Oh you think you're the only one in here with LBGTQ ties... How the hell does me recommending they just use the "T" instead of the "LGB" to properly advance G1 lore make me homophobic???? Just shut up!Tigerhawk7109 wrote:YoungPrime wrote:I've always considered Cybertronian relationships as simply being different levels of friends and them ranging no deeper than a brotherhood or sisterhood. And that's how it will stay... It's not like they ever showed Optimus and Elita share a bedroom so why is shoving same sex couples down our throats so important?
It feels like Hollywood and Hasbro is at gunpoint while adhering to Pride month.
Besides having "TRANS" in the name itself should be enough to pacify LGBTQ from a scientifical level. And that's if they really even cared about Gay Robots in the first place.
In all honesty, dude, this feels like an extremely homophobic comment. The whole point of these couples is that they're not shoved down our throats: they're extremely well-developed and realistic. As someone with many friends in the LGBTQ+ community, I can't help but take offense to this. Take a minute, reconsider this sh*tty statement, and then come back.
william-james88 wrote:YoungPrime wrote:It feels like Hollywood and Hasbro is at gunpoint while adhering to Pride month.
How is Hasbro adhering to Pride Month when these stories are from several years ago? The characters were in their relationships every month, not just in June.
YoungPrime wrote:I've always considered Cybertronian relationships as simply being different levels of friends and them ranging no deeper than a brotherhood or sisterhood. And that's how it will stay... It's not like they ever showed Optimus and Elita share a bedroom so why is shoving same sex couples down our throats so important?
It feels like Hollywood and Hasbro is at gunpoint while adhering to Pride month.
Besides having "TRANS" in the name itself should be enough to pacify LGBTQ from a scientifical level. And that's if they really even cared about Gay Robots in the first place.
jtanimator wrote:Not in the mood to get all pumped in frustration about this topic right now, so suffice it to say I agree with all [of Nemesis Prime's criticism]. I'm glad some people in this forum are willing to be honest with this stuff because it's pretty frustrating to deal with.
ZeroWolf wrote:Great list TigerHawk7109!
To whoever said about Primus being a deity instead of a giant robot and that being bad, Primus has only ever existed as a deity as far as Lore is concerned (G1 IDW being the outlier here). While Cybertron would have transformed in one draft of the movie, that version was never made leaving the Marvel G1 comics to introduce him as...a god, retconing the entirely disappointment that was Unicron's origins in Season 3. Years later, Primus as the Transformers god would be picked up again and animated in Transformers Cybertron (think he may have been mentioned in Energon though...)
Anyway, I think its great that characters like this exist.
primalxconvoy wrote:Just to clarify, Gobots aren't actually robots, but rather cybernetic organisms. They originally started out as humanoid aliens, and, over time became what we see today. They still have organic brains, if I recall.
Nemesis Reformatted wrote:Nope! I'm not going there. I have a huge problem with everybody trying to humanize the Cybertronians.
Starting with the G1 cartoon, I absolutely hate how they changed the cool robot faces of the toy line to human faces in the cartoon.
Then they tried to copy Star Wars by making some kind of weird, awkward love triangle between Arcee, Springer & Hot Rod. Just like Leia, Luke & Han.
Then they tried to change Unicron & Primus into God & Satan instead of simply being huge robots.
And I definitely reject the whole idea of dating, relationships, sex & marriage among these *ROBOTS*. Am I the only one who remembers that these characters are *NOT HUMAN* & *NOT FROM EARTH*?
The whole appeal of Transformers & Gobots is the fact that they are *NOT HUMAN*. If I wanted humans I would collect Star Wars or GI Joe. I'm a fan of Transformers because they are *NOT HUMAN*. Robots are cool, humans are lame.
I don't see the logic behind trying to make them perfectly copy everything about our human society on Earth. They are aliens from another planet. Machines not humans.
This whole thing is F**** STUPID! Nevermind same-sex couples, the whole idea of Transformers couples is F**** STUPID! The only reason humans have couples is for sex & having children. That doesn't apply to robots. Stop trying to make Cybertron society perfectly copy Earth society. It's totally F**** STUPID!
primalxconvoy wrote:I never saw that episode, and I'm glad that I didn't.
Anyway, has the issue of identity been approached (in the comics) via alt-modes? Just as people identify with certain ethnicities, genders, etc, there might be some TFs who identify with, and stay mainly in, their "alt" mode. The nearest I've seen to that was in Beast Wars/Machines, but that was mainly out of necessity, though.
primalxconvoy wrote:I never saw that episode, and I'm glad that I didn't.
Anyway, has the issue of identity been approached (in the comics) via alt-modes? Just as people identify with certain ethnicities, genders, etc, there might be some TFs who identify with, and stay mainly in, their "alt" mode. The nearest I've seen to that was in Beast Wars/Machines, but that was mainly out of necessity, though.
IHaveQuestions wrote:primalxconvoy wrote:I never saw that episode, and I'm glad that I didn't.
Anyway, has the issue of identity been approached (in the comics) via alt-modes? Just as people identify with certain ethnicities, genders, etc, there might be some TFs who identify with, and stay mainly in, their "alt" mode. The nearest I've seen to that was in Beast Wars/Machines, but that was mainly out of necessity, though.
I don't think so, but we got something sorta close in Shadowplay? With the whole "pay to try somebody else's alt-mode" thing. Y'know, temporarily discarding an identity forced on you by an oppressive system to feel like the kind of person you want to be? At great personal risk and expense, no less. That may parallel experiences of older queer folk who lived through the time when queerness was far less accepted.
IHaveQuestions wrote:YoungPrime wrote:I've always considered Cybertronian relationships as simply being different levels of friends and them ranging no deeper than a brotherhood or sisterhood. And that's how it will stay... It's not like they ever showed Optimus and Elita share a bedroom so why is shoving same sex couples down our throats so important?
It feels like Hollywood and Hasbro is at gunpoint while adhering to Pride month.
Besides having "TRANS" in the name itself should be enough to pacify LGBTQ from a scientifical level. And that's if they really even cared about Gay Robots in the first place.
My dude, there are tons of trans transfans. Take a look over at twitter. You make a product with wide appeal and a wide array of people will generally enjoy it. And as Chris McFeely put it in last year's "The Basics" video on romance, if these thinking feeling robots can feel enough hate for each other to wage war for millions of years, there's no reason they can't also feel love and affection as well.
YoungPrime wrote:IHaveQuestions wrote:YoungPrime wrote:I've always considered Cybertronian relationships as simply being different levels of friends and them ranging no deeper than a brotherhood or sisterhood. And that's how it will stay... It's not like they ever showed Optimus and Elita share a bedroom so why is shoving same sex couples down our throats so important?
It feels like Hollywood and Hasbro is at gunpoint while adhering to Pride month.
Besides having "TRANS" in the name itself should be enough to pacify LGBTQ from a scientifical level. And that's if they really even cared about Gay Robots in the first place.
My dude, there are tons of trans transfans. Take a look over at twitter. You make a product with wide appeal and a wide array of people will generally enjoy it. And as Chris McFeely put it in last year's "The Basics" video on romance, if these thinking feeling robots can feel enough hate for each other to wage war for millions of years, there's no reason they can't also feel love and affection as well.
Brotherhood and Sisterhood is a form of love.
This isn't the show POSE, but some of you are acting like those couples are the topic.
Meh, either way IDW's numbers haven't recovered since. So I guess all former IDW supporters are homophobic. The end.
william-james88 wrote:IHaveQuestions wrote:primalxconvoy wrote:I never saw that episode, and I'm glad that I didn't.
Anyway, has the issue of identity been approached (in the comics) via alt-modes? Just as people identify with certain ethnicities, genders, etc, there might be some TFs who identify with, and stay mainly in, their "alt" mode. The nearest I've seen to that was in Beast Wars/Machines, but that was mainly out of necessity, though.
I don't think so, but we got something sorta close in Shadowplay? With the whole "pay to try somebody else's alt-mode" thing. Y'know, temporarily discarding an identity forced on you by an oppressive system to feel like the kind of person you want to be? At great personal risk and expense, no less. That may parallel experiences of older queer folk who lived through the time when queerness was far less accepted.
The idea of identity through alt modes has been approached a TON, that was the whole point of the functionalist universe.
And we saw it in G1 too, that was the basis for what made you an autobot vs a decepticon.
IHaveQuestions wrote:
Also can we talk about Raoul and Tracks again?
william-james88 wrote:IHaveQuestions wrote:primalxconvoy wrote:I never saw that episode, and I'm glad that I didn't.
Anyway, has the issue of identity been approached (in the comics) via alt-modes? Just as people identify with certain ethnicities, genders, etc, there might be some TFs who identify with, and stay mainly in, their "alt" mode. The nearest I've seen to that was in Beast Wars/Machines, but that was mainly out of necessity, though.
I don't think so, but we got something sorta close in Shadowplay? With the whole "pay to try somebody else's alt-mode" thing. Y'know, temporarily discarding an identity forced on you by an oppressive system to feel like the kind of person you want to be? At great personal risk and expense, no less. That may parallel experiences of older queer folk who lived through the time when queerness was far less accepted.
The idea of identity through alt modes has been approached a TON, that was the whole point of the functionalist universe.
And we saw it in G1 too, that was the basis for what made you an autobot vs a decepticon.
Tigerhawk7109 wrote:YoungPrime wrote:IHaveQuestions wrote:YoungPrime wrote:I've always considered Cybertronian relationships as simply being different levels of friends and them ranging no deeper than a brotherhood or sisterhood. And that's how it will stay... It's not like they ever showed Optimus and Elita share a bedroom so why is shoving same sex couples down our throats so important?
It feels like Hollywood and Hasbro is at gunpoint while adhering to Pride month.
Besides having "TRANS" in the name itself should be enough to pacify LGBTQ from a scientifical level. And that's if they really even cared about Gay Robots in the first place.
My dude, there are tons of trans transfans. Take a look over at twitter. You make a product with wide appeal and a wide array of people will generally enjoy it. And as Chris McFeely put it in last year's "The Basics" video on romance, if these thinking feeling robots can feel enough hate for each other to wage war for millions of years, there's no reason they can't also feel love and affection as well.
Brotherhood and Sisterhood is a form of love.
This isn't the show POSE, but some of you are acting like those couples are the topic.
Meh, either way IDW's numbers haven't recovered since. So I guess all former IDW supporters are homophobic. The end.
You know what? I’m done dealing with your bullshit. Get off this thread.
(Apologies for swearing, but I needed it.)
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