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Seibertron wrote:Hotlinking an image is not poor etiquette.
Seibertron wrote:That's what the images are there for ... and I've never given tfwiki a hard time for using a large number of images from this site before either.
Jeysie wrote:Seibertron wrote:Hotlinking an image is not poor etiquette.
Actually, hotlinking is, honestly, very poor etiquette, unless you know for 100% certain beforehand the person is all right with it. Not all pay servers allow lots of bandwidth, so anytime you hotlink you're risking that webmaster possibly having to pay out lots of money. Sure, they can contact you and have you take it down, but they're still out all that bandwidth before that happens. (There's a host of other reasons on top of that why it's bad as well.)
Do a search on the matter, and you'll see that pretty much everyone agrees that hotlinking is a big no-no.
I do think it would have been better if we had handled it politely (and I tried to), but your default assumption should always, always be to not hotlink, not the other way around.Seibertron wrote:That's what the images are there for ... and I've never given tfwiki a hard time for using a large number of images from this site before either.
Difference being, when we use images from your site, we always host them ourselves by uploading them to our own server.
As for why I contacted MKall, it's because it was he who posted the news article, so I thought it made sense to contact him to edit the single article rather than bothering an admin about what seemed like a relatively trivial matter that could be handled by a moderator.
Seibertron wrote:Jeysie wrote:Seibertron wrote:Hotlinking an image is not poor etiquette.
Actually, hotlinking is, honestly, very poor etiquette, unless you know for 100% certain beforehand the person is all right with it. Not all pay servers allow lots of bandwidth, so anytime you hotlink you're risking that webmaster possibly having to pay out lots of money. Sure, they can contact you and have you take it down, but they're still out all that bandwidth before that happens. (There's a host of other reasons on top of that why it's bad as well.)
Do a search on the matter, and you'll see that pretty much everyone agrees that hotlinking is a big no-no.
I do think it would have been better if we had handled it politely (and I tried to), but your default assumption should always, always be to not hotlink, not the other way around.Seibertron wrote:That's what the images are there for ... and I've never given tfwiki a hard time for using a large number of images from this site before either.
Difference being, when we use images from your site, we always host them ourselves by uploading them to our own server.
As for why I contacted MKall, it's because it was he who posted the news article, so I thought it made sense to contact him to edit the single article rather than bothering an admin about what seemed like a relatively trivial matter that could be handled by a moderator.
I can't believe that someone would sour a positive situation for the whole community that could have easily been handled by Walky contacting us to remove the images instead of posting an inappropriate image like that. One of the staff members on this site innocently hotlinking a few images does not deserve someone inappropriately defacing Seibertron.com without first contacting us and asking us to help them out. That is not fair to us and is immature behavior at best for which we deserve an apology.
Seibertron wrote:One of the staff members on this site innocently hotlinking a few images does not deserve someone inappropriately defacing Seibertron.com without first contacting us and asking us to help them out. That is not fair to us and is immature behavior at best for which we deserve an apology.
Seibertron wrote:In addition, I'm not going to let the staff of Seibertron.com be the beat up bag for the TFWiki guys over hotlinking an image. Hotlinking hasn't been an issue for years,
Seibertron wrote:plus it's EXTREMELY simple to prevent hotlinking of images. If TFWiki really wants to prevent hotlinking, they could easily prevent images from displaying with a simple modification to their server's htaccess file.
Jeysie wrote:Actually, it is still very much an issue for lots of servers. I may not agree with how Walky reacted, but hotlinking without getting the site's permission first just is still not OK, either. Nobody's entirely in the right with this whole issue. Just ask permission first before hotlinking to a site, and you'll never have to deal with this sort of issue again.
Jeysie wrote:Seibertron wrote:plus it's EXTREMELY simple to prevent hotlinking of images. If TFWiki really wants to prevent hotlinking, they could easily prevent images from displaying with a simple modification to their server's htaccess file.
I agree there, but unfortunately getting tech changes implemented tends to be slow going for our staff.
But in any case, since I'm not an admin, just a simple interested editor who wanted to try to get this solved amicably (and obviously failed miserably), I'm bowing out and just suggesting you comment to Walky or the other wiki admins instead (and I hope you have better luck dealing with Walky than I usually do...)
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Seibertron wrote:Walky contacted me and apologized. I stressed that posting an image with the "f" word in it is really inappropriate and unfair to the younger viewers of this site.
Seibertron wrote:Hotlinking is not an issue. If tfwiki.net wants to prevent hotlinking, they should do one of the two things above to prevent this in the future.
Jeysie wrote:Seibertron wrote:Walky contacted me and apologized. I stressed that posting an image with the "f" word in it is really inappropriate and unfair to the younger viewers of this site.
That's good to hear. I get really tired of the infighting that goes on in the TF fandom sometimes.Seibertron wrote:Hotlinking is not an issue. If tfwiki.net wants to prevent hotlinking, they should do one of the two things above to prevent this in the future.
Ordinarily I'd agree that preventing hotlinking is pretty simple (as I have it set up on my own website, so I already know the coding). But the problem, from what I hear, is that since we're using a Squid cache set up to help with our load balancing, it's not necessarily as easy as just throwing up a htaccess file.
Seibertron wrote:Load balancing for a site the size of tfwiki.net is most likely overkill since the site is just primarily text.
Seibertron wrote:The Squid Cache also wouldn't have anything to do with whether or not they can use an .htaccess file, which would just go in the root of their website.
Seibertron wrote:I'd like to officially nominate ROTF Lockdown as a future BotCon or Club exclusive DEATH'S HEAD!!!
Jeysie wrote:Seibertron wrote:Load balancing for a site the size of tfwiki.net is most likely overkill since the site is just primarily text.
Well, we also have a lot of images as well. There's also the overhead of people making and previewing edits, and templates, and similar things. (This is a wiki with frequently changing full webpages that has a few dozen plus people often making more than 500 edits a day.) The site was have a hell of a time at first before we installed the Squid cache, and up until we upgraded our server recently we were still suffering spells of the site not loading.
ShGarland_1383 wrote:Seibertron wrote:I'd like to officially nominate ROTF Lockdown as a future BotCon or Club exclusive DEATH'S HEAD!!!
I know this is from the signature, and totally off-topic here, but I'd second that vote. You think Marvel would go for it though?
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