The Energon Pub

[Saber Prime]

I'd love it if someone would draw all the Animated characters in a more traditional styal. With normal sized body proportions.

[Malikon]

a friend was over the other day and caught the last half of the latest episode and made an interesting observation that I thought I'd share.

Basically after watching the show I asked him what he thought and he said, "it's allright, it's a cartoon that kind of looks like all the other cartoons that are out these days. Big colorful bubbles bouncing around doing goofy stuff." his thoughts on the TF's themselves reminded me of why the originals when I was a kid were so cool, and why the movie was so cool to me. He said, "the movie was so cool because it was real cars and vehicles. I didn't look at cop cars, planes, big pickup trucks or big rigs the same way for weeks. Everytime I'd see a cop car I'd remember the movie and think, 'man what it really be like if that car suddenly stood up!' then he pointed out that to him the robots on the cartoon don't really look much like robots, and the vehicles don't really look much like vehicles. (Obviously Prowl and Bumblebee look very much like a car and motorcycle, mostly he meant prime and bulkhead.) He actually joked about Prime's vehicle mode going, "really, just what the f**k is that? He doesn't look like a robot and doesn't look like a real truck, but they're calling him optimus prime and the cartoon is Transformers?"

Which, well actually I thought he brought up some good points. It reminded me in a different way of why I thought the toys were so cool when I was a kid. They were 'real' vehicles that turned into what my 8 year old brain thought a 'real' robot looked like. And when the movie came out this summer and I hadn't seen TF's in a long, long time, the movie brought out that same sense of wonder. Watching a huge helicopter and F-22 transform back and forth from vehicle to 'Con.

I think the cartoon is,......amusing. Good for a couple chuckles, (Ratchets "catch it on the first bounce" comment in the 3 episode movie was awesome) I really love StarScream in the new cartoon. He's definitely a great sadistic bad guy who reminds me alot of the the G1 Starscream only meaner and more evil. But it just feels sooooooo much like so many other cartoons out now. Where's the special uniqueness that makes the TF cartoon different then anything else?

My friend was right. Prime doesn't really look like a robot, and he doesn't really look like a real truck. So it's really hard to look at him and see PRIME instead of seeing a goofy hyperdeformed blue and red thing that's calling itself Prime.

Some of the toys look fun. Starscream and Megatron are of course must haves, but some of the others like Cybertron Prime and 'Voyager priced/Deluxe sized' Bulkhead I think I'll be passing on.

[Saber Prime]

Now hold on there. I totally agree on most of everything you just said except for one thing...

OPTIMUS PRIME DOES LOOK LIKE A TRUCK!

All of their vehicle modes look verry much like vehicles. Their robot modes however look like hyper deformed THINGS. I still can't figure out how a single one of them Transforms.

I can't figure out how any movie characters Transform either.

The difference between the movie and Animated though is that at least in Animated you can see more of their vehicle modes in robot mode. They look like they can actully transform into something but at the same time it looks like portions of their body actully have to change shape in each mode. (which is why I can't figure out how the hell the damn toys work)

The movie characters don't look like anything. I look at movie characters and I can't identify a damn thing on their robot modes as vehicles. There will be like a couple things like Bumblebee's chest and "wings" but where the f*** is the rest of the car? All he has are doors and a front grill, there is no car mode on that thing.

Look at Barricade, his arms are doors, where the f*** is the rest of the car?

I hate the movie Transformers so freaking much because they don't look like they can Transform into anything. Any other transformer even in Animated you can at least identify an entire section of the car in robot mode not just small little parts that could be anything from car parts to parts that are only seen in robot mode.

At least Animated has good wrighting to make up for their bad designs.

The movie on the other hand delt verry little with the Transformers. The human cast outnumbered and got more screen time than the Transformers did. Once the Transformers finally were on screen they were in one horible action sequence after another with no character development for anyone except Bumblebee. Even that sucked, with thoughs designs in robot mode I couldn't tell who was fighting who half the time I couldn't tell Bumblebee apart from Ratchet.

Yeah Transformers was a great movie, too bad it wasn't about them.

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

I can name more than 2 characters in thoughs tapes. Excuse me a moment, I'm going to watch the opening again and name them in order.

Before I do though, you're right, they didn't show Optimus Prime or Orian Pax but they did show Megatron. In fact Megatron was the first character shown that could actully be named.

Then we can see Thundercracker and Skywarp chaseing Wheeljack and Bumblebee. And that clip was taken from the verry first episode of G1.

There I just named 5 characters and only one was in robot mode. There were allso a couple guys that looked simular to Omega Supreme but neither had the correct coloring to be him.

Well your wrong.There were 2 G1 characters showen in robot modes and the one's we saw in alt modes can really be said to be their G1 counterparts.Over the years we saw other G1 alt modes in other TF serries and they were not the same G1 characters.


Like I said in my post :

The clips they used were very generic and only featured 2 characters in robot mode that could be named.

The rest were drones of some alt modes that could be anybody in this serries even if we as old fans could name them.

First of all G1 was full of Animation errors useing the Cybertron seaker design and altering color pateren so none of use could really be sure if it was intended to be the same characters of just some generic seekers and G1 Bumblebee and G1 Wheeljack were only showen in Alt modes.

If Hasbro wanted to connect G1 to Animated why did they make sure that none of the characters you mention were showen in robot modes?

The Omega Supreme look alikes are knowen as Guardin Robots and they were Drones.They were drones back in the G1 serries.

The only G1 character that was showen in Robot mode in the history tapes besides Megatron was Dion from the episode "War Dawn".

Which is also basicly a other "NOD" to the old fans because it is a common belieaf in the fandom [and a hot debate] that Dion is the robot that would one day become Ultra Magnus.

But no offical story has ever really stated this.
There's no proof in the "history tapes" to say that Animated is connected to G1.

So like I said in my last post.......There's no proof in the "history tapes" to say that Animated is connected to G1.

I was only speaking of his robot mode. I have not seen his alt mode yet but I'd imagine it's going to be an Earth version of his Cybertronian mode sence all the Autobots seemed to just change into Earth versions of their cybertronian modes.

Animated Megatron's alt mode will be a Helicopter.

Read my entire post. Notice how I made a point to list things where they originated at? The point was to list reused ideas from each series that appear in Animated not list how many times the ideas were reused before Animated.

I did read your whole post and my point being that no connection can be made between G1 and animated by stateing the things that Animated re-used from G1

Anyway Megatron's Earth robot mode looks like a styalized version of G1 Megatron's robot mode. Allso if you look at his fusion canon in both Earth and Cybertron forms there's a homage to the voice actor. His fusion canon is shaped like Shockwave's head.

I'll have to look again because I didnt notice that.

Ok is a little simular.

I honestly think they started by making it a G1 sequel, then started incorporating other ideas. IE, movie elements such as the Allspark, Megatron crashing on earth and being discovered by humans, or beast wars elements such as Optimus being a ship commander but not the Autobot Supreme leader. I'd say its loosley based on G1, but not necessiraly apart of the continuity.

The animation doesn't seem as bad when you're into an episode.

I dont think thats the case.There are way to many inconsistances to draw that conclusion and you can see from the show's basic premess that TF's and Humans have never really heard of each other.

The way I see it they started out as a new universe and then added in elements from G1 and the other serries.

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

My friend was right. Prime doesn't really look like a robot, and he doesn't really look like a real truck. So it's really hard to look at him and see PRIME instead of seeing a goofy hyperdeformed blue and red thing that's calling itself Prime.

That depends on how you define a real truck.
Optimus Prime has been different kinds of trucks before.

Some of the toys look fun. Starscream and Megatron are of course must haves, but some of the others like Cybertron Prime and 'Voyager priced/Deluxe sized' Bulkhead I think I'll be passing on.

I'll be passing on most of the new figgures.

Anyway have you guys seen this yet????

[Dead Metal]

My friend was right. Prime doesn't really look like a robot, and he doesn't really look like a real truck. So it's really hard to look at him and see PRIME instead of seeing a goofy hyperdeformed blue and red thing that's calling itself Prime.

That depends on how you define a real truck.
Optimus Prime has been different kinds of trucks before.

Some of the toys look fun. Starscream and Megatron are of course must haves, but some of the others like Cybertron Prime and 'Voyager priced/Deluxe sized' Bulkhead I think I'll be passing on.

I'll be passing on most of the new figgures.

Anyway have you guys seen this yet????

Yes, saw that in one of the first promo clips, yes it was the first promo clip, were everybody cheers cos of SS.
Just love Grimlock, he's just like G1 Grim, just in the animated style.

[Autobot032]

I'm a little tired of the Dinobots, to be honest. I'm a little worn out with 'em to be honest. =\

Constructicons could go the way of the Dodo for all I care, too.

But...the Dino angle will bring more kids to the show, plus the Constructicons (if they combine) will please a lot of collectors and older fans.

Gotta pander to everyone I guess.

[Tekka]

Why are you tired of the Dinobots?

[Dead Metal]

Why are you tired of the Dinobots?

Cos they turn up every 20 years.

[Tekka]

Why are you tired of the Dinobots?

Cos they turn up every 20 years.

You're right. How dare they keep appearing so often.

[Dead Metal]

Why are you tired of the Dinobots?

Cos they turn up every 20 years.

You're right. How dare they keep appearing so often.

Some one should sue them! Along with Devastator and and Roller, serves them right to show up so often!

[Saber Prime]

I did read your whole post and my point being that no connection can be made between G1 and animated by stateing the things that Animated re-used from G1.

Uh... WHAT?

Seriously I have no idea how to respond to that. What the heck are you talking about?

I listed things that Animated reused from every series but that list had nothing to do with the argument. That was just there in response to something else that I can't seem to find at the moment.

Anyway what do you mean there's no proof "IN" the "History Tape" to tie Animated with G1? You're looking "IN" the tapes for proof? I don't understand. The fact the tapes exsist at all IS the Proof. You don't need to look "IN" the tapes, you need to look "AT" the tapes.

They're watching footage that's clearly G1 cartoon and Optimus Clearly states that Ratchet was there.

And as for Hasbro "Making sure" not to show anyone in Robot Mode. What about Megatron? HE IS SEEN IN ROBOT MODE! Kinda shoots down that argument doesn't it. (Pun not intended)

There are several Beast Wars characters who share the same names as G1 characters and a few that were spicifically stated to BE G1 Characters. The Animated characters could allso be like that where some are G1 characters and others just happen to share the same names as G1 characters.

I'd say Animated was set some time between G1 and Beast Wars, before everyone get's down sized sence Maximals and Predacons don't seem to exsist yet. That would of course mean that BW Blackarachnia took her name from this Blackarachnia but they are definatly not the same characters.

Now if Animated had no Conection to G1 the History tapes should have been full of generic robots and non-show toys like they've done with every other series that showed Transformers other than the main cast.

In fact why show "History Tapes" at all? Why not just have Optimus reading from some electronic book?

There's just no reason to show G1 footage and call it "History" unless G1 is actully tied to their history.

[woosh]

I wonder how the dinobots will be introduced to the series. will they be built by the autobots or will they be like theme park robo dinosaurs come alive?

[Tekka]

Theme park dinosaurs come to life. Better than a Mountain Dew vending machine and an XBox360 I guess.

[Dead Metal]

Saber Prime
Yes there is!
You seem to be forgetting that this show is made by a team of TF fans, they used that for the other fans to get into it as a little hint the first ever show.
Look at the quality of the tapes, they are really bad pic quality, makes them look old.

Prime said that Ratchet was in that war, cos Ratchet is an old bot and was in the grate war in which the Cons were defeated.

Why not let him read out of a book? What would a kid prefer, seeing a bot reading or seeing robots fighting?

This is not connected to G1, unless:
This is a different planet, and takes place during the end of G1.

[Autobot032]

Why are you tired of the Dinobots?

1.) The whole "Me Grimlock! Me King!" thing was great when we were kids (and will probably do well with today's youth) but for me...I preferred seeing them as intelligent as the G2 comic had shown them. (Granted, they're based on real dinosaurs, so of course they'll be stupid...but sometimes I could use more than stupid coupled with brute strength)

2.) I'm not that big of a dinosaur fan anymore. Growing up, of course, I loved the Dinobots and dinosaur anything. I even enjoyed all three Jurassic Park movies (yes, including III, though it was quite terrible. lol) after all of that, plus BW Dinobot spoiling me...I'm a little worn out with dino anything.

3.) They don't always make for the best of figures. Classics Grimlock is quite crappy, honestly. I own him because I'm a completest...but if he hadn't been made, I'd have been fine without him.

I would like to see some fresh ideas. I don't mind them modernizing the original ideas and spin offs, etc. But the Dinobots and Constructicons just seem to be so G1 and old school that they can't really shake the stigma of being outdated and worn out. (at least for me, I'm sure one or two other people might agree with me.)

Why are you tired of the Dinobots?

Cos they turn up every 20 years.

:P

Why are you tired of the Dinobots?

Cos they turn up every 20 years.

You're right. How dare they keep appearing so often.

And a double shot of for you.

Uh... WHAT?

Seriously I have no idea how to respond to that. What the heck are you talking about?

I listed things that Animated reused from every series but that list had nothing to do with the argument. That was just there in response to something else that I can't seem to find at the moment.

Anyway what do you mean there's no proof "IN" the "History Tape" to tie Animated with G1? You're looking "IN" the tapes for proof? I don't understand. The fact the tapes exsist at all IS the Proof. You don't need to look "IN" the tapes, you need to look "AT" the tapes.

They're watching footage that's clearly G1 cartoon and Optimus Clearly states that Ratchet was there.

And as for Hasbro "Making sure" not to show anyone in Robot Mode. What about Megatron? HE IS SEEN IN ROBOT MODE! Kinda shoots down that argument doesn't it. (Pun not intended)

There are several Beast Wars characters who share the same names as G1 characters and a few that were spicifically stated to BE G1 Characters. The Animated characters could allso be like that where some are G1 characters and others just happen to share the same names as G1 characters.

I'd say Animated was set some time between G1 and Beast Wars, before everyone get's down sized sence Maximals and Predacons don't seem to exsist yet. That would of course mean that BW Blackarachnia took her name from this Blackarachnia but they are definatly not the same characters.

Now if Animated had no Conection to G1 the History tapes should have been full of generic robots and non-show toys like they've done with every other series that showed Transformers other than the main cast.

In fact why show "History Tapes" at all? Why not just have Optimus reading from some electronic book?

There's just no reason to show G1 footage and call it "History" unless G1 is actully tied to their history.

Thank you. Glad someone else besides me saw the connection and stood up and actually said something. I gotta warn you though, your opinion will be torn apart and they'll basically do everything short of getting warned to call you stupid and tell you how wrong you are. I finally let it go in one ear, out the other and figure "Screw 'em." Until we have a definitive answer, there's no way to know so neither side is right...I guess.

Some one should sue them! Along with Devastator and and Roller, serves them right to show up so often!

Oh har har. I still think they suck.

I wonder how the dinobots will be introduced to the series. will they be built by the autobots or will they be like theme park robo dinosaurs come alive?

According to my DVR's guide's description....Professor Sumdac upgrades them and they become alive. Then they become friends. Aww.

[Saber Prime]

In response to the Dinobots.

Yes I seen that picture on Wiki.

And the Dinobots will be built by Professor Sumdac out of some Cybertronian technoligy and busted up theme park robots. At least that's what it says on their Wiki page. There's allso some contridicting information regarding Ultra Magnus and Sentinal Prime. Both their pages say their the supreme commanders but according the series only Ultra Magnus really is. Sentinal Prime works under Magus so neither of the characters with the name Prime are verry important. That's a big turn around from Vector Prime's "No I'm not related to Optimus. Prime is a title given to all Cybertronians with important jobs."

[woosh]

Wait a minute... if ratchet took part in the war, why do BB and Prime know nothing about it?
At this point i'm goung to quote Kitty-DCE from youtube:

THEY MADE ****!

[Saber Prime]

Wait a minute... if ratchet took part in the war, why do BB and Prime know nothing about it?
At this point i'm goung to quote Kitty-DCE from youtube:

THEY MADE ****-UPS!

Because so far only Ratchet has really been said to have been in that War. Everyone else are new characters that just happen to have the same names.

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

Anyway what do you mean there's no proof "IN" the "History Tape" to tie Animated with G1? You're looking "IN" the tapes for proof? I don't understand. The fact the tapes exsist at all IS the Proof. You don't need to look "IN" the tapes, you need to look "AT" the tapes.

They're watching footage that's clearly G1 cartoon and Optimus Clearly states that Ratchet was there.

And as for Hasbro "Making sure" not to show anyone in Robot Mode. What about Megatron? HE IS SEEN IN ROBOT MODE! Kinda shoots down that argument doesn't it. (Pun not intended)

No it does'nt.All the history tapes and Megatron being there prove is that the Animated universe had a history simular to that of G1.

Thats it.Thats all it proves.Remember that all the Transformer universe's exsist in a multiverse so one universe having a past simular to that of an other one is very possible.

Animated Optimus is a big believer in learning from history.....if the Animated past was in fact any of the G1's that we know of then he would at least know what a human was.

If Animated Ratchet was G1 Ratchet then he would have been able to identifye organic matiral and he was not able to.

There are several Beast Wars characters who share the same names as G1 characters and a few that were spicifically stated to BE G1 Characters. The Animated characters could allso be like that where some are G1 characters and others just happen to share the same names as G1 characters.

What does that prove.

I'd say Animated was set some time between G1 and Beast Wars, before everyone get's down sized sence Maximals and Predacons don't seem to exsist yet. That would of course mean that BW Blackarachnia took her name from this Blackarachnia but they are definatly not the same characters.

Again nice theroy but the facts dont suport it.

Now if Animated had no Conection to G1 the History tapes should have been full of generic robots and non-show toys like they've done with every other series that showed Transformers other than the main cast.

Cybertron showed G1's Optimus Prime,Ultra Magnus,Hot Rod [or Rodimus Prime] and Jazz in robot mode's and G1 Soundwave in alt mode but the serries had no real connection to the G1 serries

Energon showed a few different G1 characters like Bumblebee and Straif in Robot modes and again no connection to G1

In fact why show "History Tapes" at all? Why not just have Optimus reading from some electronic book?

To give a nod to the older fans and to start up this kind of buzz for the new show

There's just no reason to show G1 footage and call it "History" unless G1 is actully tied to their history.

Like I said all those tapes show is that Animated shared a past simular to that of G1.

[AxiomScion]

I have to agree with the Klingon on this.

For Animated to be a continuation of G1 would also require earth to already know about TFs.

Ratchet is old. Old enough to have been in a war that the latest model TFs weren't functioning in the middle of. Without posting spoilers I think it's safe to say none of the other earth based Autobots participated in the great war that this Prime was watching history tapes on.

hmm.. I don't quite see this Prime as a younger G1. Am I alone on this one or does he seem to have some Primal characteristics instead?

Also for Animated BA to fit in nicely before BW, she couldn't be organic like a BW predacon without predating the Maximal upgrade. Then again the way Animated's art style goes she could be a metal alt like the G1 insecticons.

Animated is just a reboot that barrows heavily on pre-established TF lore and concepts.

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

I forgot something in my last post.

I'd say Animated was set some time between G1 and Beast Wars,

The math doesnt match up if your right.

Animated Ratchet said that the "Great War" ended all those "centuries" ago.

Beast Wars was around three centuries after the eventual end of the "Great War".

So if your right Animated had to happen in the 3 centuries inbetween the end of the Great War and the Beast Wars and if thats the case Animated Ratchet's dialog is in error because it could not have been "all all those centuries ago" like he said.

At best it could have only been 1 centuriy and a half ago.

Also if you had whached the episode on TV all the promos said that this was a fresh start for the Transformers

I have to agree with the Klingon on this.

For Animated to be a continuation of G1 would also require earth to already know about TFs.

Ratchet is old. Old enough to have been in a war that the latest model TFs weren't functioning in the middle of. Without posting spoilers I think it's safe to say none of the other earth based Autobots participated in the great war that this Prime was watching history tapes on.

hmm.. I don't quite see this Prime as a younger G1. Am I alone on this one or does he seem to have some Primal characteristics instead?

Also for Animated BA to fit in nicely before BW, she couldn't be organic like a BW predacon without predating the Maximal upgrade. Then again the way Animated's art style goes she could be a metal alt like the G1 insecticons.

Animated is just a reboot that barrows heavily on pre-established TF lore and concepts.

Thank you.I could post a list of thing that would be inconsistancecie if Animated were part of G1.

And none of them would be the obvious ones.

[Sabrblade]

You forgot something, Sto.

The G1 movie and third seaon took place in 2005 and 2006 (2010 in the Japanese version) in the 21st Century. Animated takes place in the 22nd Century. Now we all should know that 1 century = 100 years. If this series was in the same universe as G1, then how could Spike, Carly, and Daniel be alive and well (and youthful) for 100 years without any explanation?

That one can really give a guy a headache.

[Robinson]

You forgot something, Sto.

The G1 movie and third seaon took place in 2005 and 2006 (2010 in the Japanese version) in the 21st Century. Animated takes place in the 22nd Century. Now we all should know that 1 century = 100 years. If this series was in the same universe as G1, then how could Spike, Carly, and Daniel be alive and well (and youthful) for 100 years without any explanation?

That one can really give a guy a headache.

Here is the Non Headache explanation.

It Wasn't Them.

[TheMuffin]

Heres the even more non headache version.

THEY ARE NOT CONNECTED TO EACH OTHER!