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[RevTibe]

Unless Prime and, at random, Game of Thrones are equivalent in tone, I'd say that there are definitely shades of dark.

Prime wasn't dark at all it never was I consider Animated to be more serious then Prime ever was.


Prime was dull, boring, took itself too serious and killed characters for no reason more then besides they could when they ran out of things to do with them.


There are no shades of dark and Game of Thrones is bloody and violent not dark except for a few times.

Other users will probably be able to get more from your posts in this thread if you define your usage of "dark" - I think we may be on different wavelengths with that word.

[Ultra Markus]

its like the legion of doom for decepticons its so colorful reminds me of those superfriends cartoons

[Deadput]

Other users will probably be able to get more from your posts in this thread if you define your usage of "dark" - I think we may be on different wavelengths with that word.

I consider dark to be very deep and disturbing not just simply a serious tone or people dying all the time.


Cliffjumper's death was not dark neither was any of the throw away cons the Show killed off.

[RevTibe]

Other users will probably be able to get more from your posts in this thread if you define your usage of "dark" - I think we may be on different wavelengths with that word.

I consider dark to be very deep and disturbing not just simply a serious tone or people dying all the time.


Cliffjumper's death was not dark neither was any of the throw away cons the Show killed off.

Fair enough, but that definition's pretty useless in a setting entirely dedicated to chatting about a longform children's toy commercial

Language is flexible, and in this context, 'dark' is a fitting word for the grimmer tone of prime as compared to its descendant, and useful for speculating about a potential tonal shift.

On topic, while it seems like the show might be suggesting the new challenges Team Bee face are more serious, the handling of Megatronus's "Imma blow-up two planets" scheme suggests that the show won't let a logically more serious threat disrupt its lighthearted tone.

[Deadput]

Fair enough, but that definition's pretty useless in a setting entirely dedicated to chatting about a longform children's toy commercial

Language is flexible, and in this context, 'dark' is a fitting word for the grimmer tone of prime as compared to its descendant, and useful for speculating about a potential tonal shift.

On topic, while it seems like the show might be suggesting the new challenges Team Bee face are more serious, the handling of Megatronus's "Imma blow-up two planets" scheme suggests that the show won't let a logically more serious threat disrupt its lighthearted tone.

I'm just saying that the proper term for Prime is serious not dark that's all.

You can be serious without being dark.


Dark is what I would use to describe things like Hannibal.

[o.supreme]

I think we'll see prime characters, just later in the season, probably.

Just a random guess here, but I'm thinking "if" they introduce any of the TF: Prime characters, it will be in the movie to end the season/series after the initial 16 episodes have aired. Like Predacons Rising, we probably wont know any details about this movie, or when it will air/ have a home media release until the 2nd season is almost over. I'm thinking at Botcon, we will get some info.

I just hope CN doesn't abruptly stop airing the show midway through season 2 as they have been known to do with other action series.

[psj333]

Now that Quillfire is official joined Steeljaw`s group judging by the trailer, I highly do predict that someday, he just might be a successor to Starscream as Steeljaw is a successor to Megatron, since that he is an anarchist, which is much much worse than just being a terrorist. Because back on Cybertron, according to the police record or his biography, Quillfire not only turned his back on the government, but also his family, his school, his employers, his church, and even his own god (Primus himself)! This leads me to believe that Quillfire will continue to respect Steeljaw until he push him over the edge causing him to rebel against him. Following the rebellion, he will have Steeljaw killed right before his very eyes. And when he does, he will eventually take over his position as the new leader of the entire Decepticon army, pretty much like Starscream!

What are your thoughts on that?

[Madeus Prime]

What are your thoughts on that?

That it's not going to happen. Quillfire isn't anything like Starscream, he's just a nutso who believes in chaos. Furthermore you should look up the definition of an anarchist vs. a terrorist, there is quite a difference.

Psj, I've never met anyone online that's been so eager to read too much into information and leading off into wild theories, none of which have so far turned out to be remotely accurate.

[psj333]

You know, Madeus_Prime, if that's how you view about Quillfire, then that's fine in my opinion. It's your views and I respect that. And yes, you're right. I do know the difference between anarchist and terrorist. Even though that they are not related in any way, they are pretty identical, according to their views. Why? Because what they do involves rebellion. Terrorists overthrow the government of their own country. Anarchists, on the other hand, take everything to the next level. Not only anarchists want to overthrow their government, but also their families, their schools, their employers, their churches, and their god, or anybody that created them, trained them, taught them, and hired them in the first place. Do you understand where I'm coming from now?

[Sabrblade]

I consider dark to be very deep and disturbing not just simply a serious tone or people dying all the time.

See, that definition would more accurately be known not as "dark" but as "gravitas". Having weight and depth and substantial quality in storytelling and character portrayal/development, that's totally gravitas. Animnated was light-hearted, comedic, and all-around quirky, but with how much effort and substance there was put into it, there was an enormous amount of gravitas to it.

"Darkness", as most people know and use it, however, is a much more looser term that folks mainly attribute to how non-silly, how serious-minded, and unfortunately how grim/depressing/etc. in tone something is, regardless of whether it's of good quality or not. The last two live action movies, for instance, were certainly dark in tone, but which speaks nothing of their quality as well-made or ill-made stories, as gravitas would apply more in that matter.

[D-Maximal_Primal]

I look forward to the next chapter, darker, seriouser, etc as it may be. It is a kids show, and if the presentations at the toy fair are correct, then this show is currently the best in its market for young boys. And I love it for what it is. If it get a bit more serious, yes that's fine, especially since Optimus is back and the cons are very overmatched now with that, so we have to have more evil coming in. Plus, it looks like we will get some cool new minicon stuff and interactions, not to mention stealth paint!!!

[Blitzbugz117]

This is really great news, however seeing the real razorpaw in the trialer means the decepticon that windblade was shown fighting is not razorpaw. He got the name because of the mobile app, that had a charactor called razorpaw, that hadnt been seen yet. And the 2 look quite alike. This means that the fake razorpaw now goes nameless. The good news however, is that with the introduction of the real razorpaw, we may get to see the other 2 charactors from the app - prowl and ironhide!! In general i am really excited for this!

[Madeus Prime]

Even though that they are not related in any way, they are pretty identical, according to their views.

You just defined both pretty well, but the fact of the matter is that a terrorist overthrows their government or commits acts of terrorism in the name of something, whether it be their political standing, religion, or side in a war. An anarchist isn't doing what they do in the name of anything, it's simply the way they think the world works.

Anyways, all and all this next season looks a little better than the first one. Although it's a cheap shot weakening Optimus to further the storyline. The fact that it's going to be shown that the Autobots can repaint themselves is going to probably produce a slew of unwanted winter camo and desert camo themed repaints.

[o.supreme]

I look forward to the next chapter...it may be. It is a kids show, and if the presentations at the toy fair are correct, then this show is currently the best in its market for young boys.

By default I'd say RiD15 is closer to the ONLY show in its market for young boys. CN killed off all other action shows. And the few that do exist on other networks that I am aware of are not solely dependent on a toy line to maintain their existence (pretty much any action show on Disney transcends any toy brand connected to them (Star Wars, Marvel etc...)). Well... maybe Nickelodeons' TMNT show, but I've never seen it, so I really cant speak to how dependent on the toy line it is.

[D-Maximal_Primal]

This is really great news, however seeing the real razorpaw in the trialer means the decepticon that windblade was shown fighting is not razorpaw. He got the name because of the mobile app, that had a charactor called razorpaw, that hadnt been seen yet. And the 2 look quite alike. This means that the fake razorpaw now goes nameless. The good news however, is that with the introduction of the real razorpaw, we may get to see the other 2 charactors from the app - prowl and ironhide!! In general i am really excited for this!

Hey! welcome to the boards! Glad to see some more excitement for the show! And I agree about Ironhide and Prowl. Make a good cast better yet!

I look forward to the next chapter...it may be. It is a kids show, and if the presentations at the toy fair are correct, then this show is currently the best in its market for young boys.

By default I'd say RiD15 is closer to the ONLY show in its market for young boys. CN killed off all other action shows. And the few that do exist on other networks that I am aware of are not solely dependent on a toy line to maintain their existence (pretty much any action show on Disney transcends any toy brand connected to them (Star Wars, Marvel etc...)). Well... maybe Nickelodeons' TMNT show, but I've never seen it, so I really cant speak to how dependent on the toy line it is.

True, but I was going with it. And I enjoy the show a good bit so I am naturally biased towards excitement.

[Lunatic Prime]

This is really great news, however seeing the real razorpaw in the trialer means the decepticon that windblade was shown fighting is not razorpaw. He got the name because of the mobile app, that had a charactor called razorpaw, that hadnt been seen yet. And the 2 look quite alike. This means that the fake razorpaw now goes nameless. The good news however, is that with the introduction of the real razorpaw, we may get to see the other 2 charactors from the app - prowl and ironhide!! In general i am really excited for this!

There was a trio of skunk Decepticons in one episode and they looked the same, but I can't remember their names. However, maybe it's the same thing with him.

[o.supreme]

Oh I totally agree. I would never want to damper anyone's enthusiasm. New episodes are always a good thing

[psj333]

Will more or all Cons from Season 1 join Steeljaw's team to form an army in Season 2 for real?

[Lunatic Prime]

Will more or all Cons from Season 1 join Steeljaw's team to form an army in Season 2 for real?

I think ALL would be a bit too many.

Edit: Maybe in the finale.

[D-Maximal_Primal]

This is really great news, however seeing the real razorpaw in the trialer means the decepticon that windblade was shown fighting is not razorpaw. He got the name because of the mobile app, that had a charactor called razorpaw, that hadnt been seen yet. And the 2 look quite alike. This means that the fake razorpaw now goes nameless. The good news however, is that with the introduction of the real razorpaw, we may get to see the other 2 charactors from the app - prowl and ironhide!! In general i am really excited for this!

There was a trio of skunk Decepticons in one episode and they looked the same, but I can't remember their names. However, maybe it's the same thing with him.

They were called the Skunkticons, and Malador (the leader) was the only one named

[psj333]

I think ALL would be a bit too many.

Edit: Maybe in the finale.

I am not talking about all the Decepticons that have escape from the ship. I'm only referring to the Decepticons from Season 1. These include: Underbite, Fracture, Terrashock, Hammerstrike, Malador, Nightstrike, Vertebreak, Octopunch, Filch, Zizza, and Pseudo. Will these guys ever join Steeljaw's team to form a Decepticon army? Don't forget, in order for an army to be effective, every army must have a muscle, scientist, and a spy. These include Terrashock, Vertebreak, and Pseudo.

[Lunatic Prime]

I think ALL would be a bit too many.

Edit: Maybe in the finale.

I am not talking about all the Decepticons that have escape from the ship. I'm only referring to the Decepticons from Season 1. These include: Underbite, Fracture, Terrashock, Hammerstrike, Malador, Nightstrike, Vertebreak, Octopunch, Filch, Zizza, and Pseudo. Will these guys ever join Steeljaw's team to form a Decepticon army? Don't forget, in order for an army to be effective, every army must have a muscle, scientist, and a spy. These include Terrashock, Vertebreak, and Pseudo.

Me too. But I think there were more. What about Thunderhoof, Quillfire, the 3 Skunticons, Clampdown, Ped, Razorpaw and so on? And there are new ones coming like Scorponok, Groundpounder, Overload etc.
That would be too many if the Autobots are not becoming really overpowered.

[RevTibe]

I think ALL would be a bit too many.

Edit: Maybe in the finale.

I am not talking about all the Decepticons that have escape from the ship. I'm only referring to the Decepticons from Season 1. These include: Underbite, Fracture, Terrashock, Hammerstrike, Malador, Nightstrike, Vertebreak, Octopunch, Filch, Zizza, and Pseudo. Will these guys ever join Steeljaw's team to form a Decepticon army? Don't forget, in order for an army to be effective, every army must have a muscle, scientist, and a spy. These include Terrashock, Vertebreak, and Pseudo.

Personally, I'd prefer it if some of the captured 'cons stayed captured - would take away from S1 if literally every single one of them escaped. Just the core cast of villains and one or two stand-outs is enough.

[psj333]

Me too. But I think there were more. What about Thunderhoof, Quillfire, the 3 Skunticons, Clampdown, Ped, Razorpaw and so on? And there are new ones coming like Scorponok, Groundpounder, Overload etc.
That would be too many if the Autobots are not becoming really overpowered.

Thunderhoof, Quillfire, Springload, Scorponok, Groundpounder, and, Clampdown have already joined Steeljaw's team. As for Skunticons, Ped, and Razorpaw, they have still yet to join. Malador wlll likely join, but unlikely for his men. Still waiting for Filch, Nightstrike, Vertebreak, Octopunch, Zizza, and Pseudo. I'm sure that Hasbro will introduce a second Shifter, besides Pseudo in the second season, which might explain the reason for framing Strongarm in the first place. Since Pseudo hasn't been introduced in the first season, there is no way that he could have framed Strongarm in the first place. There has to be a second Shifter that does that. Remember, Strongarm's nightmare might be real, whereas the rest of the Autobots' nightmares were all fake. But I do hope that both Shifters do show up in the second season. Otherwise the return of Pseudo should be enough to satisfy the fans.

[RevTibe]

I'm sure that Hasbro will introduce a second Shifter, besides Pseudo in the second season, which might explain the reason for framing Strongarm in the first place. Since Pseudo hasn't been introduced in the first season, there is no way that he could have framed Strongarm in the first place. There has to be a second Shifter that does that. Remember, Strongarm's nightmare might be real, whereas the rest of the Autobots' nightmares were all fake. But I do hope that both Shifters do show up in the second season. Otherwise the return of Pseudo should be enough to satisfy the fans.

Wait, you mean Strongarm's nightmare when she and the others were restrained/poisoned by Nightstrike, the bat Decepticon? What reason do we have to believe her dream has any more significance to it than Grimlock's nightmare about being chased up a tree by a kitten?

So far, we've only seen Shifters thrown in so the writer can use a stock shapeshifter-attack plot, and I'm doubtful we'll get more than that.