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Like I said, Furman has lost a couple of steps in the last 25 years.Sabrblade wrote:Yeah, and the other Autobots AUNTIE awoke are still outside too. They all gotta get put back inside the Ark (and destroyed again in the Autobots' case), but they were all left unaccounted for.Rodimus Prime wrote:Assuming we won't get any other stories like this, which I hope we do, there's 1 glaring continuity hole I won't forget. In issue 1 of the original Marvel comic, all the Bots and Cons wake up inside the Ark, including Megatron. But at the end of this story, Megatron drops outside. How does his body get back inside the Ark?
Erm, you're thinking of the one-shot "Transformers '84" issue. This spinoff series, "Secrets & Lies", didn't touch upon the stuff from "Man of Iron".ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:Another big continuity issue with this series, judging by TFWiki, is that it screws with "Man of Iron" even as it tries to set it up.
Right, the Wreckers weren't much of an issue here. If anything, this series shows how they came to be the Wreckers, which is fine since the Wreckers were already a group by the time of "Target: 2006".ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:Furman bringing the Wreckers in shouldn't be a surprise - they're his pet unit, and the 2005-2018 IDW comic (which in some ways he seems to have forgot he wasn't writing here) dragged them into the U.S. spotlight.
Except, that's not what he did in this case. If anything, he overrode the continuity of the UK comics with this series as, back in the pages of "Target: 2006", he wrote a back-up story called "Cybertron: The Middle Years!" in which he told a summary of events that happened on Cybertron during the 4-million-year time gap between the Ark's crash-landing on Earth and its occuprants awakening in the 80s.ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:And I'm pretty sure he was trying to better reconcile the US and UK comics, especially since the UK comic - which he was the main writer for and which had 252 more issues - gave several characters a lot more page-time and fleshing-out than the US one did.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Most likely, but that part of the story fit in fairly seamlessly. It was some of the other plot points that were unnecessary and out of place, seemed to be forced in, most obviously Deathsaurus and Star Saber. No point to their inclusion at all.Sabrblade wrote:I have to wonder the whole Decepticon Skyfire thing (which was itself very unnecessary) was done to appease a Hasbro request to advertise the Commander class Jetfire toy and its faction-changing gimmick.
Except now it creates an awkward-in-hindsight disconnect between him and his former Decepticon comrades when he is later "resurrected" as Jetfire and turned into an Autobot. As in, none of them ever seem to remember his time as Skyfire and none of the Decepticons ever call him out for switching sides (because it didn't originally happen, but now that did, this lack of acknowledgement in the original run feels like something is missing).Rodimus Prime wrote:Most likely, but that part of the story fit in fairly seamlessly.Sabrblade wrote:I have to wonder the whole Decepticon Skyfire thing (which was itself very unnecessary) was done to appease a Hasbro request to advertise the Commander class Jetfire toy and its faction-changing gimmick.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Technically when Shockwave resurrected him (instead of created him as it was originally) he was a Decepticon, if only in programming. So does that mean he was not really alive yet, until he was infused with the Creation Matrix, considering his spark was destroyed in TF'84? If he was, then he consciously switched sides in the original comics, and wasn't called on it. So the awkwardness you speak of was already there before the backstory was added.Sabrblade wrote:Except now it creates an awkward-in-hindsight disconnect between him and his former Decepticon comrades when he is later "resurrected" as Jetfire and turned into an Autobot. As in, none of them ever seem to remember his time as Skyfire and none of the Decepticons ever call him out for switching sides (because it didn't originally happen, but now that did, this lack of acknowledgement in the original run feels like something is missing).Rodimus Prime wrote:Most likely, but that part of the story fit in fairly seamlessly.Sabrblade wrote:I have to wonder the whole Decepticon Skyfire thing (which was itself very unnecessary) was done to appease a Hasbro request to advertise the Commander class Jetfire toy and its faction-changing gimmick.
Yes, but less so since he was only just created for the first time and didn't get to interact that much with his then-fellow Decepticons. But with the added backstory showing his history of working with the other Decepticons, the awkwardness is increased beyond its original extent.Rodimus Prime wrote:Technically when Shockwave resurrected him (instead of created him as it was originally) he was a Decepticon, if only in programming. So does that mean he was not really alive yet, until he was infused with the Creation Matrix, considering his spark was destroyed in TF'84? If he was, then he consciously switched sides in the original comics, and wasn't called on it. So the awkwardness you speak of was already there before the backstory was added.Sabrblade wrote:Except now it creates an awkward-in-hindsight disconnect between him and his former Decepticon comrades when he is later "resurrected" as Jetfire and turned into an Autobot. As in, none of them ever seem to remember his time as Skyfire and none of the Decepticons ever call him out for switching sides (because it didn't originally happen, but now that did, this lack of acknowledgement in the original run feels like something is missing).Rodimus Prime wrote:Most likely, but that part of the story fit in fairly seamlessly.Sabrblade wrote:I have to wonder the whole Decepticon Skyfire thing (which was itself very unnecessary) was done to appease a Hasbro request to advertise the Commander class Jetfire toy and its faction-changing gimmick.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Regardless of its origins, I still think it's a good dynamic and should be used as a basis for a story. Too bad Furman didn't take it any further. He could have written the whole 4-issue miniseries about these 2 having history together. But of course the needless fanservicing with the Wreckers and Deathsaurus and Star Saber had to take up page space.ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:I personally think that Furman is self-plagiarizing from his Dreamwave days with the Skyfire-Shockwave thing. And pairing them up is itself a callback to the original Jetfire vs. Shockwave ad from 1985.
Whatever it takes. The wreckers is a crappy concept involving some decent characters who would be better off.Rodimus, if there's Furman there's going to be Wreckers. They've been his pet idea as a unit since their inception and he's never going to stop using them unless threatened with cancellation.
Is it just the ridiculousness of Optimus's consciousness being stored on a freaking floppy disk that bothers you, or is it the whole issue? Because the battle against the Combaticons was there to serve as a lesson in the value of teamwork and compassion.I stand by my statement that there still needs to be some serious lifting or overwriting to deal with the mess that is "Afterdeath" for any of this to be worthwhile.
What bothers you so much about the Wreckers as a concept?Rodimus Prime wrote:Whatever it takes. The wreckers is a crappy concept involving some decent characters who would be better off.
It's the ridiculousness of Optimus committing suicide over accidentally killing video game NPCs. And Ethan Zachary just going along with it.Rodimus Prime wrote:Is it just the ridiculousness of Optimus's consciousness being stored on a freaking floppy disk that bothers you, or is it the whole issue? Because the battle against the Combaticons was there to serve as a lesson in the value of teamwork and compassion.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
I was never a big fan of Prime for his many (and mostly bafflingly stupid) deaths, it makes him seem like an ineffective leader at best and a suicidal/homicidal emo at worst. Either way, not an inspiring character.Sabrblade wrote:Yeah, Marvel G1 has probably the worst Optimus Prime death ever put to paper.
But, I think it kinda balances out since Furman later gave it one of the best Optimus Prime deaths ever in Issue 75.
For that, you can thank both the higher ups at Marvel canceling the series prematurely, and the folks at Hasbro wanting the comic to advertise Action Master Optimus before its rushed end.Rodimus Prime wrote:...and then he comes back 4 issues later.
Again.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
didn't he do that in the G2 comics?Sabrblade wrote:Though, it's Furman I blame for not using Regeneration One to actually do what he was originally going to do before the original comic's cancelation, instead using it to do other things completely unrelated to the next big storyline Furman had in mind post-Unicron.
ReG1 was a second chance to do the proper continuation of the G1 comics that he had wanted to do back in the day (as in, the true full-length quest for the Last Autobot), but he instead chose to write a bunch of other stuff that in no way would he have written for the original series way back then (some of which was even just a retread of the G2 comics).Rodimus Prime wrote:didn't he do that in the G2 comics?Sabrblade wrote:Though, it's Furman I blame for not using Regeneration One to actually do what he was originally going to do before the original comic's cancelation, instead using it to do other things completely unrelated to the next big storyline Furman had in mind post-Unicron.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Yes it was. As I said before, he has lost a couple of steps since the Dreamwave days. Or maybe he was just lazy and thought he could cover it up by changing a few characters and events around.Sabrblade wrote:ReG1 was a second chance to do the proper continuation of the G1 comics that he had wanted to do back in the day (as in, the true full-length quest for the Last Autobot), but he instead chose to write a bunch of other stuff that in no way would he have written for the original series way back then (some of which was even just a retread of the G2 comics).Rodimus Prime wrote:didn't he do that in the G2 comics?Sabrblade wrote:Though, it's Furman I blame for not using Regeneration One to actually do what he was originally going to do before the original comic's cancelation, instead using it to do other things completely unrelated to the next big storyline Furman had in mind post-Unicron.
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