The Energon Pub

[Saber Prime]

sorry but in animated SS is bloomin blue!!

You do know were talking toon and not toy right??????????




Thats Grey not blue......you might need a eye doctor too

Actully Sto it appears you missed part of the Conversation.

We were talking about Starscreams 3 main colors.

Grey, Red, and BLUE! The blue being his hands and feet. We weren't talking about his body this time.

Someone said he was dark grey, dark red, and BLACK. And while admittedly it does look black, take a look at the bottom of his right foot in the picture you posted. It's a dark blue, not black.

[YoImLegend]

Are we really, I mean really, arguing bout this?

[Star_ling]

In G1 Starscream is Red & White

In G1 Starscream is grey and white in both the toy and the cartoon....althou its different shades of grey.

In no way is G1 Starscream white.

In Armada starscream is completly Red except for his canopy top then he gets upgraded to Thundercraker and is then Blue.

He is not completly red in Armada.

He's red,grey and black.

You really need an eye doctor.

Normally I wouldn't get anywhere near you guys "conversations" because most of the time I agree with you but this time I have to point out that as far as Hasbro is concerned Starscreams G1 colors are White, Red and Blue. The best example being the new Universe toy which is without a doubt white and is clearly labled as G1, comparing that to previous one and you see what Rodimus was saying.

Are we really, I mean really, arguing bout this?

You must not come to this thread often It's not arguing it's a friendly debate.

[Star_ling]

Oh on a light note did you guys see this?:

http://video.yahoo.com/watch/4172055/11227082

[Dead Metal]

Actually Animated Starscream is black not blue.
You can see this as the blue used for lighting those parts is very very thin and just there were he's exposed to the light source.
If those parts were blue they would be coloured with dark blue and light blue to highlight the light. There would be a lot more blue.
the same technique is used for Venom:

Blue is used as showing light on black surfaces as you can see in the image. The image is from the time as Venom was still mostly black and not blue as they mostly show him today.

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

I knew we would have a battle of colours here!
About the colour of G1 Starscream, his original toy has two versions,one that has white plastic and one that has light gray plastic! I can't remember which one came first though as it was a running change and one came first.

The only "White" Starscream toy was the G2 release that was partly white.

All other releases of the Starscream in the 80's were different shades of grey.

Here's a page with known variants on G1 tf toys.I believe they cover every single variant.
main page
http://www.geocities.com/futuristgroup/vquanda.html

seeker page
http://www.geocities.com/futuristgroup/vjet.html

Starscream then and now page
http://www.geocities.com/dairylandtrans ... amsmib.jpg

Actully Sto it appears you missed part of the Conversation.

We were talking about Starscreams 3 main colors.

Grey, Red, and BLUE! The blue being his hands and feet. We weren't talking about his body this time.

Someone said he was dark grey, dark red, and BLACK. And while admittedly it does look black, take a look at the bottom of his right foot in the picture you posted. It's a dark blue, not black.

And whats your point????

I didnt miss that part at all....considering that "Pottermus" brought up "Bloomin Blue" and that is a color that is close to the toys main bodies color scheme I believe its safe to assume that "Pottermus" was talking about the body and not the feet.

Normally I wouldn't get anywhere near you guys "conversations" because most of the time I agree with you but this time I have to point out that as far as Hasbro is concerned Starscreams G1 colors are White, Red and Blue. The best example being the new Universe toy which is without a doubt white and is clearly labled as G1, comparing that to previous one and you see what Rodimus was saying.

I've never seen so many in need of eye doctors.



Thats grey not white



he's lighter then the first release but its still grey




Just look at the tail fin closely



Blue with a red and white stripe.

See how the white stands out from the grey of the main body????

Its grey....it might be light grey but it is not white.

Compair it to Classic Prowl or Untra Magnus and you'd be color blind if you cant see the difference

No offense Sabe

Blue is used as showing light on black surfaces as you can see in the image. The image is from the time as Venom was still mostly black and not blue as they mostly show him today.

Truth be told the technique is used both ways.

Sometimes Blue is used as showing light on Black and some times Black is used to show contrast or shadow on Dark Blue.

I dont think you guys are going to find a definitive answer useing coloring technique's as a basses for debate.

[Oilspill]

Actually Animated Starscream is black not blue.

Agreed. Here's a pic of starscream from transformersanimated.com

While there is purple highlighting it is just so you can make out one black area when it is in front of another black area and to bring out detail.

You can see in this picture he is facing the light source, so his arms are not in shadow, and they are still black.

[Sabrblade]

Okay, can we just say that the traditional Starscream colors are red, blue, black, and a variation of white or gray?

He's sometimes white (G2, Armada, Energon Energon), and sometimes gray (RobotMasters, Cybertron, Movie, Animated). Sometimes it's not as easy to tell as others (G1, Universe). and sometimes he's neither white, nor gray (BWII, Machine Wars, Energon).

In fact, his Universe toy is very close to white. It's almost like a magnolia white. Almost.

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

Okay, can we just say that the traditional Starscream colors are red, blue, black, and a variation of white or gray?

He's sometimes white (G2, Armada, Energon Energon), and sometimes gray (RobotMasters, Cybertron, Movie, Animated). Sometimes it's not as easy to tell as others (G1, Universe). and sometimes he's neither white, nor gray (BWII, Machine Wars, Energon).

In fact, his Universe toy is very close to white. It's almost like a magnolia white. Almost.

I can agree with an "ALMOST WHITE" finding.

Even lite Grey can be considered "almost white" since the method of how its made "Lite" is by adding white to the mixture.[at least in painting]

[Sabrblade]

Okay, can we just say that the traditional Starscream colors are red, blue, black, and a variation of white or gray?

He's sometimes white (G2, Armada, Energon Energon), and sometimes gray (RobotMasters, Cybertron, Movie, Animated). Sometimes it's not as easy to tell as others (G1, Universe). and sometimes he's neither white, nor gray (BWII, Machine Wars, Energon).

In fact, his Universe toy is very close to white. It's almost like a magnolia white. Almost.

I can agree with an "ALMOST WHITE" finding.

Even lite Grey can be considered "almost white" since the method of how its made "Lite" is by adding white to the mixture.[at least in painting]

Yeah, I just got the actual toy today, and after looking closely at it in good lighting, and comparing it to the color of a white piece of paper, there's hardly a difference between the paper's white and the figure's main color. But there is a difference, though it is a very slim one.

Although, I've noticed that during this whole "gray vs. white" debate that, while some of us have mentioned the different shades of gray, none of us have mentioned the different shades of white to back the "white" side of the argument. White has different shades too.

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

Yeah, I just got the actual toy today, and after looking closely at it in good lighting, and comparing it to the color of a white piece of paper, there's hardly a difference between the paper's white and the figure's main color. But there is a difference, though it is a very slim one.

Although, I've noticed that during this whole "gray vs. white" debate that, while some of us have mentioned the different shades of gray, none of us have mentioned the different shades of white to back the "white" side of the argument. White has different shades too.

True enough...as in regards to the toys but with G1 Starscreams toon appearance he was always a very lite grey.

They were going for a "Silver" and "Metal" look for him.

And I just got the new Universe SS as well.

I still say very lite grey.I compared it to the Classic Ultra magnus in the classic line and I see a noticeable difference.

[Sabrblade]

Well here's some Animated news for ya.

Three new animated shorts. The first one is available on the Season 2 DVD (along with another one). It is called "Starscream Heckles Megatron", and it is actually out of continuity with the cartoon. You may view it here.

The second and third were found on Youtube and come from origins unknown. You may view the first one here, and the other one here.

Also, Waspinator's toy bio and cartoon model revealed:


I said this about Waspinator on this thread:

I serious hope they get Scott McNeil to play this form of him. Keep Tom Kenny as the voice of his normal form seen in the middle of Autoboot Camp, and his insane form at the end of Autoboot Camp. But get Scott McNeil for this mutated form.

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

Well here's some Animated news for ya.

Three new animated shorts. The first one is available on the Season 2 DVD (along with another one). It is called "Starscream Heckles Megatron", and it is actually out of continuity with the cartoon. You may view it here.

The second and third were found on Youtube and come from origins unknown. You may view the first one here, and the other one here.

Also, Waspinator's toy bio and cartoon model revealed:


I said this about Waspinator on this thread:

I serious hope they get Scott McNeil to play this form of him. Keep Tom Kenny as the voice of his normal form seen in the middle of SUV, and his insane form at the end of SUV. But get Scott McNeil for this mutated form.

Cool

[Saber Prime]

When has Venom ever been "primarily" blue?

Venom is usually drawn Black with blue and/or red vains. (the red might of just been there for the cartoon series) That's not lighting, that's just how his vains are colored.

Now if you wanna see how they typically light black. Take a look at the Batman animated series.

http://www.batman-superman.com/batman/index.html

They really don't do much of anything for black except add a few little grey highlights.

Now blue, even in real life, under sertain lights can look black. Green can do the same. You really mean to tell me you never bought a shirt or something you thought was black when you had it in the store but then when you saw it in the sunlight realized it was a really dark blue or green?



Here's another great example. His costume looks black and red right? But why is the red so random? My original design was actully a completly red costume. The only truely black parts is the Yin Yang.

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

When has Venom ever been "primarily" blue?

Lately in the comics.

Now if you wanna see how they typically light black. Take a look at the Batman animated series.

http://www.batman-superman.com/batman/index.html

They really don't do much of anything for black except add a few little grey highlights.

Thats not really "TYPICAL" of how Black is high lighted.

They started useing grey to high light black in the mid 90's.

Here's another great example. His costume looks black and red right? But why is the red so random? My original design was actully a completly red costume. The only truely black parts is the Yin Yang.

There's nothing in the pic

[Sabrblade]

When has Venom ever been "primarily" blue?

Well, your a cartoons guy. Spider-Man Unlimited:
http://marvel.toonzone.net/spideyunlimited/bios/villains/venom/
There's more blue than black on him.

The Spectacular Spider-Man:

He's clearly all dark blue. There's not a sign of any black on him (other than his outline).

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

Well, your a cartoons guy. Spider-Man Unlimited:

There's more blue than black. And the sky is an evening sky, so he's not having a light shine on him.

Uhhhh....There's no Ultimate Spiderman pic????

The Spectacular Spider-Man:

He's clearly all dark blue. There's not a sign of any black on him (other than his outline).

Well even that pic looks more like black to me but here's a pic of the toy and it should be easy to see the blue.

[Sabrblade]

Well, your a cartoons guy. Spider-Man Unlimited:
http://marvel.toonzone.net/spideyunlimited/bios/villains/venom/
There's more blue than black. And the sky is an evening sky, so he's not having a light shine on him.

Uhhhh....There's no Ultimate Spiderman pic????

Fixed.

The Spectacular Spider-Man:

He's clearly all dark blue. There's not a sign of any black on him (other than his outline).

Well even that pic looks more like black to me...

Say what!? Turn up the brightness and/or the contrast on your monitor. He's completely a dark cerulean.

Though i will admit that in tghe show he is all black, but all of his promotional images (like this one) have him dark blue.

[Saber Prime]

Here's another great example. His costume looks black and red right? But why is the red so random? My original design was actully a completly red costume. The only truely black parts is the Yin Yang.

There's nothing in the pic

There was when I posted it.

http://www.heros-vilans2001.fanspace.co ... _sword.gif

[Saber Prime]

I have seen that Venom toy before but I assumed it was colored wrong.

I've never seen the Spectacular Spider-man cartoon but that image doesn't even look blue. It looks like different shades of grey.

The toy does have some metalic blue around the chest and uper legs which is really weird considering there is nothing metalic about Venom. The rest of it is a dark grey.

Either way still not primarily blue.

The Spiderman unlimited version was preddy much even. They kinda looked like they were giveing him a simular design to Carnage with the red and black pattern, just switching it to black and blue insted.

[Star_ling]

I think the whole thing with venom is the blue is supposed to be a type of sheen. You know like with peoples hair, a person can have hair so black that it gives of a purple or blue sheen. Same thing. I mean they call the symbiote Spiderman the "Black" Suited Spiderman.

Of course certain artists could interpret the colors differently, but the whole shade argument could be brought back up about that.

[Shadowman]

Here's another great example. His costume looks black and red right? But why is the red so random? My original design was actully a completly red costume. The only truely black parts is the Yin Yang.

There's nothing in the pic

There was when I posted it.

http://www.heros-vilans2001.fanspace.co ... _sword.gif

"Remote linking forbidden. This host does not support remote linking of images or files for FREE accounts. Please upgrade your account."

But, after cutting and pasting the link into my browser...what is this I'm looking at? It's clearly a fan character, but the art looks like MS Paint, except for the eyes and mouth.

Are you using a piece of art you did yourself as an argument on coloring? I mean, I agree that highlights are frequently the actual color, all those Venom pictures really drove that point home, but posting art you made isn't exactly the best argument.

I think the whole thing with venom is the blue is supposed to be a type of sheen. You know like with peoples hair, a person can have hair so black that it gives of a purple or blue sheen. Same thing. I mean they call the symbiote Spiderman the "Black" Suited Spiderman.

Of course certain artists could interpret the colors differently, but the whole shade argument could be brought back up about that.

It could also be it's a very glossy dark blue.

[Saber Prime]

I think the whole thing with venom is the blue is supposed to be a type of sheen. You know like with peoples hair, a person can have hair so black that it gives of a purple or blue sheen. Same thing. I mean they call the symbiote Spiderman the "Black" Suited Spiderman.

Of course certain artists could interpret the colors differently, but the whole shade argument could be brought back up about that.

What the heck are you talking about? I never seen anyone with purple or blue hair unless it was dyed that color. People with dark colored hair is hard to dye it and the color dye really doesn't show up except under sertain lighting conditions like you described. Otherwise, just haveing dark colored hair isn't going to cause any unnatually colored shine effect.

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

Fixed.

Thanks

Well even that pic looks more like black to me...

Say what!? Turn up the brightness and/or the contrast on your monitor. He's completely a dark cerulean.[/quote]

Looks like charcoal grey to me buddy.

There was when I posted it.

http://www.heros-vilans2001.fanspace.co ... _sword.gif

Even the link has no pic.

[Saber Prime]

http://www.heros-vilans2001.fanspace.com/photo3.html

The Gothic Sword and even the offical images were colored that way. I took the idea from Batman beyond's costume which appeared to have red circutry in the fabric that could only been seen under certain lights otherwise his costume appeared to be a solid black.