to Australia.

You're 13, that doesn't give you a reason to be rude.

Secondly, you might want to do a little research on places you plan to move to if you're going to move over internet restrictions.

Well, if it wasn't before it's official now that the people running Hollywood, related entertainment corporations, and whoever else is trying to push this are complete idiots. Unless they've got websites planned to take over for the ones, many of which are major revenue sources, they'll essentially cripple with this bill, I doubt they planned that far ahead.

Burn wrote:

prowl123 wrote:

SlyTF1 wrote:

prowl123 wrote:If they actually do this, I'm moving to Cuba.

(I'm not going to use color anymore)

I'm moving to Britain.

Then you didn't get the joke.

I'm not moving to Cuba, dumb@$$. I'm going to Australia.

You're 13, that doesn't give you a reason to be rude.

Secondly, you might want to do a little research on places you plan to move to if you're going to move over internet restrictions.

Burn, it's OK. Let him go to Cuba.

I just realised, this could totally **** up this site too.

Dead Metal wrote:I just realized, this could totally **** up this site too.

Any big TF site could be taken down if Paramount thought it was stealing their products (ie, the movies) somehow.

http://staff.tumblr.com/post/1293007612 ... oric-thing

http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2011/1 ... ting-bill/

"Google, Facebook, LinkedIn, AOL, Yahoo, eBay, Mozilla, the Electronic Frontier Foundation, the American Civil Liberties Union and a host of other groups and companies oppose the measure, saying the bill will break the internet as we know it."

Also I'd imagine Hasbro would probably intervene if Paramount gets that stupid idea.

Burn wrote:

prowl123 wrote:

SlyTF1 wrote:

prowl123 wrote:If they actually do this, I'm moving to Cuba.

(I'm not going to use color anymore)

I'm moving to Britain.

Then you didn't get the joke.

I'm not moving to Cuba, dumb@$$. I'm going to Australia.

You're 13, that doesn't give you a reason to be rude.

Secondly, you might want to do a little research on places you plan to move to if you're going to move over internet restrictions.

You don't get it either.

Cuba is communist. I.e, the government controls everything. If the government here starts controlling the internet, it would be pretty similar to Communist.

BTW, I live in the freaking hood! Nobody can tell me if I have reasons to be rude, *possible racism warning* and I'm not even black!

prowl123 wrote:You don't get it either.

Cuba is communist. I.e, the government controls everything. If the government here starts controlling the internet, it would be pretty similar to Communist.

Clearly you don't know anything about communism outside of the government control aspect, and even then, just the basics. And also nothing about Cuba itself, which is a total craphole compared to the US.