The Energon Pub

[Sabrblade]

What episode did he battle Primus in? I'd like to watch that!

Episode 37: Titans


I forgot to mention: When the last CPKey was found by Landmine, Quickmix, and Coby; Starscream burst in, took out Quickmix, and went for Landmine, who had the Key. He threw Landmine around for a bit to make him drop the Key. Landmine reached for the key , but was stomped on by Starscream. Landmine told Coby to get back, knowing that the Cobybot would be no match for Starscream. Landmine refused to quit and the Key reacted, making Landmine grow to Starscream's size. Landmine totally pummeled Starscream by throwing him at the ceiling and sending him through it with the power of his Cyber Key's attack. Starscream fell to the depths of the surrounding lake, only to make it out barely alive at the beginning of the next episode with the lines, "I... still... function!"

[Omega Charge]

I was just thinking: none of the Autobots really use guns. They're like superheroes, and are fighting to keep guns and the Decepticons under control. A lot different from the big bad 'Bots from other series.

[AxiomScion]

I was just thinking: none of the Autobots really use guns. They're like superheroes, and are fighting to keep guns and the Decepticons under control. A lot different from the big bad 'Bots from other series.

Well BB has hand swapping lasers, and the others have long range attacks of a fashion, but no traditional gun shaped weapon for the earth bound chinbots. I forgot about the dinobots, but they wouldn't count anyway.

[TheMuffin]

Like BB said, "We're repair bots! We're not programmed for this kind of action!"

So they wouldn't have conventional weaponry. Makes sense to me.

[Saber Prime]

No wander I didn't see any discussion about this show. I normally only hang out in the General Discussion area.

Anyway so far I'm likeing this series. I'm still a little confused on a couple issues though.

1. In the verry first episode it opens with Optimus Prime watching sceens from G1 Transformers and he mentions that Ratchet was actully there.

This leads me to belive that Ratchet is actully ment to be the original Ratchet and he's sertainly old enough to be. There is one small problem though...

The original Ratchet died in the movie so how can he exsist in the future?

2. There's allso some dialog to sugest that Megatron is the original Megatron. Two problems with this, he's not old enough and he should be Galvatron allready.

There are some other errors as well. Like for one there was no All Spark in G1.

If they're trying to link Animated with G1 they've allready failed in a miserable attempt. If they're not trying to tie it with G1 why did they use old footage from the original cartoon?

[Pyrostrata]

Something to remember about Transformers: Animated---


Take all past continuities....and toss them in the rotating file and fergit about em! TF:A is a TOTALLY new continuity altogether, and the snipets of G1 and references to past TF continuities was purly fanboy-bait, nothing more!

Once you get this down, you may enjoy TF:A a bit more...I know I did!

[Highbeam]

The original Ratchet died in the movie so how can he exsist in the future?

Just because they're borrowing some of the history clips, doesn't mean this show follows that storyline. This is a completely different continuity than G1/2/3/etc...even though they're borrowing ideas from some of the older ones, along with certain characters (but portraying them in a new way, which still bases on an version of the character from an existing series).

TF Animated is not an extension of G1 or any other series. It just borrows some things.

For example, in the new show, Optimus is a Prime...yet he's just working with repair bots, not leading troops. An example of how this show is borrowing existing characters, but in a new story with new histories for these characters.

I hope that makes sense...it did in my head, at least. Hard to explain it.

[Jazzz]

Why are people so stupid!
ITS A DIFFERENT UNIVERSE!

[Pyrostrata]

Why are people so stupid!
ITS A DIFFERENT UNIVERSE!

Wow! You said exactly what I said it less than 10 words!

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

If they're not trying to tie it with G1 why did they use old footage from the original cartoon?

I've said it before and I'll say it again.

They did it to stirr up this kind of debate in the fandome.To create a buzz for the new serries.

There are to many inconsistentsies for Animated to be connected to G1.

And Ratchet being alive isnit even one of them nor is Megatron not being Galvatron.

[Saber Prime]

If they're not trying to tie it with G1 why did they use old footage from the original cartoon?

I've said it before and I'll say it again.

They did it to stirr up this kind of debate in the fandome.To create a buzz for the new serries.

There are to many inconsistentsies for Animated to be connected to G1.

And Ratchet being alive isnit even one of them nor is Megatron not being Galvatron.

Oh but they are. You can't just ignore the fact that Ratchet died and give no exsplination for how they were resurected and grew old and now work with a team of young bots who share the same names as your old team mates.

The way I was seeing it is the younger robots are new characters who just happen to have the same names as old characters. The older characters who were said to have been around in the great war are ment to be thoughs older characters.

There are way too many inconsistancys though.

1. There is no All Spark mentioned in G1 or BW/M.

2. Megatron "died" in the movie and was replaced by/upgraded into Galvatron.

3. Ratchet died in the movie.

4. They allready been to Earth durring the great war but in this series Earth seems entirely new to them.

Anyway... This version of Optimus Prime did train at Cybertron Acadimy and should have been in Cybertron Elite Guard. My guess is he enrolled wanting to carrey on his grandfather's name (who could quite possibly be the original Optimus Prime) but flunked out and became nothing more than a repair bot.

Optimus Primal in Beast Wars wasn't the great leader of the Maximals like Prime was to the Autobots. Primal and his crew were more like the crew of Animated. Neither was built to be heroes but it was just thrust apon them.

Animated has barrowed much from previous incarnations of Transformers.

G1: names, footage, Megatron's new form (not seen in the series yet) will resemble G1 Megs. Allso many voice actors who haven't been involved with Transformers sence G1 have returned for this series. Some of them are even in their original roles along with some new roles. Cory Burton is now Megatron, and is slated to return as Shockwave in this series. Sound effects and theme song were allso taken from G1.

BW: Prime and his crew are in a simular situation as Primal and crew. Neither of them were really ment to be heroes and neither were the leaders on Cybertron. Blackarachnia I think is the only character to really take their name directly from Beast Wars, she allso resembles her TM2 form in this series. Sparks have been used in every Transformers sence Beast Wars but the idea originated here.

BM: Prowl's room in their Earth base reminds me of the Maximal's base in Beast Machines. With Prowl's facination with organics I allso wouldn't be surprised if he ended up takeing Silverbolt's role whenever he and Blackarachnia actully meet. Prowl's personality and fighting styal is exstremly simular to BM Silverbolt. I don't see much of BW Silverbolt in him though.

RID: Professor Sumdac is like an insaine version of Kogi's dad in RID? Allso Optimus is a fire truck. He's a fire truck in Cybertron too but this idea originated here. Allso Prime and Magnus don't really seem to get along in Animated but for completly different reasons than the RID versions.

Armada/Energon/Cybertron: Sence they used G1 footage they have two animation styals that don't really blend well just like A/E/C with their CGI and hand drawn mix.

Movie: The All Spark. Bumblebee has a simular paint job in both. Megatron starts off looking like his Movie version, even has a simular alt mode. The technology on Earth is made by reverse enginering from Megatron, another idea allso taken from the movie. Animated even takes this idea further and actully builds robots from him. The guy allso takes Megatron apart which is much more belivable than him being frozen in one piece the entire time.

[Jeysie]

You know... I'm still not really sure what the confusion is. I'm very new to watching/reading Transformers, and I can still observe that Hasbro seems to favor the reboot theory of creating new series while retooling older characters.

Yes, Ratchet is an older character than the rest. But in this universe it seems apparent to me, at least, that G1 never happened; the Great War took place entirely on Cybertron (or some place other than Earth) in its own chain of events. So this Ratchet *isn't* G1 Ratchet. Neither is Megatron a continuation of G1 Megatron. So, no need to explain anything.

The "history docs" were snippets of G1 footage so they could one, save on some animation costs, and two, make a cute little nod to existing fans, as has been stated many times. I'm not really sure why this concept is all so confusing.

Maybe it's just the innate geek need to have everything tied up in a neat little continuity bow that's been throwing people off? I know I'm guilty of that sometimes.

[Skowl]

Finally saw it on YTV a few days ago, here are my thoughts, I'lll keep it short and sweet since I don't think anyone reads this anymore...

Pros:

-Animation is very nice
-Dialogue is nowhere as cheezy as the Japanese series
-Action sequences are great!
-The bots move very fluidly, not like the walking boxes of Cybertron and Energon
- Voice cast is excellent, Tom Kenny is the best Starscream since the original
- The story is interesting, I'm glad it's not just a remake of G1.

Cons:

- Lips on Optimus Prime are still the stupidest thing I've ever seen. It completely ruins the character for me.
- Transformation sequences are poorly done - it's just a blur and that's it.
- I hate how, when the talk in vehicle mode, the whole car wiggles. Lame.

All in all, I was pleasantly surprised. But I still can't seem to get excited about this series. I like the fact that this is a unique, new series that takes cues from classic TF mythos, but still adds new things to it. But the style of the bots just don't do it for me. Still, I'll be picking up a few choice figures (Prowl and Starscream are musts!) but I may end up ignoring the TV series as a whole (like I've done with every TF series since Beast Wars...)

[Jeysie]

But the style of the bots just don't do it for me.

Heh. This reminds me that I've talked some of my non-TF fan friends into watching the series so far, and they pretty much all said the same thing that I do: The writing and voice acting for the series is good/enjoyable so they'll watch, but the art style doesn't work at all.

On the other hand, I have a friend in the same circle who is a TF fan, and he thinks the art is great (because he finds serious art styles "boring") and is really pissed at the rest of us for hating it.

[Pyrostrata]

I do know lots of TF fans who have seen the new show and hate it with an undying passion! They are turned off by the animation and the supposed "G1 link-in" (which I have tried to explain til I am plaid in the face, with no avail....stubborn people sometimes suck)......

.....but most of them are the same people that ignored Beast Wars til it came out on DVD because the toys were ATROCIOUS...now they are rabid fans of the show (they still hate the toys, as I do)! Maybe they'll end up the same way with TF:A and I can laugh at them once again, as I did with BW!

[Jeysie]

.....but most of them are the same people that ignored Beast Wars til it came out on DVD because the toys were ATROCIOUS... now they are rabid fans of the show (they still hate the toys, as I do)! Maybe they'll end up the same way with TF:A and I can laugh at them once again, as I did with BW!

Hee! Yeah, the funny thing is, I've been watching Beast Wars for the first time recently, and I actually feel the exact same way I do about Animated: the animation is awful (I hated the early days when CGI was new and all the rage, yet it was sterile and ugly compared to classic animation), but the writing is good so I'm watching it anyway.

Guess it's a good thing I'm not one of those people who think that the visuals are the most important part of something, or I'd miss out on a lot of great stuff.

[Saber Prime]

My thoughts so far are simple. I hate how they look in that styalized animation and that the toys look just as bad. They just won't look good next to any of the my other Optimus and Megatrons.

My thoughts on the looks though is that the Animation Styal was actully an improvement on Movie Megatron. The cartoon looks beter than the scrap metal designs of the movie. The movie toys however look better than the Animated toys.

Everything elce from Animated so far I like.

The Decepticons won't be getting their butts kicked in every episode. I think that's been overdone so it's nice the Autobots finally get some other enemys. Maybe some Quintessons will make an apperance?

The little girl in this series isn't a B**** like the girls in A/E/C.

Starscream trys to kill Megatron in the verry first episode. He is by far the best Starscream ever.

I seen a couple intersting interviews with David Kaye. The first was filmed sometime around A/E/C possibly even before that. He mentions that when he went to audition for Beast Wars he was actully auditioning for the role of Optimus Primal. He got a call back and they asked him to read for Megatron.

Now in a more recent interview after he had been Megatron for BW/BM/A/E/C he mentions he went into the Audition for Animated thinking he was going to get the part of Megatron. They asked him to read for Optimus Prime and he got that part. So he's gone kinda backwords sence Beast Wars.

On the note of Beast Wars toys. I was a Beast Wars fan from the moment that show aired but I hated the toys. Only the early Beast Wars toys though, the ones that looked absolutly nothing like their show models. I think I had Dinobot and Tarantulas, that was it.

[TheMuffin]

.....but most of them are the same people that ignored Beast Wars til it came out on DVD because the toys were ATROCIOUS... now they are rabid fans of the show (they still hate the toys, as I do)! Maybe they'll end up the same way with TF:A and I can laugh at them once again, as I did with BW!

Hee! Yeah, the funny thing is, I've been watching Beast Wars for the first time recently, and I actually feel the exact same way I do about Animated: the animation is awful (I hated the early days when CGI was new and all the rage, yet it was sterile and ugly compared to classic animation), but the writing is good so I'm watching it anyway.

Guess it's a good thing I'm not one of those people who think that the visuals are the most important part of something, or I'd miss out on a lot of great stuff.

I dunno. Most of the toys after the first wave were insanely accurate for the most part. Hell even the first wave was pretty close. They just had battle masks left over from the original concept.

And the CGI gets a whole lot better as the seasons go on. The first episode and the last episode aren't even comparable in terms of visuals. Everything just looks soooo much cleaner and detailed.

[Pyrostrata]

Maybe some Quintessons will make an apperance?

Gods, I hope not! I HATED the Quintessons!

On the note of Beast Wars toys. I was a Beast Wars fan from the moment that show aired but I hated the toys. Only the early Beast Wars toys though, the ones that looked absolutly nothing like their show models. I think I had Dinobot and Tarantulas, that was it.

My ex-husband was into the BW toys....that is how I got to see them close-up and make the determination that they were hidious and not worth me wasting my money on...But, since the divorce, I am now stuck with all his BW toys...well, most of em....some met their untimely ends under the wheels of my car... I hated my ex and took my aggressions out on Optimus Primal and Transmetal 2 Rattrap!

EDIT: I forgot to add that Transmetal 2 Megatron bought it under my wheels too! He was broken anyways, and I have another in the box..I can't believe I forgot about him!!!

[TheMuffin]

You could have just given them to us. Sad when the woman even gets the toys in the divorce settlement.

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

Oh but they are. You can't just ignore the fact that Ratchet died and give no exsplination for how they were resurected

I know you dont like comic books but their are other G1 characters that died in the 86 movie that have been officaly resurected in the Botcon exclusive comics and those book are offically part of the Beast Wars continuity.

3. Ratchet died in the movie.

Both G1 Ironhide and G1 Prowl were resurected and became members of the Maximal High Council of elders and along with G1 Silverbolt combine to form form Magnaboss.

This is part of the offical Beast Wars continuity even if it never made it to the toon.

2. Megatron "died" in the movie and was replaced by/upgraded into Galvatron.

In the G1 toyline Galvatron was turned back into Megatron when he became a Action Master.If the G1 toon had not been canceled the show would have followed suit.

Also G2 also had a Megatron and if they had made a toon instead of repeating the G1 toon they would have had to turn Galvatron back to Megatron again.

Like I said the fact that Ratchet is alive and Megatron is back arent big deals at all if Animated was a contuiation of G1 because these kinds of issues have already been address before.

The older characters who were said to have been around in the great war are ment to be thoughs older characters.

No one said it was the same "great war" from G1. The clips they used were very generic and only featured 2 characters in robot mode that could be named.

The rest were drones of some alt modes that could be anybody in this serries even if we as old fans could name them.

There's no proof in the "history tapes" to say that Animated is connected to G1.

Anyway... This version of Optimus Prime did train at Cybertron Acadimy and should have been in Cybertron Elite Guard. My guess is he enrolled wanting to carrey on his grandfather's name (who could quite possibly be the original Optimus Prime) but flunked out and became nothing more than a repair bot.

Nice theroy and it would be cool but there's nothing to back it up.

They made sure not to use any footage that showed G1 Prime in those "history tapes".Which in my opinion show a delibrate effeort from Hasbro to make Animated a different universe.

Most of the G1 footage used from the episode "War Dawn" which is the one where G1 Prime was created.

So if Hasbro wanted Animated to be part of the G1 universe why leave out any and all footage showing ether G1 Prime or Orion Pax?

Animated has barrowed much from previous incarnations of Transformers.
G1: names,

G1 Names have been used more times then not in serries not connected to G1.

footage,

Done to bring in the older fans.And in my opinion to start up this very kind of debate in the fandom.

Megatron's new form (not seen in the series yet) will resemble G1 Megs.

That depends on what you meen when you say "resemble" yeah it may look like his G1 form in color sceme and a few design likennes's but his alt form wont be a gun but I can see your point here.

Allso many voice actors who haven't been involved with Transformers sence G1 have returned for this series. Some of them are even in their original roles along with some new roles. Cory Burton is now Megatron, and is slated to return as Shockwave in this series. Sound effects and theme song were allso taken from G1.

Again a nod to the older fans and variations of the G1 song has been used in some of the other serries.

The Decepticons won't be getting their butts kicked in every episode. I think that's been overdone so it's nice the Autobots finally get some other enemys. Maybe some Quintessons will make an apperance?

I hope we do see some quints.

Starscream trys to kill Megatron in the verry first episode. He is by far the best Starscream ever.

Agreed but I still have a soft spot for the original.

[Pyrostrata]

You could have just given them to us. Sad when the woman even gets the toys in the divorce settlement.

HA! I had MANY more toys than he did! I was the one that owned all the G1s and he just started collecting with Beast Wars..I took it out on those particular toys for gratification purposes ONLY....I saved all the toys he had in the boxes and smashed all the ones that were outside the box and/or damaged...so there was no real loss...I just wanted to wreck stuff!

[Saber Prime]

No one said it was the same "great war" from G1. The clips they used were very generic and only featured 2 characters in robot mode that could be named.

The rest were drones of some alt modes that could be anybody in this serries even if we as old fans could name them.

There's no proof in the "history tapes" to say that Animated is connected to G1.

Nice theroy and it would be cool but there's nothing to back it up.

They made sure not to use any footage that showed G1 Prime in those "history tapes".Which in my opinion show a delibrate effeort from Hasbro to make Animated a different universe.

Most of the G1 footage used from the episode "War Dawn" which is the one where G1 Prime was created.

So if Hasbro wanted Animated to be part of the G1 universe why leave out any and all footage showing ether G1 Prime or Orion Pax?

I can name more than 2 characters in thoughs tapes. Excuse me a moment, I'm going to watch the opening again and name them in order.

Before I do though, you're right, they didn't show Optimus Prime or Orian Pax but they did show Megatron. In fact Megatron was the first character shown that could actully be named.

Then we can see Thundercracker and Skywarp chaseing Wheeljack and Bumblebee. And that clip was taken from the verry first episode of G1.

There I just named 5 characters and only one was in robot mode. There were allso a couple guys that looked simular to Omega Supreme but neither had the correct coloring to be him.

Animated has barrowed much from previous incarnations of Transformers.
G1: names,

G1 Names have been used more times then not in serries not connected to G1.

Read my entire post. Notice how I made a point to list things where they originated at? The point was to list reused ideas from each series that appear in Animated not list how many times the ideas were reused before Animated.

That depends on what you meen when you say "resemble" yeah it may look like his G1 form in color sceme and a few design likennes's but his alt form wont be a gun but I can see your point here.

I was only speaking of his robot mode. I have not seen his alt mode yet but I'd imagine it's going to be an Earth version of his Cybertronian mode sence all the Autobots seemed to just change into Earth versions of their cybertronian modes.

Anyway Megatron's Earth robot mode looks like a styalized version of G1 Megatron's robot mode. Allso if you look at his fusion canon in both Earth and Cybertron forms there's a homage to the voice actor. His fusion canon is shaped like Shockwave's head.

[Nemesis Cyberplex]

Before I do though, you're right, they didn't show Optimus Prime or Orian Pax but they did show Megatron. In fact Megatron was the first character shown that could actully be named.

Then we can see Thundercracker and Skywarp chaseing Wheeljack and Bumblebee. And that clip was taken from the verry first episode of G1.

There I just named 5 characters and only one was in robot mode. There were allso a couple guys that looked simular to Omega Supreme but neither had the correct coloring to be him.

The last one they show is Dion...Orion Pax's buddy. & the blue Omega Supremes are Sentinels or City Guardians....not to mention the basis for Energon's Omega Sentinel.

[Galvatron628]

I honestly think they started by making it a G1 sequel, then started incorporating other ideas. IE, movie elements such as the Allspark, Megatron crashing on earth and being discovered by humans, or beast wars elements such as Optimus being a ship commander but not the Autobot Supreme leader. I'd say its loosley based on G1, but not necessiraly apart of the continuity.

The animation doesn't seem as bad when you're into an episode.