The Energon Pub

[PrymeStriker]

anyone else notice megatron's eyes were red again. animation mistake or is he off the "juice" currently?

awesome episode. loved and hated the sound wheeljack made as he hobbled in at the end.

He's been off the juice for 15/16 of Season 2. The only time he's been filled with Dark Energon this season is in Flying Mind.

[njb902]

anyone else notice megatron's eyes were red again. animation mistake or is he off the "juice" currently?

awesome episode. loved and hated the sound wheeljack made as he hobbled in at the end.

He's been off the juice for 15/16 of Season 2. The only time he's been filled with Dark Energon this season is in Flying Mind.

right I already knew that.

[PrymeStriker]

anyone else notice megatron's eyes were red again. animation mistake or is he off the "juice" currently?

awesome episode. loved and hated the sound wheeljack made as he hobbled in at the end.

He's been off the juice for 15/16 of Season 2. The only time he's been filled with Dark Energon this season is in Flying Mind.

right I already knew that.

If you already knew that, then you (and we) would've noticed his eyes were red again long ago. Flying Mind was 5 episodes ago.

[BeastProwl]

I just read the prequel comic. Shifting art styles aside, good stuff.
But there's something that's getting to me. How did they get the nemesis to earth exactly? It looked like only Starscream made it through the Space Bridge. I must have missed something. Is there a part two to this thing? Because I never saw Soundwave or Megatron.

Because Soundwave & Megatron aren't in it. It's just Starscream & Breakdown, with Vehicons.

What I mean is, were exactly are they?
And the nemesis?

[njb902]

anyone else notice megatron's eyes were red again. animation mistake or is he off the "juice" currently?

awesome episode. loved and hated the sound wheeljack made as he hobbled in at the end.

He's been off the juice for 15/16 of Season 2. The only time he's been filled with Dark Energon this season is in Flying Mind.

right I already knew that.

If you already knew that, then you (and we) would've noticed his eyes were red again long ago. Flying Mind was 5 episodes ago.

[Sabrblade]

I just read the prequel comic. Shifting art styles aside, good stuff.
But there's something that's getting to me. How did they get the nemesis to earth exactly? It looked like only Starscream made it through the Space Bridge. I must have missed something. Is there a part two to this thing? Because I never saw Soundwave or Megatron.

Because Soundwave & Megatron aren't in it. It's just Starscream & Breakdown, with Vehicons.

What I mean is, were exactly are they?
And the nemesis?

Megs was probably still off on his three-year space travel, while Soundwave might have been aboard the Nemesis. As for the Nemesis, it was probably already flying in the skies of Earth, just away from where the comic took place. Notice the comic made Starscream feel familiar with Earth, as though he had been there before? Perhaps he was back on Cybertron for a mission and was going to return to Earth at some point anyway.

[PrymeStriker]

I just read the prequel comic. Shifting art styles aside, good stuff.
But there's something that's getting to me. How did they get the nemesis to earth exactly? It looked like only Starscream made it through the Space Bridge. I must have missed something. Is there a part two to this thing? Because I never saw Soundwave or Megatron.

Because Soundwave & Megatron aren't in it. It's just Starscream & Breakdown, with Vehicons.

What I mean is, were exactly are they?
And the nemesis?

Megs was probably still off on his three-year space travel, while Soundwave might have been aboard the Nemesis. As for the Nemesis, it was probably already flying in the skies of Earth, just away from where the comic took place. Notice the comic made Starscream feel familiar with Earth, as though he had been there before? Perhaps he was back on Cybertron for a mission and was going to return to Earth at some point anyway.

Right, the 'cons came to Earth, but Megatron left on his three-year voyage of the galaxy

Starscream went back to Cybertron to build & supervise the construction of a space bridge when Megatron gave him orders to reconstruct the space bridge system. This is the reason why they were building a space bridge on Earth for most of Season 1.

anyone else notice megatron's eyes were red again. animation mistake or is he off the "juice" currently?

awesome episode. loved and hated the sound wheeljack made as he hobbled in at the end.

He's been off the juice for 15/16 of Season 2. The only time he's been filled with Dark Energon this season is in Flying Mind.

right I already knew that.

If you already knew that, then you (and we) would've noticed his eyes were red again long ago. Flying Mind was 5 episodes ago.

[njb902]

I just read the prequel comic. Shifting art styles aside, good stuff.
But there's something that's getting to me. How did they get the nemesis to earth exactly? It looked like only Starscream made it through the Space Bridge. I must have missed something. Is there a part two to this thing? Because I never saw Soundwave or Megatron.

Because Soundwave & Megatron aren't in it. It's just Starscream & Breakdown, with Vehicons.

What I mean is, were exactly are they?
And the nemesis?

Megs was probably still off on his three-year space travel, while Soundwave might have been aboard the Nemesis. As for the Nemesis, it was probably already flying in the skies of Earth, just away from where the comic took place. Notice the comic made Starscream feel familiar with Earth, as though he had been there before? Perhaps he was back on Cybertron for a mission and was going to return to Earth at some point anyway.

do you think it's possible for starscream to have been at the battle that megs latter used the dark energon on it's dead?

[BeastProwl]

I just read the prequel comic. Shifting art styles aside, good stuff.
But there's something that's getting to me. How did they get the nemesis to earth exactly? It looked like only Starscream made it through the Space Bridge. I must have missed something. Is there a part two to this thing? Because I never saw Soundwave or Megatron.

Because Soundwave & Megatron aren't in it. It's just Starscream & Breakdown, with Vehicons.

What I mean is, were exactly are they?
And the nemesis?

Megs was probably still off on his three-year space travel, while Soundwave might have been aboard the Nemesis. As for the Nemesis, it was probably already flying in the skies of Earth, just away from where the comic took place. Notice the comic made Starscream feel familiar with Earth, as though he had been there before? Perhaps he was back on Cybertron for a mission and was going to return to Earth at some point anyway.

Right, the 'cons came to Earth, but Megatron left on his three-year voyage of the galaxy

Starscream went back to Cybertron to build & supervise the construction of a space bridge when Megatron gave him orders to reconstruct the space bridge system. This is the reason why they were building a space bridge on Earth for most of Season 1

Thank you, this makes it all a bit more clear.
Now, which comic was it that you see soundwave's face?

[Sabrblade]

do you think it's possible for starscream to have been at the battle that megs latter used the dark energon on it's dead?

Dunno. The way Optimus described that battle sounded as though it happened ages ago, long before the 3-year period of no Megatron.

[Sabrblade]

Now, which comic was it that you see soundwave's face?

A UK Titan Magazines comic.

[njb902]

do you think it's possible for starscream to have been at the battle that megs latter used the dark energon on it's dead?

Dunno. The way Optimus described that battle sounded as though it happened ages ago, long before the 3-year period of no Megatron.

just thought that might be why starscream was familiar with earth. so I did mean in the far past.

[YRQRM0]

So from what I gather, the next episode will most likely be a flashback of everyone on Earth, before the first episode. Shockwave is visiting for some reason...maybe this will show him planting the insecticons? From what I gather from Foc, he created them right? And I'm guessing this flashback will be triggered from his appearance in present day? This could be pretty awesome.

[njb902]

So from what I gather, the next episode will most likely be a flashback of everyone on Earth, before the first episode. Shockwave is visiting for some reason...maybe this will show him planting the insecticons? From what I gather from Foc, he created them right? And I'm guessing this flashback will be triggered from his appearance in present day? This could be pretty awesome.

hmmmm my bet is shockwave doesn't show up in person yet. my money is on arcee sitting with the unconscious bulkhead and she is just talking to him in the event it helps his condition. so as she rambles on she starts thinking of other fallen comrades which leads her to cliffjumper, and since the insecticons(shockwave's creations) hurt bulkhead the convergence is a flashback about shockwave.

[YRQRM0]

So from what I gather, the next episode will most likely be a flashback of everyone on Earth, before the first episode. Shockwave is visiting for some reason...maybe this will show him planting the insecticons? From what I gather from Foc, he created them right? And I'm guessing this flashback will be triggered from his appearance in present day? This could be pretty awesome.

hmmmm my bet is shockwave doesn't show up in person yet. my money is on arcee sitting with the unconscious bulkhead and she is just talking to him in the event it helps his condition. so as she rambles on she starts thinking of other fallen comrades which leads her to cliffjumper, and since the insecticons(shockwave's creations) hurt bulkhead the convergence is a flashback about shockwave.

That sounds reasonable too. Also, from what I can tell, it doesn't look like the inside of the nemesis in the promo. I'm guessing it's a flashback from Cybertron.

[PrymeStriker]

So from what I gather, the next episode will most likely be a flashback of everyone on Earth, before the first episode. Shockwave is visiting for some reason...maybe this will show him planting the insecticons? From what I gather from Foc, he created them right? And I'm guessing this flashback will be triggered from his appearance in present day? This could be pretty awesome.

hmmmm my bet is shockwave doesn't show up in person yet. my money is on arcee sitting with the unconscious bulkhead and she is just talking to him in the event it helps his condition. so as she rambles on she starts thinking of other fallen comrades which leads her to cliffjumper, and since the insecticons(shockwave's creations) hurt bulkhead the convergence is a flashback about shockwave.

That sounds reasonable too. Also, from what I can tell, it doesn't look like the inside of the nemesis in the promo. I'm guessing it's a flashback from Cybertron.

It looks to me as if they are on Earth. The 'cons could just be at an outpost or Energon mine they once had. Remember, we haven't seen the whole episode. What we're seeing could be shots where they're not on the Nemesis, but the Nemesis is there nonetheless.

[Sabrblade]

It looks to me as if they are on Earth. The 'cons could just be at an outpost or Energon mine they once had. Remember, we haven't seen the whole episode. What we're seeing could be shots where they're not on the Nemesis, but the Nemesis is there nonetheless.

It looks like Cybertron to me. The clip we saw at BotCon definitely showed them to be inside some sort of Cybertronian-designed base or bunker. No organic details like dirt or rock, all metal.

[PrymeStriker]

It looks to me as if they are on Earth. The 'cons could just be at an outpost or Energon mine they once had. Remember, we haven't seen the whole episode. What we're seeing could be shots where they're not on the Nemesis, but the Nemesis is there nonetheless.

It looks like Cybertron to me. The clip we saw at BotCon definitely showed them to be inside some sort of Cybertronian-designed base or bunker. No organic details like dirt or rock, all metal.

Hmm.

Then we'll have to see. I wouldn't want it to be Cybertron because I'm tired of them using Earth character models for flashbacks on Cybertron. The flashback in Predatory was enough, I don't want a whole episode with it.

If it does turn out that way, at least Shockwave will be the up side to it.

[Fires_Of_Inferno]

Just saw the episode Hurt. Disappointed that Bulkhead didn't die meanwhile they're killing off Decepticon characters left and right. Though I guess I should have guessed that he would live given the title was "Hurt" and not "Dead". C'Mon! Kill off some Autobots already! Arcee keeps doing things stupid enough for her to die! Wheeljack is always by himself! Ratchet is old and feeble, I'm sure he can be easily picked off during the rare times when he's on the field! Bumblebee is Bumblebee so he deserves to die! Bulkhead is always getting overwhelmed by Decepticons and getting hurt big time so there's LOTS of opportunity to off him!

But no, instead Breakdown is hacked apart by a spider, Hardshell is shot once and killed, Skyquake is ripped open and crashes, and Airachnid is imprisoned. Unless Bulkhead doesn't recover until well into season 3 then the writers are taking it pretty easy on the Autobots, comparatively.

Bah.

[Archanubis]

So from what I gather, the next episode will most likely be a flashback of everyone on Earth, before the first episode. Shockwave is visiting for some reason...maybe this will show him planting the insecticons? From what I gather from Foc, he created them right? And I'm guessing this flashback will be triggered from his appearance in present day? This could be pretty awesome.

As reasonable as this does sound, I have my doubts this will explain how the Insecticons came to Earth. Both Starscream and Ratchet seemed surprised to learn there was *one* on Earth, and Starscream seems to be interacting with Shockwave in the episode.

Then again, it's not like certain 'cons haven't operated behind Starscream's back before. And Shockwave has occasionally operated his own agenda, though admittedly, he's only done so in the comics. In the cartoons, he's usually highly devoted to Megatron - though there's a first time for everything.

Just saw the episode Hurt. Disappointed that Bulkhead didn't die...

I've seen a bit of this, with some sources considering it a cop-out on the part of the writers. But I think the writers are reminding viewers that soldiers don't just survive or die - some of them are injured. And though those injuries aren't always fatal, they can be debilitating to the point where they can't and don't return to the field. This seems to be Bulk's fate - if he wakes up.

... meanwhile they're killing off Decepticon characters left and right.

Though there is a point in this. Though it does neglect the (mentioned) deaths of Tailgate and Seaspray.

[njb902]

So from what I gather, the next episode will most likely be a flashback of everyone on Earth, before the first episode. Shockwave is visiting for some reason...maybe this will show him planting the insecticons? From what I gather from Foc, he created them right? And I'm guessing this flashback will be triggered from his appearance in present day? This could be pretty awesome.

As reasonable as this does sound, I have my doubts this will explain how the Insecticons came to Earth. Both Starscream and Ratchet seemed surprised to learn there was *one* on Earth, and Starscream seems to be interacting with Shockwave in the episode.

Then again, it's not like certain 'cons haven't operated behind Starscream's back before. And Shockwave has occasionally operated his own agenda, though admittedly, he's only done so in the comics. In the cartoons, he's usually highly devoted to Megatron - though there's a first time for everything.

Just saw the episode Hurt. Disappointed that Bulkhead didn't die...

I've seen a bit of this, with some sources considering it a cop-out on the part of the writers. But I think the writers are reminding viewers that soldiers don't just survive or die - some of them are injured. And though those injuries aren't always fatal, they can be debilitating to the point where they can't and don't return to the field. This seems to be Bulk's fate - if he wakes up.

... meanwhile they're killing off Decepticon characters left and right.

Though there is a point in this. Though it does neglect the (mentioned) deaths of Tailgate and Seaspray.

I agree with ya on the injury to bulkhead. not only will it be a trial for him but also for those around him. some of the worst pain is survivors guilt. it's also hard to see your buddies like that at first.

[YRQRM0]

So from what I gather, the next episode will most likely be a flashback of everyone on Earth, before the first episode. Shockwave is visiting for some reason...maybe this will show him planting the insecticons? From what I gather from Foc, he created them right? And I'm guessing this flashback will be triggered from his appearance in present day? This could be pretty awesome.

As reasonable as this does sound, I have my doubts this will explain how the Insecticons came to Earth. Both Starscream and Ratchet seemed surprised to learn there was *one* on Earth, and Starscream seems to be interacting with Shockwave in the episode.

Then again, it's not like certain 'cons haven't operated behind Starscream's back before. And Shockwave has occasionally operated his own agenda, though admittedly, he's only done so in the comics. In the cartoons, he's usually highly devoted to Megatron - though there's a first time for everything.

Just saw the episode Hurt. Disappointed that Bulkhead didn't die...

I've seen a bit of this, with some sources considering it a cop-out on the part of the writers. But I think the writers are reminding viewers that soldiers don't just survive or die - some of them are injured. And though those injuries aren't always fatal, they can be debilitating to the point where they can't and don't return to the field. This seems to be Bulk's fate - if he wakes up.

... meanwhile they're killing off Decepticon characters left and right.

Though there is a point in this. Though it does neglect the (mentioned) deaths of Tailgate and Seaspray.

I agree with ya on the injury to bulkhead. not only will it be a trial for him but also for those around him. some of the worst pain is survivors guilt. it's also hard to see your buddies like that at first.

I want to see Bulkhead wake up, but not be able to move well, and certainly not fight. That could pull some great emotion.
As for the Insecticons, from the level one level I've seen Shockwave in so far, he seems to be characterized as a kind of mad scientist, doing all kinds of experiments that the other cons don't approve of. Maybe Starscream will banish him from Earth or something, and he leaves the insecticons as a goodbye present to all of them. I still don't know how Airachnid communicates with them so well though.

Also, the title "Out Of The Past" kinda suggests that a lot of this will have flashbacks, but that it will be triggered by something in the present, like Shockwave appearing. OR, maybe Arcee gets emotional about Bulkhead, and it reminds her about Tailgate, and we finally get to see everything that went on before he died.

[Archanubis]

I agree with ya on the injury to bulkhead. not only will it be a trial for him but also for those around him. some of the worst pain is survivors guilt. it's also hard to see your buddies like that at first.

Not sure "survivor's guilt" will enter into this (we've seen a bit of it in Arcee and, to small degree, Optimus). However, I do agree that it will be painful for his friends to see him in that condition. And one wonders how Bulk will handle it.

As for the Insecticons, from the level one level I've seen Shockwave in so far, he seems to be characterized as a kind of mad scientist, doing all kinds of experiments that the other cons don't approve of. Maybe Starscream will banish him from Earth or something, and he leaves the insecticons as a goodbye present to all of them.

Perhaps. He was the one who created the Dinobots' forms.

I still don't know how Airachnid communicates with them so well though.

Well, she does say she's a "related" to them. And we do see variations in "Fall of Cybertron" in the form of Kickback, Hardshell, and Sureshock. Airachnid could have been a variation that wasn't seen in game.

Also, the title "Out Of The Past" kinda suggests that a lot of this will have flashbacks, but that it will be triggered by something in the present, like Shockwave appearing. OR, maybe Arcee gets emotional about Bulkhead, and it reminds her about Tailgate, and we finally get to see everything that went on before he died.

I agree with Sabreblade; Arcee will probably be trying to comfort Miko with a story about her and Cliffjumper.

[Sabrblade]

I agree with Sabreblade; Arcee will probably be trying to comfort Miko with a story about her and Cliffjumper.

And I agree with whoever it was who thought up that idea first. Don't remember who it was, but he/she pretty much guessed it would have Arcee telling Miko about one of her adventures with Cliffjumper.

[BeastProwl]

Great Episode, Shockwave's voice was excellent!

And he said "Illogical"

Basically though, this is just the prequel comic, but with a few tweaks. OK quite a few.

But all and all, I cant complain, really. It was a fun, informative episode.