I wonder if that thing is dead in the water or just severely delayed due to the covid scare. If it is gone for good, that prototype is probably worth a fortune. Like G1 Unicron money.Overcracker wrote:A new and improved Armada Prime with combining / self transforming trailer and at least some type of articulation in combined mode.
That teaser Takara showed and we never heard of again was a good start.
Rodimus Prime wrote:I wonder if that thing is dead in the water or just severely delayed due to the covid scare. If it is gone for good, that prototype is probably worth a fortune. Like G1 Unicron money.Overcracker wrote:A new and improved Armada Prime with combining / self transforming trailer and at least some type of articulation in combined mode.
That teaser Takara showed and we never heard of again was a good start.
Jelze Bunnycat wrote:Rodimus Prime wrote:I wonder if that thing is dead in the water or just severely delayed due to the covid scare. If it is gone for good, that prototype is probably worth a fortune. Like G1 Unicron money.Overcracker wrote:A new and improved Armada Prime with combining / self transforming trailer and at least some type of articulation in combined mode.
That teaser Takara showed and we never heard of again was a good start.
From the looks of it, it was a concept that didn't go anywhere. It looks fully engineered, but that shouldn't be taken as a confirmation of an eventual release. There are several figures in a similar point of production that were never picked up for release, like the Double Pretenders and the G.I. Joe Crossover figure.
This might not be a popular opinion, but I think they should have repainted Siege/ER Rung into Kaon. The bot modes and head designs are similar enough that it would have worked at that scale, they could have given him blast effects like the ones that came with the Netflix watermelon Rung to be his electric powers, and it means you could do a 3-pack with a Tarn retool of one of the Voyager Megatrons and Battlemasters Vos and Kaon with it being the same price as the Netflix Voyager sets and the Selects Spin-Out and Cordon. Would it have been the most accurate release? No, but it would get the characters out there and let them get a better gauge on interest in the team than just releasing a bunch of non-transforming Tarns and nothing else.ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:Kaon... His altmode is genuinely problematic, but with his treads Hasbro could easily turn him into some sort of ground crawler that so happens to be configurable into a chair as well.
1. Rhinox and Tigatron are already coming as Voyagers.Rogue-Primal wrote:Why did Hasbro choose Earthrise Arcee as a new Kingdom release when we could have gotten a updated Silverbolt (Fuzor) or Tigatron or Rhinox or even Quickstrike or Ravage (Tripredacus Agent). Personally size doesn't matter.
Nemesis Primal wrote:1. Rhinox and Tigatron are already coming as Voyagers.Rogue-Primal wrote:Why did Hasbro choose Earthrise Arcee as a new Kingdom release when we could have gotten a updated Silverbolt (Fuzor) or Tigatron or Rhinox or even Quickstrike or Ravage (Tripredacus Agent). Personally size doesn't matter.
2. We're getting a Deluxe Shadow Panther, who has a history of questionably being Ravage, does that count?
3. The other characters you mentioned aren't Season 1 characters, which seems to be as far as Hasbro is going with Kingdom, and even then we're still missing 3 Season 1 Predacons, so Tarantulas and them should probably be a higher priority than the Fuzors.
4. Sadly, it seems like if Arcee wasn't there we'd just get a repack of a different figure, not a new figure, repacks just have to be built into the waves evidently. Later Siege waves had repacks from it's earlier waves too, and Earthrise had repacks of Siege Battlemasters, Micromasters, and Astrotrain. The only reason ER didn't also have Deluxe repacks is because it only had 3 Deluxe waves to begin with.
Presumably they picked Arcee specifically to have her on shelves at the same time as the SS86 stuff and because she's in the Netflix show, forgetting that she's a trash figure and is therefore kind of a terrible choice for a repack.
See this line of thought I can theoretically agree with, the problem is:william-james88 wrote:I dont think she's a terrible choice given that she isnt being found on shelves at all at the moment
Considering ER Arcee is a terrible figure that emphasizes everything that makes G1 Arcee a bad TF design, I simply can't believe this to be true, even with Earthrise's crap distribution making ER Arcee semi-hard-to-find. Reissuing any other ER Deluxe from Wave 2 or 3 would have been a better decision.william-james88 wrote:and there is still demand for her. Many are more than willing to buy her at retail price and higher on ebay.
Nemesis Primal wrote:Considering ER Arcee is a terrible figure that emphasizes everything that makes G1 Arcee a bad TF design, I simply can't believe this to be true, even with Earthrise's crap distribution making ER Arcee semi-hard-to-find.william-james88 wrote:and there is still demand for her. Many are more than willing to buy her at retail price and higher on ebay.
william-james88 wrote:I am wondering though, does anyone still seen Arcee on shelves? I havent seen one since the new year began.
Okay, but if it's such an irrefutable true statement then where is the proof of it? I feel like you must just know something I don't at this point, because all of my interactions/observations with/of other people who buy TFs come from the Internet in some way, be that here, Youtubers, or me lurking on other sites, and I've not seen a single person actually say that ER Arcee is a figure they wanted and didn't get (which would therefore make them happy about a repack). The few people who ignored it being a bad figure already got it, and most of them then posted on the Haul thread or in other places arount the Internet about regretting it because the figure is bad and barely transforms. There was basically universal groans when the Arcee repack showed up for the first time in the Kingdom leaks. If anything, I've seen more proof that there isn't demand for that Arcee than I've seen proof that there is, which is why I can't see repacking that figure as anything other than a terrible decision made solely because it's the 86 Movie anniversary and she was in it.william-james88 wrote:I don't really see how it's about believing something or not. What I wrote can be verified by anyone. It's just fact.
Glad we can agree on that, at least.william-james88 wrote:And I agree, the toy sucks.
Elita and Thunderblast are more unique situations though, I feel like, since Thunderblast has no other figure period and has an unusual/rare alt mode for a TF (we need more boats/aquatic TFs, honestly), and Elita is a Walmart store exclusive (which immediately lends itself to scalpers with Walmart especially, given the Gigawatt debacle) who has only one other retail figure that a lot of people skipped for having the "wrong" alt mode and being a weird combiner mold. Arcee has had other figures before, even if most of them weren't specifically G1 Arcees, and most of them were and/or are considered to be better figures than the most recent attempt, plus said most recent attempt released alongside a Masterpiece and a Cyberverse Deluxe. It feels to me like demand for TFs seems to be directly based on a combination of the character's popularity, the character's prior availability, and the quality of the figure (and probably like 4 other factors I'm forgetting), barring factors that can't exactly be easily represented like people only buying characters from specific continuities/series/parts of the brand. There's way more quality options available for Arcee and the figure is bad, therefore the demand should be lower.william-james88 wrote:By the same token, Elita 1 also sucks but it's selling for even more. I don't think a toy sucking is really related to demand. It's wanting that character in one's collection. The ebay prices for Thunderblast for the past 10 years have taught us that.
Nemesis Primal wrote:Okay, but if it's such an irrefutable true statement then where is the proof of it? I feel like you must just know something I don't at this pointwilliam-james88 wrote:I don't really see how it's about believing something or not. What I wrote can be verified by anyone. It's just fact.
ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:ROTF Devastator says phooey to your notion that Tesarus is a problem. Helex's problem is his bulk and his altmode potentially looking dorky to non-fans. Kaon... His altmode is genuinely problematic, but with his treads Hasbro could easily turn him into some sort of ground crawler that so happens to be configurable into a chair as well.
alekese wrote:Hell, if hasbro had the guts to retail them at all, I'd look the other way on accurate altmodes, that's how big a stretch it is. The DJD are that kid unfriendly in their original form. That being said, Tarn could sneak by unmodified, being a cybertronian tank, and Vos is a targetmaster in all but name. It's tesarus, helex, and especially kaon that are the problem.
Emerje wrote:alekese wrote:Hell, if hasbro had the guts to retail them at all, I'd look the other way on accurate altmodes, that's how big a stretch it is. The DJD are that kid unfriendly in their original form. That being said, Tarn could sneak by unmodified, being a cybertronian tank, and Vos is a targetmaster in all but name. It's tesarus, helex, and especially kaon that are the problem.
I wouldn't count on Tarn slipping by. Hasbro had the absolute "perfect" opportunity to release him in Cyberverse as a "Perfect Decepticon" and surely knows of the fan demand for him and it still didn't make the cut for season 3 new character figures.
AllNewSuperRobot wrote:Or a one-off comic book team?
I'd still love to see some TransTech. Taking the non-humanoid design aesthetic of the Vehicons and applying it to everyone else. Authentic giant alien robots... Sigh
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