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Re: Transformers Bishoujo Optimus Prime and Megatron Revealed

Postby primalxconvoy » Mon Feb 14, 2022 7:42 pm

1/ Just because some females have made such videos, doesn't excuse such behaviour. They might have made them to get more ad revenue, for example, or have a minority view not shared by most other women/girls. They might even be a parody of similar videos. Money makes many of us do things we otherwise wouldn't and this has been widely discussed in relation to the objectification of women. Just because "some" women are happy to be objectified, doesn't mean all of them are. Also, how do we know all of the videos by "women" are made by actual women at YouTube?

Regardless, even if I myself might like such videos (Although I cannot tell as I've not watched them), if they are anything like you've suggested, then I wouldn't be sharing them publicly here. We need to be more inclusive, right?

2/ The "if you don't like it, then leave" argument is not really relevant here. These figures (arguably), IMO at least, aren't to the same degree of objectification as, say, "Kiss Players", which is why I engaged with this thread. They seem, at least to me, to be more cute than overly sexy to me (Although Megatron is pushing it a bit). Many others here have also been able to discuss the figures (including the dimensions of certain body parts) without resorting to language that could (hopefully) not be misconstrued as that of a hormone-raging 13 year-old boy.

Also, even if anyone here DID have any problems with something at the site (be it content, comments, etc), I believe it's their right to enter a related thread and post their views on the matter.

Again, for the record, my post here isn't to criticise the figures, nor even to complain about the discussion of the physical dimensions of them. I would just like to give a friendly reminder to avoid language that might give the impression that the sexual objectification of women was "ok" at Seibertron (which I don't think it is).

Also:
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Please correct me if I'm wrong here, but:

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However, perhaps I've been wrong in my inference of any of the language used above? If so, then I apologise for getting the wrong end of the stick.
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Re: Transformers Bishoujo Optimus Prime and Megatron Revealed

Postby -Kanrabat- » Mon Feb 14, 2022 11:24 pm

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Well, feel free to go to the Amish or any other prudish community. It's your right.
Just let people decide for themselves and do not impose YOUR holier-than-thou prudish attitude on others. Especially in a thread where the main focus of a collectible IS "sexualisation."
Stop acting like a Bay-hater invading a Bay thread just to hate on Bayformers.

I could show you 100s of videos of females enjoying the sexy weeb hobby and you'll still believes those girls have "internal misogyny" or "a man is behind". Anime fans, cosplay fans, V-Tubing, and more. You don't believes it because you're not part of it.

"But muh lewdtalk!"

What you do is to gatekeep a whole fandom you're not even parts of.
As for any "broken rules", you are breaking a rule right now.
DO NOT PSEUDO-MOD.
Stop it.

If anyone feel "uncomfortable" somewhere, they are free to just shut up, leave, and not ruin it for anybody else.

Finally, Money talk, bullcrap walk.
It's an universal rule. And the "degenerate" anime fandom makes billions. With MILLIONS of fans. But of course, those fans are all the same, right?

Edit:
Forgot to conclude that affirming that women of culture cannot exist without some "evil male influence" is very offensive and is actual sexism.
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Re: Transformers Bishoujo Optimus Prime and Megatron Revealed

Postby primalxconvoy » Tue Feb 15, 2022 12:07 am

Does anyone get the vibe that Optimus looks a little bit like the mechanic from "The Outer Worlds"?

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Re: Transformers Bishoujo Optimus Prime and Megatron Revealed

Postby blackeyedprime » Tue Feb 15, 2022 12:40 am

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primalxconvoy wrote:Does anyone get the vibe that Optimus looks a little bit like the mechanic from "The Outer Worlds"?


Not really seeing it, I think they've gone more final fantasy 15 mechanic Cindy but toned some things down.
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Re: Transformers Bishoujo Optimus Prime and Megatron Revealed

Postby primalxconvoy » Tue Feb 15, 2022 1:02 am

blackeyedprime wrote:
primalxconvoy wrote:Does anyone get the vibe that Optimus looks a little bit like the mechanic from "The Outer Worlds"?


Not really seeing it, I think they've gone more final fantasy 15 mechanic Cindy but toned some things down.


Ahh yes, she does, a bit. Now I recall there was an anime for...Wipeout (the futuristic racing game) where a "sexy" female mechanic gets on a motorbike, or something? I might have gotten my wires crossed?

Anyway, I still get a "Borderlands" feel about Op, even though there's not really a trace of it in the illustration. I suppose it's just the "females sci-fi mechanic" slant?

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I just wish they had used this type of imagery for Wheeljack. Mind you, I think the original description of her "toolbox" is actually that of a "briefcase", so maybe they were going for a different theme for this character?
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Re: Transformers Bishoujo Optimus Prime and Megatron Revealed

Postby AcademyofDrX » Tue Feb 15, 2022 7:17 am

-Kanrabat- wrote:If anyone feel "uncomfortable" somewhere, they are free to just shut up, leave, and not ruin it for anybody else.

Or maybe we should just accept everyone has different tastes, let's deescalate everyone, it's just horny statues.
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Re: Transformers Bishoujo Optimus Prime and Megatron Revealed

Postby AcademyofDrX » Tue Feb 15, 2022 7:49 am

I will say that fanart of these two designs is coming from artists with a range of genders, so it's probably safe to assume that the market for the actual product will not be men exclusively. Personally I'm holding out for Rodimus or Screamer. I'm a fan of fembots like Windblade, but I doubt I would like her in a Bishoujo design.
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Re: Transformers Bishoujo Optimus Prime and Megatron Revealed

Postby primalxconvoy » Tue Feb 15, 2022 7:55 am

AcademyofDrX wrote:I will say that fanart of these two designs is coming from artists with a range of genders, so it's probably safe to assume that the market for the actual product will not be men exclusively. Personally I'm holding out for Rodimus or Screamer. I'm a fan of fembots like Windblade, but I doubt I would like her in a Bishoujo design.


I want to make it clear that I haven't criticised the figures, but rather certain uses of vocabulary some have used when referring to them. I believe these are separate things. Thus it's entirely possible to discuss the figures without resorting to extreme language, either for or against them.
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Re: Transformers Bishoujo Optimus Prime and Megatron Revealed

Postby -Kanrabat- » Tue Feb 15, 2022 8:15 am

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AcademyofDrX wrote:
-Kanrabat- wrote:If anyone feel "uncomfortable" somewhere, they are free to just shut up, leave, and not ruin it for anybody else.

Or maybe we should just accept everyone has different tastes, let's deescalate everyone, it's just horny statues.


That's my point.

Anyone is free to not like it. The offence is when someone brush a whole group, a whole gender, a whole race, under the same umbrella.
"Do not X because it's Y against Z" is textbook definition of so many isms.

primalxconvoy wrote:
AcademyofDrX wrote:I will say that fanart of these two designs is coming from artists with a range of genders, so it's probably safe to assume that the market for the actual product will not be men exclusively. Personally I'm holding out for Rodimus or Screamer. I'm a fan of fembots like Windblade, but I doubt I would like her in a Bishoujo design.


I want to make it clear that I haven't criticised the figures, but rather certain uses of vocabulary some have used when referring to them. I believe these are separate things. Thus it's entirely possible to discuss the figures without resorting to extreme language, either for or against them.


What made me angry is that your sole argument for "tone down the language" was because "there's women on the site." Women are human too you know. They can be as horny as men and like things you don't expect.
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Re: Transformers Bishoujo Optimus Prime and Megatron Revealed

Postby william-james88 » Tue Feb 15, 2022 10:42 am

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primalxconvoy wrote:Does anyone get the vibe that Optimus looks a little bit like the mechanic from "The Outer Worlds"?


Not really seeing it, I think they've gone more final fantasy 15 mechanic Cindy but toned some things down.


I wonder what "things" you refer to.



;)

AcademyofDrX wrote:it's probably safe to assume that the market for the actual product will not be men exclusively.


More than just safe to assume, it's a fact that both women and men buy these kinds of statues. I'm actually wondering if the MLP ones were more purchased by women than men even, given that the initial fan base was more women than men.

And also, I will say that as a heterosexual man, I don't find these statues all that sexy nor scandalous. None of these gave me an erection. And the general opinion I am seeing online in social media is that these are rather tame, maybe because they are based on kids properties owned by Hasbro, as we saw with MLP.

As for Final Fantasty 15 Cindy, which I had to look up online after BlackeyedPrime suggested it, well ....
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Re: Transformers Bishoujo Optimus Prime and Megatron Revealed

Postby AcademyofDrX » Tue Feb 15, 2022 10:52 am

TMI but I take your point and agree, I really liked the MLP designs and these seem to be going for a similar aesthetic.
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Re: Transformers Bishoujo Optimus Prime and Megatron Revealed

Postby -Kanrabat- » Tue Feb 15, 2022 11:21 am

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They nailed the MLP girls with a sledgehammer. They are so perfect! Too bad space and money prevented me from buying any.

I once considered the Baroness, but her face didn't sit right with me. Baroness is supposed have a square jaw, not a pointy chin.

What I love to see in an anime girl figure is a nice balance of nice-ass with bad-ass. Add a dash of cuteness for perfection. The whole package not falling into any carricatural pitfalls like an oversised chest or an unnaturally twisted spine.

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Re: Transformers Bishoujo Optimus Prime and Megatron Revealed

Postby blackeyedprime » Tue Feb 15, 2022 11:42 am

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Well now we know why uk toy sightings news will be delayed because of time spent playing ff15 hahaha :p

Wouldn't mind seeing a librarian version of orion pax/prime. If anyone can pull off red/blue tweed, bishoujo might be able to do it. I'm not fussed about gladiator origins for megatron but a strong woman megs might look great too.
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Re: Transformers Bishoujo Optimus Prime and Megatron Revealed

Postby primalxconvoy » Tue Feb 15, 2022 3:27 pm

blackeyedprime wrote:Well now we know why uk toy sightings news will be delayed because of time spent playing ff15 hahaha :p

Wouldn't mind seeing a librarian version of orion pax/prime. If anyone can pull off red/blue tweed, bishoujo might be able to do it. I'm not fussed about gladiator origins for megatron but a strong woman megs might look great too.


A librarian! Of course! Why didn't the company think of that? The trailer could be a book and roller could be those ladders on rails you see in old libraries, maybe?
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Re: Transformers Bishoujo Optimus Prime and Megatron Revealed

Postby RK_Striker_JK_5 » Tue Feb 15, 2022 9:56 pm

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I already own the MLP and GI Joe statues, at least the initial releases. No room or money to buy repaints. These two are easy buys for me. I am very impressed how they translated them into human form.
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Re: Transformers Bishoujo Optimus Prime and Megatron Revealed

Postby DeceptiGojira » Thu Feb 17, 2022 12:48 am

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Tomboyptimus Prime vs MegaMILF.

Jokes aside, they do look great, worker girl Optimus reminds me of Orion Pax and Megatron girl looks cool with her military uniform.
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Re: Transformers Bishoujo Optimus Prime and Megatron Revealed

Postby primalxconvoy » Thu Feb 17, 2022 1:29 am

DeceptiGojira wrote:Tomboyptimus Prime vs MegaMILF.

Jokes aside, they do look great, worker girl Optimus reminds me of Orion Pax and Megatron girl looks cool with her military uniform.


Military Megs (her name's GOTTA be "Megs" or "Megan", right?) reminds me of the girls in 'Advance Wars", but again, I also can't really find evidence to really back up why...

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Re: Transformers Bishoujo Optimus Prime and Megatron Revealed

Postby Emerje » Thu Feb 17, 2022 9:03 pm

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primalxconvoy wrote:
DeceptiGojira wrote:Tomboyptimus Prime vs MegaMILF.

Jokes aside, they do look great, worker girl Optimus reminds me of Orion Pax and Megatron girl looks cool with her military uniform.


Military Megs (her name's GOTTA be "Megs" or "Megan", right?) reminds me of the girls in 'Advance Wars", but again, I also can't really find evidence to really back up why...


Let's just call her Meg, and then get a secret alternate head of Meg from Family Guy. (Meg is actually short for Megatron Harvey Oswald Griffin in Family Guy, I kid you not.)

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Re: Transformers Bishoujo Optimus Prime and Megatron Revealed

Postby -Kanrabat- » Thu Feb 17, 2022 11:46 pm

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Emerje wrote:
primalxconvoy wrote:
DeceptiGojira wrote:Tomboyptimus Prime vs MegaMILF.

Jokes aside, they do look great, worker girl Optimus reminds me of Orion Pax and Megatron girl looks cool with her military uniform.


Military Megs (her name's GOTTA be "Megs" or "Megan", right?) reminds me of the girls in 'Advance Wars", but again, I also can't really find evidence to really back up why...


Let's just call her Meg, and then get a secret alternate head of Meg from Family Guy. (Meg is actually short for Megatron Harvey Oswald Griffin in Family Guy, I kid you not.)

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Re: Transformers Bishoujo Optimus Prime and Megatron Revealed

Postby primalxconvoy » Fri Feb 18, 2022 4:26 am

Emerje wrote:
primalxconvoy wrote:
DeceptiGojira wrote:Tomboyptimus Prime vs MegaMILF.

Jokes aside, they do look great, worker girl Optimus reminds me of Orion Pax and Megatron girl looks cool with her military uniform.


Military Megs (her name's GOTTA be "Megs" or "Megan", right?) reminds me of the girls in 'Advance Wars", but again, I also can't really find evidence to really back up why...


Let's just call her Meg, and then get a secret alternate head of Meg from Family Guy. (Meg is actually short for Megatron Harvey Oswald Griffin in Family Guy, I kid you not.)

Emerje



Or "Megan", and make her wear a grey fox costume? Perhaps that's going too far? I never did like Bay's portrayals of certain social groups in his TF films.

Anyway, for those that might like this sort of thing...

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Re: Transformers Bishoujo Optimus Prime and Megatron Revealed

Postby Evil Eye » Fri Feb 18, 2022 6:21 am

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Megan Tronne maybe? :lol:

As a side note, I have managed to secure an order for a pair of cheap recasts of the old Dimension Diver/Daibadi GaoGaiGar girl kits (the real deal being extremely rare and expensive) which I'm intending to rework into an R63 Prime and Megatron. Gonna do Prime up to reference Yellow Splendid Convoy (need to think of a better name...) whilst Megatron will be a Megatronia homage.
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Re: Transformers Bishoujo Optimus Prime and Megatron Revealed

Postby -Kanrabat- » Fri Feb 18, 2022 6:50 am

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Another idea.

Omega Supreme.

A THICC and muscular mamma with huge badonkadonks.
On one hand, a humongous drill thing and on another, a big claw thing. Huge boots, overalls, miner helmet, and a backpack with cart rails sticking out.

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Re: Transformers Bishoujo Optimus Prime and Megatron Revealed

Postby Evil Eye » Fri Feb 18, 2022 7:04 am

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-Kanrabat- wrote:Another idea.

Omega Supreme.

A THICC and muscular mamma with huge badonkadonks.
On one hand, a humongous drill thing and on another, a big claw thing. Huge boots, overalls, miner helmet, and a backpack with cart rails sticking out.

Man, this would be epic!

"Thighs: Thicc. Sex appeal: Considerable. Twitter: Seething." :lol:
More seriously an Omega Supreme who turned into a sort of mining station thing would be very cool.
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Re: Transformers Bishoujo Optimus Prime and Megatron Revealed

Postby -Kanrabat- » Fri Feb 18, 2022 8:34 am

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Evil Eye wrote:
-Kanrabat- wrote:Another idea.

Omega Supreme.

A THICC and muscular mamma with huge badonkadonks.
On one hand, a humongous drill thing and on another, a big claw thing. Huge boots, overalls, miner helmet, and a backpack with cart rails sticking out.

Man, this would be epic!

"Thighs: Thicc. Sex appeal: Considerable. Twitter: Seething." :lol:
More seriously an Omega Supreme who turned into a sort of mining station thing would be very cool.


That part of Twitter rage against ANYTHING that is attractive. Better not give them any attention.

As for the Omega I propose, the Kotobukiya Bishoujo Leatherface gives a solid basis of what I have in mind.

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Re: Transformers Bishoujo Optimus Prime and Megatron Revealed

Postby MaximalNui » Wed Mar 16, 2022 5:16 pm

This is clearly not for me, but I really like these designs. Optimus is especially good: it has so many nods to the original character, both obvious (the Matrix necklace, the crest glasses), subtle (the belt, the jacket chest pockets imitating windows) and in-between (the trailer case, the wheeled boots), while still avoiding the "girl in sci-fi armor cosplay" aesthetic; the only way this could be better is if they included the mouthplate (though I can see why a mask wouldn't be appreciated, given the last couple years), and maybe Roller as a pet or RC.

Megatron, on the other hand...feels very basic, and way too subtle for its own good. The only thing remotely Megatron-y about it is the cannon, and maybe the belt.

-Kanrabat- wrote:As for the Omega I propose, the Kotobukiya Bishoujo Leatherface gives a solid basis of what I have in mind.

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Gonna be honest, seeing a cannibal serial killer who regularly wears human skin converted into a "sexy girl" feels a bit disturbing. But then again, as I said, this is not for me anyway.
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