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[Burn]

Until the cartoon gets a much broader release, please remember to use the spoiler tags if you're going to go into detail about an episode.

[william-james88]

Sabrblade, show me how those links work on dailymotion.com, so that me or anybody else in this community can watch current and future episodes once they`re aired in Australia.

just click on the hyperlinks he has provided.

[chuckdawg1999]

Folks I hate to say it but this is a sequel to Prime in so much that it takes place after that show and that's it. It's a kids cartoon, they really can't go back and reference a show that's no longer on the air, and aired on another network. Sure there might be a way to do it, but I doubt they will.

[Shadowman]

On the one hand, I really like that Grimlock is basically a toned-down version of Brick from Borderlands. (Especially with his love of punching things) On the other hand, I absolutely hate how he's basically a big middle finger towards canon. Season 1 of Prime at least had the excuse that there wasn't a whole lot of communication between High Moon and Hasbro Studios. (Which they started fixing with Season 2 and FOC tying in closer to each other) This show doesn't get that, since it's been long enough since WfC and FoC came out that they should know Grimlock's personality and background in Aligned. It's the same with Sideswipe, unless the phrase "Hey, remember that time you, me and Optimus broke into Kaon to rescue Zeta Prime?" is used eventually.

[Sabrblade]

On the one hand, I really like that Grimlock is basically a toned-down version of Brick from Borderlands. (Especially with his love of punching things) On the other hand, I absolutely hate how he's basically a big middle finger towards canon. Season 1 of Prime at least had the excuse that there wasn't a whole lot of communication between High Moon and Hasbro Studios. (Which they started fixing with Season 2 and FOC tying in closer to each other) This show doesn't get that, since it's been long enough since WfC and FoC came out that they should know Grimlock's personality and background in Aligned. It's the same with Sideswipe, unless the phrase "Hey, remember that time you, me and Optimus broke into Kaon to rescue Zeta Prime?" is used eventually.

While I do agree to an extent (especially with Mairghread Scott as one of the people at the helm of this show, who went to great efforts to work the FOC Dinobots into the Prime cartoon's world via the Rage of the Dinobots and Beast Hunters comics, on top of the Prime cartoon referring to the Dinobots on its own), I'm gonna sit back and wait and see if anything comes out of this.

Like, if they eventually reveal that this Grimlock and Sideswipe are different people from the previous ones, born from the Well after it was restored back in Predacons Rising.

Or if they are the same but had something happen to each of them to make them be like this. Like if Grimlock had been captured by the Cons and brainwashed so thoroughly that he old personality was completely overridden by his new one. Or if Sideswipe simply chose to "not grow up" (a la Peter Pan), explaining how he's still a teen-bot while Bee's gotten passed that point (when Bee was the younger of the two back in the Great War).

[Fires_Of_Inferno]

On the one hand, I really like that Grimlock is basically a toned-down version of Brick from Borderlands. (Especially with his love of punching things) On the other hand, I absolutely hate how he's basically a big middle finger towards canon. Season 1 of Prime at least had the excuse that there wasn't a whole lot of communication between High Moon and Hasbro Studios. (Which they started fixing with Season 2 and FOC tying in closer to each other) This show doesn't get that, since it's been long enough since WfC and FoC came out that they should know Grimlock's personality and background in Aligned. It's the same with Sideswipe, unless the phrase "Hey, remember that time you, me and Optimus broke into Kaon to rescue Zeta Prime?" is used eventually.

While I do agree to an extent (especially with Mairghread Scott as one of the people at the helm of this show, who went to great efforts to work the FOC Dinobots into the Prime cartoon's world via the Rage of the Dinobots and Beast Hunters comics, on top of the Prime cartoon referring to the Dinobots on its own), I'm gonna sit back and wait and see if anything comes out of this.

Like, if they eventually reveal that this Grimlock and Sideswipe are different people from the previous ones, born from the Well after it was restored back in Predacons Rising.

Or if they are the same but had something happen to each of them to make them be like this. Like if Grimlock had been captured by the Cons and brainwashed so thoroughly that he old personality was completely overridden by his new one. Or if Sideswipe simply chose to "not grow up" (a la Peter Pan), explaining how he's still a teen-bot while Bee's gotten passed that point (when Bee was the younger of the two back in the Great War).

I'm REALLY hoping for the different characters option. Of course, knowing how the shows are, they're probably never going to address it, and will use TF:Prime for all their references instead.

[Sabrblade]

Of course, knowing how the shows are, they're probably never going to address it,

I'm thinking that might happen as well, and if it does, we can only hope for more supplementary material to clue us in to the nature of each, or just have to accept that they left it to fan interpretation.

Though, if this happens, and we never get and answer, the Wiki's current position of keeping the fiction/toy info for these two on the pages of their WFC counterparts is gonna lead to more debates about whether they should stay on those pages or being given their own pages. *sigh*

I wish this continuity had its own John Barber (Ms. Scott was the closest thing it had to one, but now that she's helming this cartoon, it's anyone's guess as to whether or not she'll do anything to patch up the curiosities of 'Swipe and Grim).

[Foxbear]

If these three episodes are anything to go by I think I can say I am going to like this show, possibly even more than Prime.


Over all I was completely enthusiastic: good characters, good character development, a varied cast of "villains" and several more Autobots to look forward to.

But there was one note that struck oddly. Just three seconds in an otherwise Optimus hero-worshiping Transformers standard set up.

Between 18:07 and 18:10 two things happen.

1) Russel, who has already met and formed friendships with Autobots, who was about to charge a Chompaziod for his father, reacted to Optimus by stepping back in fear. By itself probably nothing.

...but...

2) Before throwing him off the cliff Optimus seems to exchange a nod and a wink with the Chopazoid. As if they were plotting something together.

This makes me very suspicious.

[Foxbear]

On the one hand, I really like that Grimlock is basically a toned-down version of Brick from Borderlands. (Especially with his love of punching things) On the other hand, I absolutely hate how he's basically a big middle finger towards canon. Season 1 of Prime at least had the excuse that there wasn't a whole lot of communication between High Moon and Hasbro Studios. (Which they started fixing with Season 2 and FOC tying in closer to each other) This show doesn't get that, since it's been long enough since WfC and FoC came out that they should know Grimlock's personality and background in Aligned. It's the same with Sideswipe, unless the phrase "Hey, remember that time you, me and Optimus broke into Kaon to rescue Zeta Prime?" is used eventually.

While I do agree to an extent (especially with Mairghread Scott as one of the people at the helm of this show, who went to great efforts to work the FOC Dinobots into the Prime cartoon's world via the Rage of the Dinobots and Beast Hunters comics, on top of the Prime cartoon referring to the Dinobots on its own), I'm gonna sit back and wait and see if anything comes out of this.

Like, if they eventually reveal that this Grimlock and Sideswipe are different people from the previous ones, born from the Well after it was restored back in Predacons Rising.

Or if they are the same but had something happen to each of them to make them be like this. Like if Grimlock had been captured by the Cons and brainwashed so thoroughly that he old personality was completely overridden by his new one. Or if Sideswipe simply chose to "not grow up" (a la Peter Pan), explaining how he's still a teen-bot while Bee's gotten passed that point (when Bee was the younger of the two back in the Great War).

The "completely new character fresh from the Well" theory works best for Sidwswipe IMHO. Especially given how Bumblebee treats him like an impulsive young kid to be mentored.

However for Grimlock the brainwashing makes more sense. Either he was the real Grimlock who got mind-wiped enough to become the current incarnation. Or he was a different dino-bot entirely and either Decepticon mind-messing or the crash messed up his head to the point where he just assumed the name out of confusion.

[Madeus Prime]

Watched two and three and...yes I'm using the spoiler Burn.


Episode Two:

Plot: Well, continuation of Episode 1, not bad, really wish Optimus would've explained more, but without mystery we wouldn't have a show.

Underbite: If this is what the other 'Cons will be like, I'm a happy camper.

Episode Three:

Plot: Well, much more interesting, two new 'Cons introduced, more character development. Thought the trust exercise was a cute joke.

Hammerstrike: Very pirate-y, surprised by the personality, loved the talk of land-dwellers stench.

Steeljaw: Oh, me likey. Whoever this guys voice actor is, I certainly am liking him. He's a perfect combination of calm and collected and then extremely temperamental.

[Va'al]

Steeljaw is his voiceship Troy Baker. *swoons*

[ebonyleopard]

Gotta say. I'm really digging Steeljaw. For one, his animation and expressions are great. He's got that, aw, he's so friendly looking, but will probably rip out your innards in a heartbeat thing going for him. If he really is to be the leader of this series cons, I'm liking the fact he's such a smooth character over your normal power hungry type.

I know Grimlock isn't the same as any FOC version of him, but damn he's adorable. It's like..G1 season 3 Grimlock, but a bit smarter and better dialogue.

The animation is also winning me over for everything BUT the humans. There's still just something weird about the kid and dad's eyes in this CGI style that throws me off.

[PrymeStriker]

Pilot Part 2 was a lot better paced than part 1, but HOLY SMOKES is it the definition of a deus ex machina resolve. It was like;

"Optimus, you're alive! Or are you?" "I dunno. **** it. See ya later."

Where the hell did they pull that one? It HAD to be somewhere worse than their ass. Christ. I'm sure they'll give some slapdash explanation later, but doing something like that so quickly was a poor choice.

Trust Exercises, on the other hand, was perfectly paced and well written. Definitely the best of the three that have aired. Steeljaw seems as interesting as I thought he'd be, and Hammerstrike wasn't particularly entertaining more than he was fun to laugh at. I like that the ridiculous designs are getting the proper reaction not just from fans, but the characters as well. I laughed out loud when Bumblebee just sorta went "yeah, okay, whatever..." under his breath once Hanmerstrike finished his little expositional opera. Definitely a great episode.

[Sabrblade]

The "completely new character fresh from the Well" theory works best for Sidwswipe IMHO. Especially given how Bumblebee treats him like an impulsive young kid to be mentored.

Thing is, though, when it comes to how old a character behaves in relation to when they were "born", it doesn't always matter.

For instance, back when the Beast Wars cartoon introduced Tigatron (this was years before the "Dawn of Future's Past" retcon occurred), he was seemingly "born" from his stasis pod as an old man, much older in behavior than Cheetor, Rattrap, and possibly even Optimus. Yet, all three of the latter had all been online before Tigatron, making them all chronologically older than him, even if they all act younger than him.

Similarly, in Animated, Prowl was alive during the Great War, while Optimus wasn't yet born then. However, Prowl acts like a teenager both in the past and in the present, while Optimus is like a young adult despite having been born much later than Prowl.

And to use an example from the Aligned fiction, the young bot Orion Pax (reincarnated from Optimus Prime of the Thirteen) was born during the Age of Evolution when the very first bipedal humanoid Cybertronians emerged from the Well of All Sparks. Yet, the nameless bot who would come to call himself first Megatronus and then Megatron didn't emerge from the Well until a very LONG time later during the Age of Wrath. And like Tigatron in Beast Wars, he was born older in behavior than the chronologically far older Orion Pax.

So with Sideswipe still being a teen bot here, it's entirely possible that he didn't mature at all from his days fighting in the Great War and planet-hopping aboard the Ark, while Bee somehow did. Or at least, Bee matured way faster/Sideswipe matured much slower, somehow.

[PrymeStriker]

I, for one, am changing my stance on the Decepticons. Not because the three we've been shown have exceeded my expectations, but it seems there might be a main cast of Decepticons after all. At least by the end of the first season, that is. I'm thinking that, as Steeljaw rallies his team, the bland and straightfoward characters are going to get captured and dealt with as mere plot devices rather than being of any individual use. And with this in mind, the characters that escape and join Steeljaw will continue through the series as the main group of antagonists we'll follow. Of course, I'm only basing this on the first three episodes. No idea if the other 10 that were leaked or whatever counter my theory.

[psj333]

On the TFWikipedia webssite, I've read the plot description, regarding on Episode #6, to which this is Thunderhoof's debut as an animated character. In the plot description, it has been confirmed that Thunderhoof's role is that of a crime boss, meaning that he might as well as a mob boss. It can also mean a leader of a terrorist organization. But is Thunderhoof more of a gangster or a terrorist? If he really is a gangster, will he have a Standard American accent for the American dub version, just like all of the characters are, or will he have a New York accent like of a Jewish American, since he's blue and that the Jews treat the color blue as their national symbol?

[Sabrblade]

On the TFWikipedia webssite, I've read the plot description, regarding on Episode #6, to which this is Thunderhoof's debut as an animated character. In the plot description, it has been confirmed that Thunderhoof's role is that of a crime boss, meaning that he might as well as a mob boss. It can also mean a leader of a terrorist organization. But is Thunderhoof more of a gangster or a terrorist? If he really is a gangster, will he have a Standard American accent for the American dub version, just like all of the characters are, or will he have a New York accent like of a Jewish American, since he's blue and that the Jews treat the color blue as their national symbol?

What makes you think anyone on here knows about something that hasn't aired in English yet? We can't give an answer because there is none to be given. We didn't make the show, so we know nothing of the character.

[PrymeStriker]

On the TFWikipedia webssite, I've read the plot description, regarding on Episode #6, to which this is Thunderhoof's debut as an animated character. In the plot description, it has been confirmed that Thunderhoof's role is that of a crime boss, meaning that he might as well as a mob boss. It can also mean a leader of a terrorist organization. But is Thunderhoof more of a gangster or a terrorist? If he really is a gangster, will he have a Standard American accent for the American dub version, just like all of the characters are, or will he have a New York accent like of a Jewish American, since he's blue and that the Jews treat the color blue as their national symbol?

Thunderhoof sounds like this;

[Madeus Prime]

On the TFWikipedia webssite, I've read the plot description, regarding on Episode #6, to which this is Thunderhoof's debut as an animated character. In the plot description, it has been confirmed that Thunderhoof's role is that of a crime boss, meaning that he might as well as a mob boss. It can also mean a leader of a terrorist organization. But is Thunderhoof more of a gangster or a terrorist? If he really is a gangster, will he have a Standard American accent for the American dub version, just like all of the characters are, or will he have a New York accent like of a Jewish American, since he's blue and that the Jews treat the color blue as their national symbol?

Look, we don't know. Yes, all the episodes have streamed in China, BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN WE KNOW. All we know is what we've seen! And the plot in the Chinese series is not always the same in the american one, so there is no telling if it'll reflect it or not. So, even if he's a crime boss type in China, he might not be here. According to the story we know, he impersonates a local legend to create a cult that obeys him.

[psj333]

Madeus Prime, I didn`t say that Thunderhoof is exactly a crime boss and neither is 1905.com The only site that reports all of this is TFWiki.net.

And also, is Thunderhoof a total recreation of G1 Thundercracker, since that they're all have blue and red paint, and they both have the word, Thunder right at the first of their names?

[william-james88]

Madeus Prime, I didn`t say that Thunderhoof is exactly a crime boss and neither is 1905.com The only site that reports all of this is TFWiki.net.

And also, is Thunderhoof a total recreation of G1 Thundercracker, since that they're all have blue and red paint, and they both have the word, Thunder right at the first of their names?

I dont know much about the show, but I can tell you that thunderhoof is a new character and not a seeker type character.

[Va'al]

Madeus Prime, I didn`t say that Thunderhoof is exactly a crime boss and neither is 1905.com The only site that reports all of this is TFWiki.net.

And also, is Thunderhoof a total recreation of G1 Thundercracker, since that they're all have blue and red paint, and they both have the word, Thunder right at the first of their names?

I dont know much about the show, but I can tell you that thunderhoof is a new character and not a seeker type character.

Don't you know Thundercracker is racist?

[Madeus Prime]

Madeus Prime, I didn`t say that Thunderhoof is exactly a crime boss and neither is 1905.com The only site that reports all of this is TFWiki.net.

And also, is Thunderhoof a total recreation of G1 Thundercracker, since that they're all have blue and red paint, and they both have the word, Thunder right at the first of their names?

Just because the wiki says something doesn't make it true.

And there is no connection between Thundercracker and Thunderhoof, completely separate characters.

[PrymeStriker]

Madeus Prime, I didn`t say that Thunderhoof is exactly a crime boss and neither is 1905.com The only site that reports all of this is TFWiki.net.

And also, is Thunderhoof a total recreation of G1 Thundercracker, since that they're all have blue and red paint, and they both have the word, Thunder right at the first of their names?

Just because the wiki says something doesn't make it true.

And there is no connection between Thundercracker and Thunderhoof, completely separate characters.

WTF is wrong with you people?! Thundercracker is Thunderhoof's second cousin's father's mother's sister's husband! We learned this on wikia 1 month ago!

[psj333]

Madeus Prime, you're right. Thunderhoof and Thundercracker might might be considered separate characters, but the colors and their names are inspired to the original G1 character. Did you know that the Decepticon frog, Springload, was originally Springer? In G1, Springer was an Autobot. In this show, Springload is a Decepticon. Their names are quite similar, and so is their color schemes. From what we know, Springer was green and yellow, and so is Springload. The only difference is that Springload has some blue color scheme added to his appearance. Springload's appearance might be inspired by the original G1 Springer, but their roles are not. Just because a character gets recreated, that doesn't mean that they are the same. For example, the Grimlock that you saw from the show is not the one that you just saw in his previous incarnations. Unlike his previous incarnation, Grimlock has a brand-new color scheme, voice, speech, and personality, that completely inspired by Animated and Prime Bulkhead. This lead us to believe that he might be a complete successor to the original Bulkhead character. And the Sideswipe from RID is not the one from G1. Both are similar in appearance, but with two major differences. Unlike G1 Sideswipe, the RID Sideswipe is a punk, who loves to engage in a fight, but is kind to those that he loved the most. This personality is completely derived from Rodimus, who was then known as Hot Rod. This is something that the G1 Sideswipe don't have.