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Sabrblade wrote:

william-james88 wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:The thing is, this is Hasbro competing with itself since every one of these reissues so far completely overlap with the Kingdom offerings 100%.

The Soundwave reissue overlapped, as did Starscream and Optimus Prime.

Not when they all had sufficiently different altmode designs and engineering from the contemporary Siege toys.

Plus, let's not kid ourselves, here. The G1 toys are worlds more different from the Generations toys of today compared to the original Beast Wars molds that have much of the same quality and spirit as today's Generations toys.

It doesn't really matter. Beast Wars is now 25 years old. Reissues were a no brainer. And as pointed out there are plenty of G1 reissues that get released alongside modern incarnations.
These appeal to people like me who grew up with Beast Wars.

The modernised ones grab your attention, and then the nostalgia attack of these will hit you in the face and pull you in.

I hope these will also get oldschool European packaging, gotta love yourself some Bio Combat.

Well that's a shame. At least the Transmetals would have been something interesting to look at.

Dead Metal wrote:It doesn't really matter. Beast Wars is now 25 years old. Reissues were a no brainer. And as pointed out there are plenty of G1 reissues that get released alongside modern incarnations.
These appeal to people like me who grew up with Beast Wars.

The modernised ones grab your attention, and then the nostalgia attack of these will hit you in the face and pull you in.

I hope these will also get oldschool European packaging, gotta love yourself some Bio Combat.

That is not what we were talking about. I've nothing against the idea of BW reissues. I'm a BW kid. Heck, look at my Maximal avatar and faction.

What we were discussing was the validity of whether or not the Transmetals would have been a better option for the BW reissues. I argue they would since they wouldn't have been as redundant as the Season 1 toys when compared to the offerings of the Kingdom line, and would have even finally given us a GPS-free Transmetal Megatron, something that people who were never able to get the 1999 GPS-free Takara version have been wanting for years.

Sabrblade wrote:

Dead Metal wrote:It doesn't really matter. Beast Wars is now 25 years old. Reissues were a no brainer. And as pointed out there are plenty of G1 reissues that get released alongside modern incarnations.
These appeal to people like me who grew up with Beast Wars.

The modernised ones grab your attention, and then the nostalgia attack of these will hit you in the face and pull you in.

I hope these will also get oldschool European packaging, gotta love yourself some Bio Combat.

That is not what we were talking about. I've nothing against the idea of BW reissues. I'm a BW kid. Heck, look at my Maximal avatar and faction.

What we were discussing was the validity of whether or not the Transmetals would have been a better option for the BW reissues. I argue they would since they wouldn't have been as redundant as the Season 1 toys when compared to the offerings of the Kingdom line, and would have even finally given us a GPS-free Transmetal Megatron, something that people who were never able to get the 1999 GPS-free Takara version have been wanting for years.

The TM would be nice, but to be honest, I don't think they will happen, this year at least.

It makes more sense like this. 25 anniversary of the original line, so we get updates and reissues.
It would have been stranger if they reissued the TMs instead of these.
And no they're not redundend, if anything it's awesome that Hasbro treats BW similar this time round as it does G1.
This year we can get a Classics Optimus Primal, a reisdyof the original and I believe the MP was also reissued.

Mever got an original Primal, so I'm stocked to get another chance.
I wouldn't say no to either TM, Fuzor or TM2.

The chosen reissues are completely redundant. Megs and Cheetor couldn't be anymore inferior to the Kingdom ones. Meanwhile, although classic Gorilla Primal was one of the best of the original line. To have either the Kingdom one or the MP, you're frankly wasting your money on him.

Dead Metal wrote:It makes more sense like this. 25 anniversary of the original line, so we get updates and reissues.

If only the same could have been said for the 20th anniversary. BW got nothing at all from Hasbro that year cuz Hasbro instead wanted to celebrate TFTM's 30th anniversary.

Dead Metal wrote:This year we can get a Classics Optimus Primal, a reisdyof the original and I believe the MP was also reissued.

Mever got an original Primal, so I'm stocked to get another chance.

To be fair, there was also the 2014 reissue Takara put out for their Legends line, which used the retooling of the Reborn/10th Anniversary version.


Transformers Legends Optimus Primal (Beast Convoy) Gallery

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:The chosen reissues are completely redundant. Megs and Cheetor couldn't be anymore inferior to the Kingdom ones. Meanwhile, although classic Gorilla Primal was one of the best of the original line. To have either the Kingdom one or the MP, you're frankly wasting your money on him.

I'll have to respectfully disagree.

Kingdom Cheetor is quite disappointment. The Original is still better in many ways.


Kingdom Megs is on his way, so can't yet comment on him.

The original Primal has a ton of features not present in the Kingdom version. Not saying the Kingdom version is bad, but the OG version still gives it a run for its money in features and accessories and sheer size.

If they're going to cram five languages on the cards and boxes, then at least include the wacky translated character names too! RIP, Rattilus

Sabrblade wrote:Plus, let's not kid ourselves, here. The G1 toys are worlds more different from the Generations toys of today compared to the original Beast Wars molds that have much of the same quality and spirit as today's Generations toys.

I'm not sure about that, but whatever degree of difference or similarity there is between the 1984 Optimus Prime, and 2020 ER Optimus Prime I'd say is more-or-less comparable to 1996 BW Megatron and 2021 Kingdom BW Megatron.

Initially I thought "there isn't much difference", but then I got told how much better quality the plastics were from the 90's. I'm not saying it's true or not, I'm just sayin whatever side of the argument I land on, I get told by someone I'm wrong. Can Both be wrong? Can two wrongs make a right .

Barney Megatron is a bad figure. Arguably the worst Predacon design of the original line. Mostly due to his gimmick and bizarre colour palette. The fact that the Kingdom one has two actual arms, makes him better by default.

The chosen '96 figures only really hold up with nostalgia goggles on. The ones from that initial line that still genuinely impress were unfortunately not show characters.

Just reusing the same Primal visual design they have been churning out again since PoTP, is both lazy and far too safe. Since they are already using the Season One designs again in Kingdom. There is nothing special about them to mark the anniversary by showing the same things. Two and a half decades removed.




Whereas these guys getting reissues would be infinitely more appealing to the collectors they are trying to reach.

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:Whereas these guys getting reissues would be infinitely more appealing to the collectors they are trying to reach.

In YOUR opinion. As you've seen in this thread, there are people who are just fine with what's actually getting released, and not some Allnewsuperrobot approved line up.

It's just some reissues. Maybe if these sell well (and I have a feeling they will if the Headmasters mean anything) then the versions you speak of might get some more time in the light.

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:Barney Megatron is a bad figure. Arguably the worst Predacon design of the original line. Mostly due to his gimmick and bizarre colour palette. The fact that the Kingdom one has two actual arms, makes him better by default.

The chosen '96 figures only really hold up with nostalgia goggles on. The ones from that initial line that still genuinely impress were unfortunately not show characters.

Just reusing the same Primal visual design they have been churning out again since PoTP, is both lazy and far too safe. Since they are already using the Season One designs again in Kingdom. There is nothing special about them to mark the anniversary by showing the same things. Two and a half decades removed.

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Whereas these guys getting reissues would be infinitely more appealing to the collectors they are trying to reach.

While I agree Transmetal Re-ssiues would have been great.

Its the 25th anniversary of the Beastwars launch. Re-issuing figures from 2 years into the Beatwars line, seems unlikely.

Maybe in 2023 for the Transmetal 25th anniversary.

I hope those reissues are not walmart exclusive T_T
I've never had the original Cheetor and is like kinda a grail on my collection. I got the MP and even the Cyberverse one just to have one...
And also I could get another MEgs and another Rattrap because mine are a bit beaten up...

Overcracker wrote:While I agree Transmetal Re-issues would have been great.

Its the 25th anniversary of the Beast wars launch. Re-issuing figures from 2 years into the Beast wars line, seems unlikely.

Maybe in 2023 for the Transmetal 25th anniversary.

That's the thing though. These reissues seem completely at odds with Kingdom. If the point of the third chapter of WFC using the Season One designs was a celebration of the anniversary, then why employ these here too?

Why not do what they are doing with WFC, with this anniversary year IE showing off characters and waves from the Beast Era in general. WFC for Season One, Reissues for Season Two etc

They bypass a lot of anniversaries when they choose to IE Car Robots last year, didn't even get a redeco. To me, this selection of releases is a bit too similar to those of the last anniversary. Which indicates they don't care that much.

The only one of these I didn't have when I was a kid is Megatron, but I have the Kingdom version now and he's seven different flavours of A M A Z I N G. My original Rattrap and Cheetor are still in good condition, and while my Optimus is missing some pieces I don't have much desire for another one, so I can skip all of these re-issues.

Even though I have the Korean release of Cheetor I'd be down to get this reissue and Rattrap. Although I don't like Beast Wars as a whole I did like the look of these wave 1 figures. If you don't have a version that Prime is a must!

Cheetor might sell just for those who want his gun, I'm going to have to compare more images of kingdom Megs alongside orig Megs but I still think I'm going for KO MP. did MP Beats wars Megs ever get a states ide release yet?
Hasbro seems determined to have fifty versions/release of the same characters out at once.

Already have the original releases of all of these, so this is a disappointment. Was really hoping those Transmetal rumors were true.

On the plus side, those prices aren't nearly as bad as the rumored ones from a few weeks ago (Which had prices up to $50), so that bodes well if they continue the re-releases.

blackeyedprime wrote:Cheetor might sell just for those who want his gun,

Note that the original Cheetor uses 3mm fist holes and pegs, Kingdom Cheetor has 5mm so he can't hold the original's weapons.

Sabrblade wrote:

blackeyedprime wrote:Cheetor might sell just for those who want his gun,

Note that the original Cheetor uses 3mm fist holes and pegs, Kingdom Cheetor has 5mm so he can't hold the original's weapons.

Yup. Kingdom Cheetor can't hold those guns.

He can however hold Masterpiece Cheetor's tail gun quite well.

Overcracker wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

blackeyedprime wrote:Cheetor might sell just for those who want his gun,

Note that the original Cheetor uses 3mm fist holes and pegs, Kingdom Cheetor has 5mm so he can't hold the original's weapons.

Yup. Kingdom Cheetor can't hold those guns.

He can however hold Masterpiece Cheetor's tail gun quite well.

Cool!

I'll probably get Rattrap since I don't own one, but I'll likely pass on the rest since I have the originals. Really wanted a Transmetal Megatron that I can actually Transform, but maybe next time.

Emerje

These are such classic molds I’m super happy new people can experience them but yeah transmetal Optimus and megatron would have been cool. Or a states release for the first time of ravage would be nice but I understand releasing the basics too. Everyone talks about gps on megaton but what about transmetal 2 megaton? That dragon crumbled even worse for me but I’m still happy these are coming out

For anyone in Australia, OzFormers are reporting that the reissues will be available in Big W.

GrangerPerry wrote:Or a states release for the first time of ravage would be nice

Unfortunately, back during the 10th Anniversary line, Hasbro went looking for that mold and either couldn't find it or it was lost beyond recovery.