Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Sabrblade wrote:I could think of several ways they could have gone with the relationship arc between Breakdown and Bulkhead besides having Breakdown become a good guy.
Now, before I list them, keep in mind that these aren't meant to be ideas that are considered "likeable" or "better", just mere alternatives to the aforementioned cliche.
That said:
Sabrblade wrote:Or they could do the reverse and have Breakdown be the one about to kill Bulkhead, only for Bulkhead to be saved at the last minute by his allies coming in to lay a decisive killing blow to Breakdown before he could murder Bulkhead, like how Bumblebee killed Megatron as Megatron was about to Kill Optimus in "Deadlock".
Or they could have their fight to the death, in which Breakdown does get killed, but not by Bulkhead or by help from Bulkhead's allies, but inadvertently by Breakdown's own devices (like his cockiness or a weapon of his). Breakdown would make some mistake or miscalculation in their fight that would accidently yet ultimately make Breakdown responsible for his own demise. This would also rob Bulkhead of the chance to take Breakdown out himself, which he'd have to live with and get over afterward.
Sabrblade wrote:They could have had Bulkhead and Breakdown decide to have a final showdown to the death, in which Bulkhead killed Breakdown, and then felt emptiness of revenge and murder afterward, like ho Miko learned in "Hurt".
Or they could have gone in reverse and had Breakdown kill Bulkhead in said fight, in which Breakdown would feel great and would become despised by all of Team Prime, who'd want to avenge Bulkhead's death.
Or they could have had said fight end with Bulkhead about to kill Breakdown, but then decide against it on his own, preferring not to become more like his nemesis and leaving Breakdown with a warning: "Now that we know who's the better of us, I'd suggest you back off from now on, lest you want me to finish the job next time, as I might be so generous next time. Now get out of here!" Strike a little fear into the heart of the bully. Basically the "Matrix vs. Megabyte" fight ending from ReBoot.
They could have had Bulkhead come to a point in which he'd realize that his rivalry with Breakdown was just petty and meaningless, and ultimately decide to put it behind him and no longer consider it a personal matter.
Or they could have done something similar to that, but go the extra mile actually having Bulkhead forgive Breakdown for whatever it is that got Breakdown under Bulkhead's skin, deciding to become the better man of the two in their feud.
They could have had Breakdown and Bulkhead realize that the source of their rivalry was a misunderstanding from long ago, in which a third party had manipulated them into hating each other, turning Breakdown's attention away from Bulkhead and towards this other party (depending on who this would be, the story could go anywhere from here). It would also turn Bulkhead's attention away from Breakdown.
And that's just to name a few.
Jeep! wrote:Why do I imagine Dead Metal sounding exactly like Arnie?
Intah-wib-buls?
Blurrz wrote:10/10
Leave it to Dead Metal to have the word 'Pronz' in his signature.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Sabrblade wrote:Well, they did mention that the reason season 2 itself was put on fast forward was because Hasbro sprung the Predacons on them at the eleventh hour, forcing them to wrap up or cut short all of their three-to-four years of story material by that season's end, to make room for the Predacons in season 3.kaijuguy19 wrote:I wonder if they planned this same way of stupid plot handeling on the rest of the arcs in Prime the same way they did Breakdown's or were they planned out longer at first but then were made to cut short by Hasbro? I wouldn't be too shocked if it was but all the same I'd like to know.
EDIT: Ninja'd by viruscarnage.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Sabrblade wrote:The personal element between the two is what would be overcome. Take that out of the equation in the end and their story is complete. They'd still fight each other afterward, but they'd be less inclined to just fight only each other and would be more open to fighting other opponents on the battlefield.
Notice how every time they met each other in fights between several members of both teams, one or both of them would make it a point to fight each other because of that personal element between the two. Once that's overcome, however, the fights would be given more variety as those two would no longer be so willing to pulverize just each other specifically over all other combatants. Breakdown could be more willing to go for Arcee or Bumblebee or even Optimus, while Bulkhead could instead focus on fighting Knock Out or Starscream or even Megatron.
It's because of that personal element between the two that makes all of the fights they partake in become predictable and expected to have those two go specifically after each other. But once their story is concluded, the personal element would have met its purpose accordingly in a manner that would reasonably have it end without hastily forcing it out of the picture like it ultimately was.
Jeep! wrote:Why do I imagine Dead Metal sounding exactly like Arnie?
Intah-wib-buls?
Blurrz wrote:10/10
Leave it to Dead Metal to have the word 'Pronz' in his signature.
Dead Metal wrote:Sabrblade wrote:The personal element between the two is what would be overcome. Take that out of the equation in the end and their story is complete. They'd still fight each other afterward, but they'd be less inclined to just fight only each other and would be more open to fighting other opponents on the battlefield.
Notice how every time they met each other in fights between several members of both teams, one or both of them would make it a point to fight each other because of that personal element between the two. Once that's overcome, however, the fights would be given more variety as those two would no longer be so willing to pulverize just each other specifically over all other combatants. Breakdown could be more willing to go for Arcee or Bumblebee or even Optimus, while Bulkhead could instead focus on fighting Knock Out or Starscream or even Megatron.
It's because of that personal element between the two that makes all of the fights they partake in become predictable and expected to have those two go specifically after each other. But once their story is concluded, the personal element would have met its purpose accordingly in a manner that would reasonably have it end without hastily forcing it out of the picture like it ultimately was.
But you see, this element was overcome and the fights where prevented from becoming predictable, because you know, Breakdown's dead.
And all that would still have been nothing but treading worn-out boring ground.
Wigglez wrote:Just remember. The sword is an extension of your arm. Use it as if you're going to karate chop someone with your really long sharp ass hand.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
It wasn't just that line, but their intimate familiarity and hatred toward each other.spongedude93 wrote:One throw away line; "We have a history" does not obligate the writers to expand on what ever past isn't there, it let them give some vague reason for the two to always be the ones exchanging fists.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Sabrblade wrote:And, even without this personal element, their fights were still entertaining.
spongedude93 wrote:Sabrblade wrote:And, even without this personal element, their fights were still entertaining.
I agree with this
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Jeep! wrote:Why do I imagine Dead Metal sounding exactly like Arnie?
Intah-wib-buls?
Blurrz wrote:10/10
Leave it to Dead Metal to have the word 'Pronz' in his signature.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Sabrblade wrote:But my issue with their treatment of Breakdown is how they introduced him as this guy who was strongly implied to bring with him something substantial to the story, and yet ultimately brought nothing of the sort.
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TL:DR - He came in as Bulkhead's rival. We ask "What's the story of their rivalry?" Bulkhead says "We have a history." We say "Alright, so what's their history? And how will their story play out?" Show says "Stay tuned." We stay tuned. He keeps appearing, we keep asking. Show doesn't answer, so we wait and see. Still no answers. Episode 33 happens. We are bummed, for Breakdown turned out to be nothing more than a tease.
And the same could be said about their deciding not to properly conclude Airachnid's story. Her story with Arcee was similarly mistreated.
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No character growth for her, no resolution for Arcee's thirst for vengeance, no proper send off to Airachnid whatsoever. Just a complete and utter surrender by the writers.
kaijuguy19 wrote:Anyway is there anything about Prime that you think did better then the rest of the other TF series aside from the animation and graphics?
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
kaijuguy19 wrote:Anyway is there anything about Prime that you think did better then the rest of the other TF series aside from the animation and graphics?
Henry921 wrote:You can always be counted on to listen to reason, Pryme.
Dead Metal wrote:Have you ever, and i mean ever seen/read/heard something that is completely original and does not copy/homage/pay tribute to something else? Here's a hint: Nope. You never have and you never will.
Sabrblade wrote:My list:Archanubis wrote:Sabrblade wrote:I still like Beast Wars, Animated, Masterforce, and Rescue Bots better than Prime, while Beast Machines and RiD are tied with Prime for me (and I love those two shows ).
This is how I personally rate each show:
1. Beast Wars
2. Prime & Animated
3. Rescue Bots
4. Cybertron
5. G1
6. RiD
7. Beast Machines
8. Armada
9. Energon
Just my personal opinion; everyone's free to their own.
1. Beast Wars
2. Animated
3. Masterforce & Rescue Bots
4. Beast Machines, Robots in Disguise, and Prime
5. Cybertron
6. The Headmasters
7. G1, Armada, and Victory
8. Go-Bots
9. Energon
(No inclusion of Beast Wars II or Neo since I haven't seen enough of either to make a fair judgement of either yet).
Manterax Prime wrote:Prime comes in 2nd place for me. I find a lot of things in the aligned universe interesting. Including some of the 13 Primes (Quintus being creator of the Quintessons, effectively making them cybertronian by proxy)
Manterax Prime wrote:However, the whole Optimus Prime is the 13th Prime thing is just one big cop out that screams laziness.
Wigglez wrote:Just remember. The sword is an extension of your arm. Use it as if you're going to karate chop someone with your really long sharp ass hand.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Sabrblade wrote:Oy, Optimus's revelation in the Covenant made many heads roll. So much so that TFWiki had literally no choice but to make separate lists for the Thirteen of the Multiverse and the Thirteen of the Aligned continuity, treating them as separate groups since the Aligned Thirteen went so far against what the mutliversal nature of the Thirteen had been established to be prior to the Aligned continuity's existence. Things like the inclusion of Alpha Trion and Optimus Prime into their ranks, and the exclusion of Logos Prime, just made the two groups completely irreconcilable.
Therefore, it is far less confusing to just think of there being two distinct groups out there. One for the multiverse who are singularities and contain Logos Prime among them, and one for the Aligned continuity who are not singularities, lack Logos Prime, having A3 and Optimus, and who have a non-evil The Fallen (whom the multiverse definitely established as being evil in that version).
As for Optimus's being one of them, he was originally, then he sacrificed his life to be reincarnated as a young ordinary bot with no memories of his past (Orion Pax), and only received all of his original life's memories when he got the Matrix of Leadership from Cybertron's Core. In other words, rather than granting Orion Pax the power and nature of being a Prime, the Matrix simply acted as a memory card and did to Orion Pax what the Silver Crystal did to Sailor Moon (a similar reincarnated character).
It is outside the main multiversal, yeah (as hinted by both TransTech Rhinox and the bio for TCC Slipstream)SlyTF1 wrote:I'm convinced this "Aligned" continuity is a multiverse all in its own.
I don't see how so. Everything outside the games and cartoons seem to put a lot of effort into putting the pieces together well enough.SlyTF1 wrote:WFC and FOC are supposed to take place in the same continuity as Prime, but a lot of it doesn't even add up.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Sabrblade wrote:Oy, Optimus's revelation in the Covenant made many heads roll. So much so that TFWiki had literally no choice but to make separate lists for the Thirteen of the Multiverse and the Thirteen of the Aligned continuity, treating them as separate groups since the Aligned Thirteen went so far against what the mutliversal nature of the Thirteen had been established to be prior to the Aligned continuity's existence. Things like the inclusion of Alpha Trion and Optimus Prime into their ranks, and the exclusion of Logos Prime, just made the two groups completely irreconcilable.
Therefore, it is far less confusing to just think of there being two distinct groups out there. One for the multiverse who are singularities and contain Logos Prime among them, and one for the Aligned continuity who are not singularities, lack Logos Prime, having A3 and Optimus, and who have a non-evil The Fallen (whom the multiverse definitely established as being evil in that version).
As for Optimus's being one of them, he was originally, then he sacrificed his life to be reincarnated as a young ordinary bot with no memories of his past (Orion Pax), and only received all of his original life's memories when he got the Matrix of Leadership from Cybertron's Core. In other words, rather than granting Orion Pax the power and nature of being a Prime, the Matrix simply acted as a memory card and did to Orion Pax what the Silver Crystal did to Sailor Moon (a similar reincarnated character).
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