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Wow. You are making a strong case!

Really?

The top of "Hasbro Figures better than Takara" was interesting.

But this top is unnecessary.

Almost everyone knows that the colors of Takara are better than Hasbro (Well ... the great (but great) majority), the only bad thing is the price to bring them, but........ weeeeeell... ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Yeah, the challenge here was choosing the BEST five out of the myriad which are better! I'd have a tough time choosing my own five top favorites.

RacerCheetor wrote:Really?

The top of "Hasbro Figures better than Takara" was interesting.

But this top is unnecessary.

Almost everyone knows that the colors of Takara are better than Hasbro

Yeah... no.

Takara makes plenty of mistakes. Like say, ANY time they use the color purple. And there are a large group of people who detest the use of chrome, which was essentially the entire Henkei line.

The job of this (these) article(s) is to generate discussion. And it is hard work. It's done it's job, and to say it is "unnecessary" is a tad disrespectful.

Nicely put. And yeah, bottom line... which line is better is HIGHLY subjective (in spite of the generally more gratuitous paint apps in Takara.) For instance, the bulk of their recent toys have been cartoon accurate — and depending on whether you more fondly remember the toys or the show can easily sway your impressions.

On that note — and while my wallet IS rejoicing – not having the two paint options is kinda bumming me out. I'd have really liked that Unite Warrior box set of Abominus in cartoon colors.

Yeah, Takara Tomy is very good at what they do, but "better" really came down to preference during CW/UW and Legends/Titans Return and whether you preferred G1 toy or cartoon accuracy in your modern figures. Prior to these and early in Legends it seemed like Takara Tomy was making more unusual choices like randomly placed chrome or bizarre colors choices (like metallic Rhinox and Waspinator). During this time I think they were at their best when they were improving on Hasbro's work (like the entire Fall of Cybertron line) rather than going their own way.

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shajaki wrote:

RacerCheetor wrote:Really?

The top of "Hasbro Figures better than Takara" was interesting.

But this top is unnecessary.

Almost everyone knows that the colors of Takara are better than Hasbro

Yeah... no.

Takara makes plenty of mistakes. Like say, ANY time they use the color purple. And there are a large group of people who detest the use of chrome, which was essentially the entire Henkei line.

Arms Micron.

Oh snap, Jelze. You went there!!

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:

shajaki wrote:

RacerCheetor wrote:Really?

The top of "Hasbro Figures better than Takara" was interesting.

But this top is unnecessary.

Almost everyone knows that the colors of Takara are better than Hasbro

Yeah... no.

Takara makes plenty of mistakes. Like say, ANY time they use the color purple. And there are a large group of people who detest the use of chrome, which was essentially the entire Henkei line.

Arms Micron.

That right there is THE BEST ARGUMENT whenever someone comes out of the woodwork claiming that Takara is always about collectors. Its a toy company, for ****'s sake, toys arent for kids?!

I do have arms micron in my collection, but its not because the deco is better (it never was), its simply because that line had a ton of exclusive characters like Thundercracker, Skywarp, Ironhide, Breakdown, Flyng Vehicon, nemesis prime(s) ect.

We're in the same boat, William-James88. I double dipped to get all those exclusive characters... and was really bummed about the stickers.

I guess difference between G1 is that for the most part, the G1 stickers added a little extra detail, like machinery deco on Dinos. But for these, the figure looked incomplete — like the solid white Wheeljack. It was like they skipped paint apps for stickers, and I don't think that's an acceptable option.

I don't think what we have seen for Starscream, Elita One is an acceptable option either. Having seen how crooked and poor quality they are these days, I'd just rather them skip stickers altogether.

gothsaurus wrote:I guess difference between G1 is that for the most part, the G1 stickers added a little extra detail, like machinery deco on Dinos. But for these, the figure looked incomplete — like the solid white Wheeljack. It was like they skipped paint apps for stickers, and I don't think that's an acceptable option.

Yeah, its not. Plus, G1 ws maybe before they perfected Tampo technology, I so get that. The stickers are a product of their time, like the articulation and simpler transformations. But we are beyond that now.

Ayways, the other major problem with the arms micron line was that to support the added play with the accompanying buildable micron partner, they added holes to all their toys. So not only would the deco be worse but you woudl have all the holes. I go more into depth here in the previous list where I show which times Takara clearly was not the better option https://www.seibertron.com/transformers ... ras/40955/

Yeah, whoever thought it was a good idea to add those peg holes all over the toys should be reprimanded severely.

Good point about tampos. Quality on those looks just about spot on to the old stickers. The Decepticon Targetmaster trio look amazing with their tampos, for example.

Nice list. Personally I've never been one to quibble over colour palettes etc to me, it's much of a muchness. But the discussions so far have been interesting to read.

That said, Cybershark. It can certainly be said that Base form Cybershark is a Shellformer, the fact that his chest is the only part of his bot mode used in his Beast Form speaks for itself.

Transmetal/2 Cybershark however, I would say doesn't conform to the same description. The two halves of his tail become [Huge] shoulder pads and his Blue fins slot back quite neatly away in Bot Mode. Bear in mind also that his head, arms and legs all contribute significantly to his Beast Mode in this mold. Not a Shellformer at all, in my view.

Having the original myself, I actually find the Sky-Byte figure and his colour palette really gaudy and tacky in comparison. Regardless of which version.