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[Sabrblade]

But what started as me cracking wise at Sabrblade's Autobot propaganda

*Who's* Autobot propaganda? Certainly not mine, since I was just transcribing what was written onscreen.

How do you download an episode?
Without downloading from some website

What's this, all of a sudden?

[Superwheeljack]

How do you download an episode?
Without downloading from some website

What's this, all of a sudden? [/quote]

I'm just wondering....
because I don't have Direct-TV because theres too much junk on there and other satelite carriers. I'm just wondering.

[Superwheeljack]

How do you download an episode?
Without downloading from some website

What's this, all of a sudden?

I'm just wondering....
because I don't have Direct-TV because theres too much junk on there and other satelite carriers. I'm just wondering.

[Sabrblade]

Why would you have to download them when they're readily available to watch in online streaming?

Also, what about a Digital Cable provider instead of Satellite?

[VirusCarnage]

How do you download an episode?
Without downloading from some website

Download Youtube downloader http://download.cnet.com/YTD-Video-Downloader/3000-2071_4-10647340.html and all you do is copy the link from an episode on youtube press download and there you have the episaode in either .FLV or. MP4 depending on its mood.

[Superwheeljack]

Why would you have to download them when they're readily available to watch in online streaming?

Also, what about a Digital Cable provider instead of Satellite?

With all the crap on now?
I'm sticking with bunny ears, thank you
Had them since I was a kid, so i'm fine

[Sabrblade]

With all the crap on now?
I'm sticking with bunny ears, thank you
Had them since I was a kid, so i'm fine

Ew.

Those antennae were a bane of my existence as a kid, always struggling to get a decent reception, sometimes having to hang them from a shelf or off the wall. When we finally got basic cable, I dropped those cockamamie devices in a heartbeat!

So, rabbit ears, eh? Guess that means you only get like, what, ten channels? No Nick or CN? No TVLand or ABC Family? No TBS or AMC? No FX or SyFy? No BET or WGN? you're missing out on a lot, man, and not just those.

But I digress.

Why download the episodes when you can watch them in HD on YouTube?

[VirusCarnage]

Why would you have to download them when they're readily available to watch in online streaming?

Well to be fair, I download them on my PC and phone so I can watch them during class or if internet is out due to storms which happens quite often here.

[King Kuuga]

The rules say no talking about anything illegal, such as downloading copyrighted material. Technically just uploading it on YouTube is also illegal, but that's a different kettle of fish. If you want to download the episodes, buy them on iTunes. Otherwise, subscribe to Netflix, get cable or satellite, or buy the DVDs/Blu Rays. Nothing is free.

[Shadowman]

Like I said, everything for the betterment of scientific knowledge, without scruples like "morality".

...that doesn't make him good, "no morality" is the definition of evil.

Nay, it is the definition of ambivalence. Evil, I would argue, requires action. To borrow a TV tropes term, I'd see Shockwave as a Well Intentioned Extremist rather than an outright villain.

You do understand that the vast majority of examples on the Well Intentioned Extremist page are villains, right? Most of the examples feature genocide or attempted genocide as part of their resumé. The first example under comics is Doctor Doom!

He's a villain, pure and simple.

[Superwheeljack]

With all the crap on now?
I'm sticking with bunny ears, thank you
Had them since I was a kid, so i'm fine

Ew.

Those antennae were a bane of my existence as a kid, always struggling to get a decent reception, sometimes having to hang them from a shelf or off the wall. When we finally got basic cable, I dropped those cockamamie devices in a heartbeat!

So, rabbit ears, eh? Guess that means you only get like, what, ten channels? No Nick or CN? No TVLand or ABC Family? No TBS or AMC? No FX or SyFy? No BET or WGN? you're missing out on a lot, man, and not just those.

But I digress.

Why download the episodes when you can watch them in HD on YouTube?

All I watch on tv is the news.
CN and Nick are just stupid.
What's ABC family?
Whats BET and WGN?

[King Kuuga]

Whatever your reasons may be for choosing not to go beyond very basic broadcast television, there are several legitimate and illegitimate ways to get your Transformers fix. I have previously listed the legitimate ones, and we are forbidden from discussing the illegitimate ones, so I don't think there is anything further to say on this issue. Let's turn the discussion back to the Status Quo adventures of the Autobots and their shockingly few real enemies.* I swear, if we don't see at least some of the deluxe Predacons appear in the actual show....

*I'm speaking in terms of actual named Decepticons/Predacons. Vehicons and Insecticons only exist as cannon fodder, so the Autobots can appear outnumbered in battle, and then scrap them all without sacrificing cast members.

[Henry921]

You do understand that the vast majority of examples on the Well Intentioned Extremist page are villains, right? Most of the examples feature genocide or attempted genocide as part of their resumé. The first example under comics is Doctor Doom!

He's a villain, pure and simple.

Shockwave is not a character -at least in the Aligned continuity portrayals- I would describe as "pure" or "simple." So few of his actions are motivated for his personal benefit that it's hard to see him as a "bad guy". He works for the Decepticons, sure, but there's nothing evil about pursuing scientific knowledge, or using the knowledge he's gained to reverse engineer space bridges and clone extinct Cybertronian life forms.

Shockwave is only a villain because of the sigil he wears, not because of his actions. Should we not begrudge Optimus for destroying the Omega Lock, thus dooming Cybertron to remain lifeless? Should we not see the Wreckers as amoral wetwork mercenaries?

Shockwave is a scientist. Science itself is neither good nor bad. Shockwave's motivations -what we've been privy to and haven't been obfuscated- have been to reboot Cybertron, find a planet with a supply of natural energy, find new, more energy-efficient bodies for Cybertronians (the third point tying into the second, with the Dinobots serving as a test, and the Insecticons possibly a related experiment), and later to use the same information in serving his leader.

Megatron is a villain, I have no doubts about that. Those who serve him, on the other hand...

[Sabrblade]

Shockwave is a scientist. Science itself is neither good nor bad. Shockwave's motivations -what we've been privy to and haven't been obfuscated- have been to reboot Cybertron, find a planet with a supply of natural energy, find new, more energy-efficient bodies for Cybertronians (the third point tying into the second, with the Dinobots serving as a test, and the Insecticons possibly a related experiment), and later to use the same information in serving his leader.

And what were his motivations for turning Trypticon Station into a primal, yet intelligent, monster of destruction?

[Henry921]

]And what were his motivations for turning Trypticon Station into a primal, yet intelligent, monster of destruction?

I hate it when Exodus gets dragged out... it is easily the greatest flaw in the Aligned continuity.

Anyway.

Throughout Exodus, Shockwave experiments on a variety of Cybertronian life, notably creating Bruticus and Devastator. After Shockwave transformed Trypticon into a Decepticon, the station spawned Drones and Mini-Cons. While Trypticon himself certainly wasn't very energy efficient, sparkless workers fighting on the side of the Decepticons would've aided their war effort without causing harm to the Decepticon ranks or Trypticon himself for comparatively miniscule amounts of energy.

As we are not privy to his insights, I have no explanation for why he modified Trypticon in the first place, other than following Megatron's orders. The above experimentation and energy efficiency is nothing more than my personal canon.



I mean, why do we keep discussing Exodus anyway? It's just a badly written novel that will be endlessly contradicted by other media and eventually Hasbro's own statements.

[Sabrblade]

Well, we could discuss Exiles instead, in which Shockwave was pretty much King of Cybertron.

[Henry921]

Well, we could discuss Exiles instead, in which Shockwave was pretty much King of Cybertron.

Really, I'd be quick to disavow both Irvine novels.

I really hope some day Hasbro gets this all straight and either leaks the Binder of Revelation or gives us a definitive say on what is canon and what isn't.

I'd be perfectly happy making the two video games a micro-continuity, like the Tales of Beast Hunters seems to be.

[Sabrblade]

Well, we could discuss Exiles instead, in which Shockwave was pretty much King of Cybertron.

Really, I'd be quick to disavow both Irvine novels.

Even when the season 1 finale of Prime pretty much built its backstory around the first few chapters of Exodus?

Honestly, despite the obvious flaws and irritations of the novels, they're currently the closest we'll ever get to the stuff written in the Binder, since they're the source of Aligned fiction that draws the most from it. Without them, most of the continuity's known fictional history would be blank and lifeless.

[Shadowman]

So few of his actions are motivated for his personal benefit that it's hard to see him as a "bad guy".

I hate to drag in Godwin's Law, but Hitler did what he did for the sake of Germany. Just because you're not doing it for personal gain doesn't make it right.

He works for the Decepticons, sure, but there's nothing evil about pursuing scientific knowledge, or using the knowledge he's gained to reverse engineer space bridges and clone extinct Cybertronian life forms.

No, but there's plenty evil about using live, unwilling test subjects to be forcibly made into said extinct species.

Shockwave is only a villain because of the sigil he wears, not because of his actions. Should we not begrudge Optimus for destroying the Omega Lock, thus dooming Cybertron to remain lifeless? Should we not see the Wreckers as amoral wetwork mercenaries?

Optimus destroyed the Omega Lock in order to prevent the death of all life on Earth, and even then, all he really did was stall Cybertron's eventual restoration. Shockwave mutilated people to turn them into living weapons for Megatron.

Shockwave is a scientist. Science itself is neither good nor bad. Shockwave's motivations -what we've been privy to and haven't been obfuscated- have been to reboot Cybertron, find a planet with a supply of natural energy, find new, more energy-efficient bodies for Cybertronians (the third point tying into the second, with the Dinobots serving as a test, and the Insecticons possibly a related experiment), and later to use the same information in serving his leader.

Are you sure you're not thinking of Shattered Glass? I haven't played FOC yet, but so far from what I have seen, Shockwave is far from a heroic Decepticon.

Megatron is a villain, I have no doubts about that. Those who serve him, on the other hand...

Are also villains.

[Henry921]

So few of his actions are motivated for his personal benefit that it's hard to see him as a "bad guy".

I hate to drag in Godwin's Law, but Hitler did what he did for the sake of Germany. Just because you're not doing it for personal gain doesn't make it right.

Granted, but the same argument can be made about any extremist. I'd also argue there's a huge difference between what actions are acceptable for the sake of the health of a single country versus what actions are acceptable for the sake of an entire planet. Hitler killed 6,000,000 people for his country. Shockwave tortured five Autobot POWs for the sake of Cybertronians as a whole.

Shockwave is a scientist. Science itself is neither good nor bad. Shockwave's motivations -what we've been privy to and haven't been obfuscated- have been to reboot Cybertron, find a planet with a supply of natural energy, find new, more energy-efficient bodies for Cybertronians (the third point tying into the second, with the Dinobots serving as a test, and the Insecticons possibly a related experiment), and later to use the same information in serving his leader.

Are you sure you're not thinking of Shattered Glass? I haven't played FOC yet, but so far from what I have seen, Shockwave is far from a heroic Decepticon.

SG Shockwave is an ambassador, not a scientist. As far as I know, anyway. If you play Fall of Cybertron and listen to Shockwave's logs you learn about his experiments with the Dinobots and the Insecticon swarm and how their organic components make their bodies more energy efficient.

Megatron is a villain, I have no doubts about that. Those who serve him, on the other hand...

Are also villains.

Well, no, I'd say they're not. Especially in the case of Soundwave, Shockwave, Dreadwing and the Vehicons.

The Decepticons are the majority of the remaining Cybertronian race. The Autobots are a small resistance movement fighting to restore an old order that caused the oppression that led to the Decepticon uprising in the first place.

Megatron may have once been an idealist, but he has come full circle to tyrant. Starscream is an overly ambitious jerk with a sadistic streak. Knock Out is a medic, but prefers hurting people to injuring them. Breakdown is just a thug, apparently. Airachnid is quite possibly worse than all of them.

Soundwave is a former gladiator and member of that oppressed minority. He saw Megatron as the savior of Cybertron and the one who would return the planet from corruption to a new Golden Age. He also took the Mini-Cons, rejected by other facets of Cybertronian society, as his own allies and led to their joining the Decepticon ranks, despite Megatron's disapproval. He also apparently keeps an historical record of the war, and is quite possibly the only one left doing so.

Shockwave I've covered.

Dreadwing is a warrior first, and Decepticon second. I think we saw firsthand that his honor and loyalty to his twin outweighed any allegiance to the Decepticons. He followed Megatron because Megatron was his master, but clearly had standards on what he deemed permissible. Optimus clearly views his Decepticon allegiance as a tragedy, though Dreadwing himself cannot ultimately join the Autobots, as he has become embittered by the long conflict and the damage done to their homeworld.

And the Vehicons. Despite getting little characterization, they are apparently happy to follow Megatron. They believe in him as their master and the rightful leader of their race. They have also been shown to have something resembling a democratic process, as they voted to bring Knock Out and Breakdown aboard to repair Megatron, and Starscream honored the results.

As Ratchet put it:

"Being a Decepticon is a choice."


And in this continuity, while the Decepticons have monsters in their ranks, many more of their number are fighting to restore Cybertron's golden age, which the Autobots have prevented.

[Sabrblade]

Episode 24 aired on Vortexx this morning, and had five edits.

1. After Optimus asked why the Blood of Unicron was erupting from beneath the Earth, the bit of Megatron responding with "A question, Optimus, that you shall take to your grave," was cut.

2. The bit of Miko asking "The Cons killed a unicorn?" and the confused look of the Autobots that followed, were cut. Thus, after Ratchet wondered what the Blood of Unicron was doing here on Earth, Miko immediately started rambling on about what a unicorn is without ever even mentioning a "unicorn" in the first place.

3. In the uncut version, Megatron says "Rivers of you very life blood rising from the depths to become one with me!" In the edited version, everything before "Become one with me!" was cut out, with the audio of the word "become" playing over the few milliseconds of video that played when he originally said the words "Rivers of" in the uncut version.

4. In the uncut version, Fowler walks in and says "What have you learned, Prime? And you better not blow smoke up my-- uh, oh, ahem, Miss Darby... what a nice surprise." In the edited version, everything before "Miss Darby" was cut, with the audio of "Miss" playing over the lone second of his entering the room that wasn't cut out, and a shot of June and Jack from after he said the word "surprise" was inserted where he said the word "Darby".

5. The new commercial break played after Unicron said to Megatron about Optimus "I will deal with him myself," and retreated into the volcano from whence he came, leaving an irritated Megatron to gaze down into the smoking pit, coming back in at the cut away to a canyon elsewhere, where Optimus was.

[VirusCarnage]

2. The bit of Miko asking "The Cons killed a unicorn?" and the confused look of the Autobots that followed, were cut. Thus, after Ratchet wondered what the Blood of Unicron was doing here on Earth, Miko immediately started rambling on about what a unicorn is without ever even mentioning a "unicorn" in the first place.

That edit aint bad, other then making Miko ramble on about what a unicorn is, but other then that that edit I would have liked in the original.

But at least it wasn't as bad as last weeks 12 or so edits it had with like 5 of them punches lol.

[Sabrblade]

That edit aint bad, other then making Miko ramble on about what a unicorn is, but other then that that edit I would have liked in the original.

Without it, the scene now goes like this.

Jack: Megatron found more of the dark stuff?"
Arcee: "A volcano-full."
Bulkhead: "The question is 'how?'"
Ratchet: "No. The question is 'what'. As in 'what in the world is the Blood of Unicron doing here, on Earth?'"
Miko: "White horse with a horn on its head? Prances around all sparkly?"

Now it sounds like Miko's giving a nonsensical answer to Ratchet's inquiry.

But at least it wasn't as bad as last weeks 12 or so edits it had with like 5 of them punches lol.

Oh, yes, most definitely. I must have re-watched that same fight scene over and over again at least eight times just trying to get right which punches were and weren't censored. That was VERY frustrating.

[VirusCarnage]

That edit aint bad, other then making Miko ramble on about what a unicorn is, but other then that that edit I would have liked in the original.

Without it, the scene now goes like this.

Jack: Megatron found more of the dark stuff?"
Arcee: "A volcano-full."
Bulkhead: "The question is 'how?'"
Ratchet: "No. The question is 'what'. As in 'what in the world is the Blood of Unicron doing here, on Earth?'"
Miko: "White horse with a horn on its head? Prances around all sparkly?"

Now it sounds like Miko's giving a nonsensical answer to Ratchet's inquiry.

When does Miko ever make sense?

I'm kinda wanting to see that just so I can make fun of Miko more haha.

But at least it wasn't as bad as last weeks 12 or so edits it had with like 5 of them punches lol.

Oh, yes, most definitely. I must have re-watched that same fight scene over and over again at least eight times just trying to get right which punches were and weren't censored. That was VERY frustrating.

Oh god that must have been like getting a few fingers chopped off, especially if you are like me and watches and episode like 10 times at least lol.

[TurboMMaster]

Episode 24 aired on Vortexx this morning, and had five edits.

1. After Optimus asked why the Blood of Unicron was erupting from beneath the Earth, the bit of Megatron responding with "A question, Optimus, that you shall take to your grave," was cut.

2. The bit of Miko asking "The Cons killed a unicorn?" and the confused look of the Autobots that followed, were cut. Thus, after Ratchet wondered what the Blood of Unicron was doing here on Earth, Miko immediately started rambling on about what a unicorn is without ever even mentioning a "unicorn" in the first place.

3. In the uncut version, Megatron says "Rivers of you very life blood rising from the depths to become one with me!" In the edited version, everything before "Become one with me!" was cut out, with the audio of the word "become" playing over the few milliseconds of video that played when he originally said the words "Rivers of" in the uncut version.

4. In the uncut version, Fowler walks in and says "What have you learned, Prime? And you better not blow smoke up my-- uh, oh, ahem, Miss Darby... what a nice surprise." In the edited version, everything before "Miss Darby" was cut, with the audio of "Miss" playing over the lone second of his entering the room that wasn't cut out, and a shot of June and Jack from after he said the word "surprise" was inserted where he said the word "Darby".

5. The new commercial break played after Unicron said to Megatron about Optimus "I will deal with him myself," and retreated into the volcano from whence he came, leaving an irritated Megatron to gaze down into the smoking pit, coming back in at the cut away to a canyon elsewhere, where Optimus was.

If they only decide to do a opposite and make a version with more Energon spoiled, more spectacular injuries, some drug references and some racist jokes about Miko ...(Yes, i know it is impossible)