D-Maximus_Primal wrote:Burn wrote:The one gimmick I REALLY want to see done with modern designs is the Duocons.
Two vehicles with no individual robot modes until they combine. I know logistically it's a stupid idea (how do you form the robot mode if one vehicle is missing?) but with every other gimmick being updated, I'd like to see how they'd treat a modern version.
I agree. It would be cool to see Flywheels and Battletrap updated and done right.
And yeah, having more than 1 mode is what I consider a gimmick. Adds a whole new dimension to the character
kurthy wrote:D-Maximus_Primal wrote:Burn wrote:The one gimmick I REALLY want to see done with modern designs is the Duocons.
Two vehicles with no individual robot modes until they combine. I know logistically it's a stupid idea (how do you form the robot mode if one vehicle is missing?) but with every other gimmick being updated, I'd like to see how they'd treat a modern version.
I agree. It would be cool to see Flywheels and Battletrap updated and done right.
And yeah, having more than 1 mode is what I consider a gimmick. Adds a whole new dimension to the character
That new dimension is suck. They kind of revisited it in Energon.
I gave Flywheels to my 8 year old as a stocking stuffer last Christmas. He was interested when I showed the combined mode, but after that he want to change the individual vehicles into robot modes. He lost interest after that with CW fresh in his mind.
skywarp408 wrote:Interesting they never made Duobots
I was kinda thinking, also a stretch, but Animated Jetfire.Burn wrote:skywarp408 wrote:Interesting they never made Duobots
Technically, in a way, and it's a bit of a stretch, Omega Supreme could be considered a "Duobot"
Burn wrote:Agamemnon wrote:Let's get back to talking about Burn's mammoth snout flopping...
Well I am Australian. It's kinda what we're known for.
william-james88 wrote:@ Burn: Would you count Energon Tidal Wave as an update to the duocon concept, with him being 3 different vehicle instead of 2 (triocon?) Or would he be a triple changer instead since he has 3 forms: the 3 vehicles, the combination of them into a battleship, and the robot mode.
Burn wrote:skywarp408 wrote:Interesting they never made Duobots
Technically, in a way, and it's a bit of a stretch, Omega Supreme could be considered a "Duobot"
Cobotron wrote:I was kinda thinking, also a stretch, but Animated Jetfire.
william-james88 wrote:@ Burn: Would you count Energon Tidal Wave as an update to the duocon concept, with him being 3 different vehicle instead of 2 (triocon?) Or would he be a triple changer instead since he has 3 forms: the 3 vehicles, the combination of them into a battleship, and the robot mode.
Emerje wrote:Burn wrote:skywarp408 wrote:Interesting they never made Duobots
Technically, in a way, and it's a bit of a stretch, Omega Supreme could be considered a "Duobot"
Technically he'd be a "Triobot": Tank, rocket, and rocket base.
Emerje wrote:You were right the first time, more or less. Bot modes count as a form on a Triple Changer just like they do on a Six Changer, while Duocons refer to the number parts that form the bot. If you count each mode Tidal Wave really has five forms, and traditionally the multi-changers can only do one form at a time. So I guess he'd be a "Triocon" with two combined forms.
Emerje
Burn wrote:Emerje wrote:Burn wrote:skywarp408 wrote:Interesting they never made Duobots
Technically, in a way, and it's a bit of a stretch, Omega Supreme could be considered a "Duobot"
Technically he'd be a "Triobot": Tank, rocket, and rocket base.
Could you count the base though? It's needed for both the tank and the rocket.
Alternatively we could just exclude him as he wasn't Hasbro/Takara designed.
william-james88 wrote:Burn wrote:Emerje wrote:Burn wrote:skywarp408 wrote:Interesting they never made Duobots
Technically, in a way, and it's a bit of a stretch, Omega Supreme could be considered a "Duobot"
Technically he'd be a "Triobot": Tank, rocket, and rocket base.
Could you count the base though? It's needed for both the tank and the rocket.
Alternatively we could just exclude him as he wasn't Hasbro/Takara designed.
Or you could pretend you were talking about the Energon Omega Supreme all along, who is a duocon.
Burn wrote:Emerje wrote:Burn wrote:skywarp408 wrote:Interesting they never made Duobots
Technically, in a way, and it's a bit of a stretch, Omega Supreme could be considered a "Duobot"
Technically he'd be a "Triobot": Tank, rocket, and rocket base.
Could you count the base though? It's needed for both the tank and the rocket.
william-james88 wrote:Emerje wrote:You were right the first time, more or less. Bot modes count as a form on a Triple Changer just like they do on a Six Changer, while Duocons refer to the number parts that form the bot. If you count each mode Tidal Wave really has five forms, and traditionally the multi-changers can only do one form at a time. So I guess he'd be a "Triocon" with two combined forms.
Emerje
You speak of mode and forms, are they one and the same?
Why cant we count it as 3 different modes?
Individual vehiciles
Combined vehicles
Robot mode
And its always only one of those at a time.
Why cant he simply be a combination of different gimicks?
william-james88 wrote:So I was wondering, must a triple changer be labeled so for it to count as a triple changer or is it any robot with 3 modes?
Burn wrote:william-james88 wrote:So I was wondering, must a triple changer be labeled so for it to count as a triple changer or is it any robot with 3 modes?
You must like worms.
To me, "Triple changers" are the original 3 Decepticons and 3 Autobots. This is my personal opinion, it's not a fact, I consider only these six as triple changers because they were an "evolution" of Cybertronians. As the G1 years progressed, and as the war progressed, new technology evolved, hence the different gimmicks. So that's why I only consider the original six as they are labelled as such.
Everything that came afterwards is just a gimmick, or for fiction purposes, an ability. They've never really been labelled as triple changers.
william-james88 wrote:They are labeled as such in titans return though.
william-james88 wrote:Hey guys, as I said, many of these general gimicks will get their own lists. Some are easier than others but I was a bit stumped wth the triple changers. The original G1s are solid and so is the latest with Gen Springer. But theres not much out there. So I was wondering, must a triple changer be labeled so for it to count as a triple changer or is it any robot with 3 modes?
william-james88 wrote:Hey guys, as I said, many of these general gimicks will get their own lists. Some are easier than others but I was a bit stumped wth the triple changers. The original G1s are solid and so is the latest with Gen Springer. But theres not much out there. So I was wondering, must a triple changer be labeled so for it to count as a triple changer or is it any robot with 3 modes?
william-james88 wrote:Hey guys, as I said, many of these general gimicks will get their own lists. Some are easier than others but I was a bit stumped wth the triple changers. The original G1s are solid and so is the latest with Gen Springer. But theres not much out there. So I was wondering, must a triple changer be labeled so for it to count as a triple changer or is it any robot with 3 modes?
Fires_Of_Inferno wrote:Tricky question. Does turning into armor count? If so then does that make Gaia Unicron a triple changer? Is G1 Galvatron a triple changer? G1 Perceptor? RoTF Mixmaster? Does having a flight mode count as a third mode? If so then is Tracks a triple changer? When does it start to count as a triple changer?
Overcracker wrote:Personally for a triple change to be a triple changer whether officially labeled as such or not, several criteria must be met:
1. All 3 modes need to be substantially different from each other. popping out some guns, or wings but leaving the mode un modified otherwise does not a third mode make. Tank to Jet to Robot triple changer. Car to flying Car to robot, not a triple changer (Sorry Tracks.)
2. All 3 modes need to function on their own. They can't require a secondary figure to function. Becoming an arm, or pants for someone else does not count. For instance Armada Jetfire would be disqualified. CW combiner parts also disqualified.
3. The 3rd mode needs to be officially acknowledged in the instructions or other literature. i.e Cybertron Metroplex's spaceship mode is disqualified.
Some examples:
Energon Scorponok and its repaints/retools.
G1 Doubledealer
G1 ApeFace
In Movie Only: Age of Extinction Drift. (no toy to represent this)
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