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Elita One wrote:The copies of S and Super S I own are "gray market" so to speak and the Stars series is a download that my friend gave me and it's quality ain't the best imo. So a proper set will be snaped by me asap don't care how much.

That's why I'm getting all my releases from SailorMoonCenter.net. They're subbing the whole series from the R2 high quality remastered DVDs.

Thus far, I've acquired all of Classic sofsubbed, all of Sailor Stars softsubbed, all three movies softsubbed, all five special shorts hardsubbed(though they plan to release softsubbed versions of these later on), the movie extras, and the first Memorial softsubbed.

I've watched their releases of Dreaming Moon, the interview with Naoko, and the triple seiyuu interview with Rei's/Ami's/Naru's voice actresses, all on their youTube channel; but I have yet to download them for myself, as I'm still not sure if I want these for myself.

Coming soon is their release of the first R episodes.

(BTW, it's "SuperS", pronounced as "supers", not "Super S" )

I'm just gonna wait and see if new ones get released. I've still got the old DVDs, and those are good enough for me at the moment.

RK_Striker_JK_5 wrote:I've still got the old DVDs, and those are good enough for me at the moment.

Some of us never got the original DVD's, so I'll be happy when they get re-released. I mean, if they can re-release Dragon Ball Z (which was going on at the same time as Sailor Moon, remember), it really seems like a no-brainer. And the best part is that we can get them unedited, considering attitudes on anime have changed since then.

Sabrblade wrote: Sailor Moon was dubbed by Canadians.

Yup. Not only that, but we also were instrumental in getting the S and Super S series over to North America. Ratings for the show on Cartoon Network were never good, but they were good enough on YTV to justify getting the remaining R episodes dubbed, which led to them bringing over S and Super S later.

On another note, it's interesting to see the voice actors in different roles. A while ago, I had watched a movie called "Hello Mary Lou: Prom Night 2" and had noticed that one of the characters had a voice that sounded familiar. When the end credits rolled, I was surprised to learn that the character was played by Terri Hawkes, who was Sailor Moon's second (and most well known) voice actor. Later on I learned that Wendy Lyon (the film's main protagonist) was the second dub voice of Queen Serenity.

Darth Bombshell wrote:

RK_Striker_JK_5 wrote:I've still got the old DVDs, and those are good enough for me at the moment.

Some of us never got the original DVD's, so I'll be happy when they get re-released. I mean, if they can re-release Dragon Ball Z (which was going on at the same time as Sailor Moon, remember), it really seems like a no-brainer. And the best part is that we can get them unedited, considering attitudes on anime have changed since then.

Easier said than done, my friend. DBZ is in a whole different league that Sailor Moon is. The North American license to DBZ has not been lost, and therefore the rights to release and distribute new DVDs of the series are still active.

On the other hand, Sailor Moon has not been put up for for a rerelease due to the loss of the North American license to do so. Until Toei allows someone to acquire the rights, the Sailor Moon anime cannot have a North American DVD rerelease. But Toei isn't going to let go of Sailor Moon so easily.

Sabrblade wrote:Easier said than done, my friend. DBZ is in a whole different league that Sailor Moon is. The North American license to DBZ has not been lost, and therefore the rights to release and distribute new DVDs of the series are still active.

On the other hand, Sailor Moon has not been put up for for a rerelease due to the loss of the North American license to do so. Until Toei allows someone to acquire the rights, the Sailor Moon anime cannot have a North American DVD rerelease. But Toei isn't going to let go of Sailor Moon so easily.

Well, considering the fact that DBZ has apparently done so well, and if the Italy revival goes well, maybe that'll convince Toei to do something about it. I remember seeing the movies dirt cheap at a London Drugs one time. I still hate myself for not snapping them up.

Darth Bombshell wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:Easier said than done, my friend. DBZ is in a whole different league that Sailor Moon is. The North American license to DBZ has not been lost, and therefore the rights to release and distribute new DVDs of the series are still active.

On the other hand, Sailor Moon has not been put up for for a rerelease due to the loss of the North American license to do so. Until Toei allows someone to acquire the rights, the Sailor Moon anime cannot have a North American DVD rerelease. But Toei isn't going to let go of Sailor Moon so easily.

Well, considering the fact that DBZ has apparently done so well, and if the Italy revival goes well, maybe that'll convince Toei to do something about it. I remember seeing the movies dirt cheap at a London Drugs one time. I still hate myself for not snapping them up.

but you can't really compare Sailro Moon to DBZ since DBZ hasn't really ever stopped going. It's been producing new video games for the past several years, and it's even got another anime (Dragon Ball Kai) that's currently going (even if it is something of a remake).

Sailor Moon, however, has been dead for years.

Only now is it making a comeback in Japan (with episodes rebroadcasted on one channel and a repackaged DVD release) and Italy. Fans have been wanting it back for years, but nothing ever came out of it till now. DBZ, however, has remained alive despite it no longer being on U.S. television.

RK_Striker_JK_5 wrote:Not sure, Coughler. Never been much into the monetary value, just the coolness of the stuff.

Okay, some more info on my SW/SM crossover...

Over 25,000 years ago, the tyrant Xim the Despot ruled the spacelanes. He was a powerful 'sorceror', skilled in the ways of the newly-discovered Force. His armies were defeated, but he escaped. Seven priestesses tracked him down to Tatooine, where over the course of three days he was finally worn down and defeated, but they did not have the power to destroy his spirit. So it was sealed away into a Sword.

The priestesses knew that they would be reborn, so they put part of their life force into a crystal that was broken into seven shards and scattered across the galaxy. They knew when the time was right, it would be reunited and Xim's spirit would finally be destroyed.

I promised myself I wasn't coming back in here, but then I did, and I said I wasn't going to post, then I see this and the SW nerd in me kicks it into high gear:

At the time of the discovery of the Force (25,783 BBY), the Galaxy itself was ruled by the Rakata Infinite Empire. They also held the monopoly on Hyperdrive engines which were, at the time, Force-powered. (Rakatans were, themselves, naturally Force Sensitive) Normal Hyperdrives didn't exist until Corellia got around the prohibitive Force-powering in 25,053 BBY, at which point the Rakatan Infinite Empire had already fallen. (Due to losing their connection to the Force) This was about the same time as the Galactic Republic took control of the Galaxy. Likewise, Tatooine wasn't discovered until 5000 BBY.

But this is a fan fiction and it doesn't even matter. I'm just a nerd who can't let misuse of canon go.

Shadowman wrote:I promised myself I wasn't coming back in here, but then I did, and I said I wasn't going to post, then I see this and the SW nerd in me kicks it into high gear:

One cannot resist the power of the awesomeness that is the Sailor Moon series. This topic is driven by such power.

Shadowman wrote:But this is a fan fiction and it doesn't even matter. I'm just a nerd who can't let misuse of canon go.

Me too! I dislike it when canon is either disregarded or reworked to suit the form of non-canonical works (unless such disregards were stated to be intentional with the work not needing to be taken as seriously as, say, an official piece of work).

But on this particular piece of fanfiction, I can't comment on such matters, as I'm not as fluent in SW fiction outside the movies and some of the TV cartoon shows.

Sabrblade wrote:One cannot resist the power of the awesomeness that is the Sailor Moon series. This topic is driven by such power.

Especially considering it's mostly the same two people who post, right?

Darth Bombshell wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:One cannot resist the power of the awesomeness that is the Sailor Moon series. This topic is driven by such power.

Especially considering it's mostly the same two people who post, right?

Well, before I came along, it was mostly being driven by (the user currently known as) Ronny the Mighty and... well, several users with high ranks.

Sabrblade wrote:Well, before I came along, it was mostly being driven by (the user currently known as) Ronny the Mighty and... well, several users with high ranks.

I always wanted to contribute a lot more than I did originally, but I really did seem out of my depth, considering you and Striker were more versed in the series than I was.

Darth Bombshell wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:Well, before I came along, it was mostly being driven by (the user currently known as) Ronny the Mighty and... well, several users with high ranks.

I always wanted to contribute a lot more than I did originally, but I really did seem out of my depth, considering you and Striker were more versed in the series than I was.

I think I was even moreso that Ronny, and he's the the guy who started this whole topic.

I think the reason I've seen so much of this series is because I went through it all at once within the Summer of 2009.

Since I missed a huge amount of the show during its broadcast airings, I went and watched the dub and sub simultaneously. First I watched the dubbed episode 1, then the subbed episode 1, then the cut episode 2 subbed, then episode 3 dubbed, then episode 3 subbed, then episode 4 dubbed, then episode 4 subbed, and so on and so forth. Alternating between dubbed and subbed versions of episodes, watching first the dub and then the sub, and watching the sub of the cut episodes in their proper placements.

And after finishing R, S, and SuperS, I watched each version of their respective movies and short specials as well, before proceeding to the next season.

And when I finished all of the anime, I went on to watch all of the Tokusatsu subbed as well, including all of its episodes, its two special episodes, its two special shorts, its live stage performance (which I regret seeing), and its DVD special segments

Long story short, I literally watched 470 episodes, 8 movies, 7 shorts, 13 DVD segments, and one stage performance all within two months.

And then I went on to "read" all of the manga: 52 main chapters, 10 sidestory chapters, and 15 chapters of Codename: Sailor V (the prequel manga).

After all this (meaning after the Summer of 2009 had ended), I eventually saw some more extras like the Dreaming Moon special subbed, the Naoko interview from the laserdiscs subbed, the three seiyuu interview from the laserdiscs subbed, the PGSM preview subbed, and the first Memorial subbed.

And despite all this, there's still more stuff out there I have yet to see (the other four Memorials, any other interviews or DVD/laserdisc extras, any of the Sera Myu performances, etc.).



But evens still, as I stated in a previous post:

Sabrblade wrote:I refuse to let this thread die.

I'd quote the post, but really, all I can say is...wow.

Darth Bombshell wrote:

RK_Striker_JK_5 wrote:I've still got the old DVDs, and those are good enough for me at the moment.

Some of us never got the original DVD's, so I'll be happy when they get re-released. I mean, if they can re-release Dragon Ball Z (which was going on at the same time as Sailor Moon, remember), it really seems like a no-brainer. And the best part is that we can get them unedited, considering attitudes on anime have changed since then.

Which is why I'd love for it to be re-released again anyway. Besides, I could use a good dub of it.

Shadowman, I wrote the fic way before KOTOR came about. Not to mention I kinda took the entirety of the post Young Jedi Knights series-the New Jeedi order, Dark nest and Legacy of the jedi-and tossed it out on its rear end. The Vong invaded-and Sailor Saturn went ape-slag on them.

Darth Bombshell wrote:I'd quote the post, but really, all I can say is...wow.

Yeah... I was practically glued to the computer during that time (but when am I not?)

There's more Sailor Moon media and stuff out there than we may ever know about.

Though, I never want to have to watch the old DiC and Cloverway dubs ever again.

Sabrblade wrote:Though, I never want to have to watch the old DiC and Cloverway dubs ever again.

The dub isn't "bad", it's just not as good as the original anime or manga. DiC just took the attitude that "this is children's/girl's stuff" with it (which anyone who watched the original will tell you is absolute bunk) which sealed its fate as far as it being able to be taken seriously. (I rarely admit openly that I watch the show on account of that.)

RK_Striker_JK_5 wrote:Shadowman, I wrote the fic way before KOTOR came about. Not to mention I kinda took the entirety of the post Young Jedi Knights series-the New Jeedi order, Dark nest and Legacy of the jedi-and tossed it out on its rear end. The Vong invaded-and Sailor Saturn went ape-slag on them.

I know. It was awesome. (And in case that didn't make it clear, yes, Striker. I am one of the people who reads your stuff over @ TheForce.net MB. )

I have a special place in my heart for the season one and two dub. And in an odd way... I think I prefer the Luna dub voice. It just makes sense to me for her to be older as she's their mentor and trainer.

Darth Bombshell wrote:
I know. It was awesome. (And in case that didn't make it clear, yes, Striker. I am one of the people who reads your stuff over @ TheForce.net MB. )

TIEPilot, right? And thanks.

The way I see it, I see different things when I look at the dubs and original.

When I look at the DiC dubs of Classic and R, I see a children's cartoon show I used to watch as a kid, but not anymore.

When I look at the Cloverway dubs of S and SuperS, I see an anime dub that's trying to appeal to the fans of the original, but only succeeding at halfway.

When I look at the original, I see a beautiful anime story full of action, drama, comedy, excitement, and fun, that is a guilty pleasure for me to watch.

RK_Striker_JK_5 wrote:And in an odd way... I think I prefer the Luna dub voice. It just makes sense to me for her to be older as she's their mentor and trainer.

Does it even still make sense in the S movie, the Lover of Princess Kaguya manga story, or the Yume arc of the manga, where her human form reveals her to be about the age of a 15-year-old girl?

This is why I highly prefer Luna's Japanese voice. She a young character, not a British nanny. She's supposed to be at an age that's one year older than Usagi, yet the dub turned her into Mrs. Doubtfire.

This is also why I'm not too keen on Sailor Luna being a young child in PGSM. I'll admit her character was still true to the Luna that we know and love, but she's not supposed to be a kid.

Sabrblade wrote:When I look at the DiC dubs of Classic and R, I see a children's cartoon show I used to watch as a kid, but not anymore.

As I said, that's the big problem with it. DiC tried to make it something that it wasn't, and even though it worked (well, enough to get S and Super S to the US when no one appeared to want to), it didn't exactly please hardcore purists.

Sabrblade wrote:This is also why I'm not too keen on Sailor Luna being a young child in PGSM. I'll admit her character was still true to the Luna that we know and love, but she's not supposed to be a kid.

I suppose that's meant to be an analog of Chibiusa, since they obviously couldn't import the character wholesale.

Darth Bombshell wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:This is also why I'm not too keen on Sailor Luna being a young child in PGSM. I'll admit her character was still true to the Luna that we know and love, but she's not supposed to be a kid.

I suppose that's meant to be an analog of Chibiusa, since they obviously couldn't import the character wholesale.

But that's just it. It wasn't Chibiusa, and bringing her into the Dark Kingdom arc wouldn't have worked out. Sailor Luna acted more like a replacement Senshi, as I can't trecall there being any point in the series where all five Sailor Senshi fought and worked together. When one was missing, Sailor Luna took her place to make it five.

Sabrblade wrote:But that's just it. It wasn't Chibiusa, and bringing her into the Dark Kingdom arc wouldn't have worked out. Sailor Luna acted more like a replacement Senshi, as I can't trecall there being any point in the series where all five Sailor Senshi fought and worked together. When one was missing, Sailor Luna took her place to make it five.

I think it goes back to the tokusatsu tradition of adding a new character with super awesome powers that eclipses the others (Much like what happened in Power Rangers), not to mention to appeal to the kid friendly audience the character obviously provided. (Especially considering the fact that the story from her introduction onward got progressively darker.)

Darth Bombshell wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:But that's just it. It wasn't Chibiusa, and bringing her into the Dark Kingdom arc wouldn't have worked out. Sailor Luna acted more like a replacement Senshi, as I can't trecall there being any point in the series where all five Sailor Senshi fought and worked together. When one was missing, Sailor Luna took her place to make it five.

I think it goes back to the tokusatsu tradition of adding a new character with super awesome powers that eclipses the others (Much like what happened in Power Rangers), not to mention to appeal to the kid friendly audience the character obviously provided. (Especially considering the fact that the story from her introduction onward got progressively darker.)

Definitely the latter and not the former. Sailor Luna was, if nothing else, weaker than the other Sailor Senshi. Her Luna Sucre Candy attack could only do so much (the most it did was destroy but one single Youma) and her fan weapon wasn't very effective in battle (other than just wacking her enemies with it).

Even Naoko's artwork of Sailor Luna and her human civilian form look to be about the proper age of Luna (but with much shorter hair than her anime and manga human forms).

Sabrblade wrote:

RK_Striker_JK_5 wrote:And in an odd way... I think I prefer the Luna dub voice. It just makes sense to me for her to be older as she's their mentor and trainer.

Does it even still make sense in the S movie, the Lover of Princess Kaguya manga story, or the Yume arc of the manga, where her human form reveals her to be about the age of a 15-year-old girl?

This is why I highly prefer Luna's Japanese voice. She a young character, not a British nanny. She's supposed to be at an age that's one year older than Usagi, yet the dub turned her into Mrs. Doubtfire.

This is also why I'm not too keen on Sailor Luna being a young child in PGSM. I'll admit her character was still true to the Luna that we know and love, but she's not supposed to be a kid.

Well, her human form looks quite a bit older than 15 to me. Also, she just seems older to me too. Youngish body, old soul.

RK_Striker_JK_5 wrote:Well, her human form looks quite a bit older than 15 to me. Also, she just seems older to me too. Youngish body, old soul.

Well, think about this. Usagi may be at age 14, but she is far from being at the maturity level of a 14-year-old. Why, Chibiusa's around 9 physically, yet she's more mature than Usagi.

Sabrblade wrote:

RK_Striker_JK_5 wrote:Well, her human form looks quite a bit older than 15 to me. Also, she just seems older to me too. Youngish body, old soul.

Well, think about this. Usagi may be at age 14, but she is far from being at the maturity level of a 14-year-old. Why, Chibiusa's around 9 physically, yet she's more mature than Usagi.

Okay... how does this refute what I think about Luna? Her human form looks older than a teenager to me, and it'd make more sense for her to simply be more mature so to better teach Usagi.