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Re: Transformers Buzzworthy Bumblebee Discussion

Postby blackeyedprime » Sun Dec 12, 2021 5:50 pm

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TLDR, for me this new CJ trades relatively-minor (and relatively easy to amend) cosmetic problems... for a major cosmetic problem that's hard to amend.


The painted windows make it easier to give him a lower window belt third party/3d print to make it look accurate. this cliff might look cheap but it's uniform and has a lot less needed to make it more accurate (tho an actual waist would take more than a third party piece). WFCs blacked out rear window is more windcharger than cliff (unless going by g1 toy then all the windows should be black) so it definitely has more going for it even with my preferences of clear windows.
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Re: Transformers Buzzworthy Bumblebee Discussion

Postby Emerje » Sun Dec 12, 2021 8:33 pm

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Wolfman Jake wrote:Hasbro sells Transformers to stores. Stores resell to us. Hasbro doesn’t directly sell us Transformers per se. Keeping Target stocked with Transformers directly increases Hasbro’s sales and makes them money. So, yes, Hasbro is in it for money, and the Buzzworthy Bumblebee line keeps that cash flowing. It really simple. You’re comparing two different things. One is the means to the other.


My point is the bottom line.
Which is Hastak making money.
Sure, the steps of this process can be discussed and examined.
My posts have been in response to something pretty specific, so I wouldn't say that was me comparing anything. I was explaining my stance.

And I don't have any issues at all with the Buzzworthy line.
I'm not buying much from it, but I'm more than okay with that.
Same goes for Cyberverse, only I'm not buying any of those figures.

None of you are really wrong with this. The line exists BOTH so that Hasbro has new products to make money off of AND so Target has fresh toys to put on the shelves so they can make money. The line wouldn't exist in the first place if, like Will said, Target didn't want it for their shelves. I'm not even sure why this is even up for debate. >:oP

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Re: Transformers Buzzworthy Bumblebee Discussion

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Emerje wrote:I'm not even sure why this is even up for debate. >:oP

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Re: Transformers Buzzworthy Bumblebee Discussion

Postby ZeroWolf » Mon Dec 13, 2021 2:42 am

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Emerje wrote:I'm not even sure why this is even up for debate. >:oP

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Because it's the Internet.
Debating pointless things is mandatory.

What he said.

I did wonder why it was even a point of contention, we've known how Hasbro operates for a while.
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Re: Transformers Buzzworthy Bumblebee Discussion

Postby -Kanrabat- » Mon Dec 13, 2021 4:44 am

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ZeroWolf wrote:I did wonder why it was even a point of contention, we've known how Hasbro operates for a while.


I may add that complaining that a corporation "just want to make money" is very idiotic, completely stupid, and brain dead.
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Re: Transformers Buzzworthy Bumblebee Discussion

Postby sol magnus » Mon Dec 13, 2021 6:01 am

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ZeroWolf wrote:I did wonder why it was even a point of contention, we've known how Hasbro operates for a while.


I may add that complaining that a corporation "just want to make money" is very idiotic, completely stupid, and brain dead.
>:oP

You might be going overboard with that one, veering into insults i.e. 'stupid' 'idiotic' 'brain dead.'

I know we don't all agree (collectively), but we usually are at least civil. I'm sure there are other boards where people don't even attempt it, but I wouldn't know 'cuz this is the only place I post.
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Re: Transformers Buzzworthy Bumblebee Discussion

Postby -Kanrabat- » Mon Dec 13, 2021 6:33 am

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sol magnus wrote:
-Kanrabat- wrote:
ZeroWolf wrote:I did wonder why it was even a point of contention, we've known how Hasbro operates for a while.


I may add that complaining that a corporation "just want to make money" is very idiotic, completely stupid, and brain dead.
>:oP

You might be going overboard with that one, veering into insults i.e. 'stupid' 'idiotic' 'brain dead.'

I know we don't all agree (collectively), but we usually are at least civil. I'm sure there are other boards where people don't even attempt it, but I wouldn't know 'cuz this is the only place I post.



I say things as they are.
What would you say to someone who keep complaining that snow is cold, the sky is high, and the opposite sex is incomprehensible?

There's a point where a spade must be called a spade.

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Re: Transformers Buzzworthy Bumblebee Discussion

Postby sol magnus » Mon Dec 13, 2021 7:55 am

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Hey, I know all about corporations. I'm not debating your definitions. I'm just saying there's not much difference in saying somebody's argument is 'stupid, idiotic and brain dead' than just calling them 'stupid idiotic and brain dead' particularly in print rather than verbally.

I'm not saying 'we should all just get along' because I've been here long enough to know better. I'm just saying we usually don't go quite as far with the inflammatory words.
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Re: Transformers Buzzworthy Bumblebee Discussion

Postby Emerje » Mon Dec 13, 2021 6:07 pm

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So, anyway...

Finally a clear-ish shot of the side. Well, it isn't Rodimus or Ironhide.

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It's Mirage, weird. Wonder if he'll be SS86?

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Re: Transformers Buzzworthy Bumblebee Discussion

Postby sol magnus » Mon Dec 13, 2021 6:12 pm

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Emerje wrote:
It's Mirage, weird. Wonder if he'll be SS86?

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Doesn't make much sense if he's not. Kudos on the discovery.
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Re: Transformers Buzzworthy Bumblebee Discussion

Postby Wolfman Jake » Mon Dec 13, 2021 6:39 pm

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Emerje wrote:
It's Mirage, weird. Wonder if he'll be SS86?

Emerje

Doesn't make much sense if he's not. Kudos on the discovery.


But, will it be a repaint of the Siege version of the mold or the Kingdom version? Siege is more robot mode accurate, but Kingdom has the better alt mode. My guess (and my hope) is that “Studio Series” figures prioritize robot mode primarily, and so will go for the Siege version.
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Re: Transformers Buzzworthy Bumblebee Discussion

Postby Emerje » Mon Dec 13, 2021 7:09 pm

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sol magnus wrote:
Emerje wrote:
It's Mirage, weird. Wonder if he'll be SS86?

Emerje

Doesn't make much sense if he's not. Kudos on the discovery.

To be honest nothing would surprise me in this line. Anything from being entirely clear blue to being slightly different from the Amazon release, it could really be anything since, unlike Cliffjumper, he wasn't in the movie and didn't appear in the cartoon again after Masquerade (second to last episode of season 2 before the movie).

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Re: Transformers Buzzworthy Bumblebee Discussion

Postby o.supreme » Mon Dec 13, 2021 7:12 pm

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sol magnus wrote:
Emerje wrote:
It's Mirage, weird. Wonder if he'll be SS86?

Emerje

Doesn't make much sense if he's not. Kudos on the discovery.


Actually it would not make sense if it was SS considering Mirage wasn't in TF:TM at all. I would suspect they'll just release Mirage as part of the Buzzworthy line without a number. Not sure if it will be Siege or Kingdom though. If it is the Kingdom version, I imagine a lot of fans who sprung for the Amazon exclusive set with BW Grimlock would be upset. If they do happen to put a SS86 number on Mirage, then the number system has completely failed and would be pointless.
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Re: Transformers Buzzworthy Bumblebee Discussion

Postby Emerje » Mon Dec 13, 2021 7:27 pm

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I'm leaning towards it being the Kingdom mold since A) the Siege mold has already been used three times, and B) if you look closely the shoulder canon appears to be posted to his back like the Kingdom version instead of his shoulder.

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Re: Transformers Buzzworthy Bumblebee Discussion

Postby sol magnus » Mon Dec 13, 2021 7:33 pm

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Emerje wrote:I'm leaning towards it being the Kingdom mold since A) the Siege mold has already been used three times, and B) if you look closely the shoulder canon appears to be posted to his back like the Kingdom version instead of his shoulder.

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I'm fairly sure I'll be skipping him, but cool nonetheless.
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Re: Transformers Buzzworthy Bumblebee Discussion

Postby TF-fan kev777 » Mon Dec 13, 2021 9:16 pm

It is too early to assume Mirage would be in SS86 at all. The same side of the box shows what looks to me like a Cyberverse Optimus Prime on the bottom panel, so this packaging is likely the new Buzzworthy packaging for 2022. All of the 2021 releases used the same packaging across Cyberverse, Studio Series and the oddballs like Origins, Worlds Collide.

So even if a G1 Mirage, G1 Arcee and Cyberverse Optimus are coming, that doesn't Mean Mirage would be SS86, he could be some other release. G1 Arcee would make sense since we already know she is coming in SS86 and Cyberverse Prime would be a presumed Cyberverse release of some sort.

But, them being on the package alone isn't a guarantee they are coming. There were 4 different depictions of Bee on the first packaging and I can only account for one of them, the clearly G1 head from either Origins or Worlds Collide. One of the Bees looks a lot like T-30 Bee who did not come. I'm not familiar with Cybeverse, but assume that is covered somewhere and the 4th Bee on the bottom of the side looks to be some type of golden statue. The point is, the first packaging appears to be a collage of Bees and not all of them came in toy form.

What appears to be the case so far is that the first Deluxe wave will be 3 figures, SS-70 B-127, SS86-02 Kup and SS86-13 Cliff. I wonder what the breakdown will be, or if there is a 4th Figure that has been hidden in the photos and sightings so far.
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Re: Transformers Buzzworthy Bumblebee Discussion

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Emerje wrote:I'm leaning towards it being the Kingdom mold since A) the Siege mold has already been used three times, and B) if you look closely the shoulder canon appears to be posted to his back like the Kingdom version instead of his shoulder.

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There is plenty of artistic license taken in those box art portraits, though it's obvious they're supposed to be their G1 selves. I think it's just as plausible that the artist had to move the position of the shoulder cannon because the art direction called for a shot of Mirage looking over his right shoulder. It was either flip the cannon back or mirror it to the left shoulder so as not to block his face.
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Re: Transformers Buzzworthy Bumblebee Discussion

Postby Emerje » Tue Dec 14, 2021 8:41 am

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Emerje wrote:I'm leaning towards it being the Kingdom mold since A) the Siege mold has already been used three times, and B) if you look closely the shoulder canon appears to be posted to his back like the Kingdom version instead of his shoulder.

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There is plenty of artistic license taken in those box art portraits, though it's obvious they're supposed to be their G1 selves. I think it's just as plausible that the artist had to move the position of the shoulder cannon because the art direction called for a shot of Mirage looking over his right shoulder. It was either flip the cannon back or mirror it to the left shoulder so as not to block his face.

It's entirely possible, but seeing as how Hasbro considers the Siege version his Cybertronian form and the Earthrise figure his Earth form and they've only used that mold one time, I don't see any reason why it wouldn't be the Earthrise mold.

TF-fan kev777 wrote:It is too early to assume Mirage would be in SS86 at all. The same side of the box shows what looks to me like a Cyberverse Optimus Prime on the bottom panel, so this packaging is likely the new Buzzworthy packaging for 2022. All of the 2021 releases used the same packaging across Cyberverse, Studio Series and the oddballs like Origins, Worlds Collide.

That looks like G1 Optimus to me. It's blurry, but it wouldn't surprise me if they do a more cartoon accurate Earthrise Prime with trailer, similar to the 35th anniversary Siege figure, but without the cartoon shading.

So even if a G1 Mirage, G1 Arcee and Cyberverse Optimus are coming, that doesn't Mean Mirage would be SS86, he could be some other release. G1 Arcee would make sense since we already know she is coming in SS86 and Cyberverse Prime would be a presumed Cyberverse release of some sort.

I was trying to come up with a possible different version of Mirage that it could be, but really the only Mirage that looks like G1 Mirage is G1 Mirage. It's not like he's in Cyberverse or anything and other Mirages are in different colors entirely or have different heads.

But, them being on the package alone isn't a guarantee they are coming. There were 4 different depictions of Bee on the first packaging and I can only account for one of them, the clearly G1 head from either Origins or Worlds Collide. One of the Bees looks a lot like T-30 Bee who did not come. I'm not familiar with Cybeverse, but assume that is covered somewhere and the 4th Bee on the bottom of the side looks to be some type of golden statue. The point is, the first packaging appears to be a collage of Bees and not all of them came in toy form.

The first one at the top and the big portrait is Authentics Bee, the second one is G1 cartoon Bee (technically fully represented by the Origins figure since he had the same bot mode everywhere), the third is his Marvel comics appearance. I don't think the point of the packaging for the first series was to represent toys coming, just different versions of the Bumblebee since with a line named "Buzzworthy Bumblebee" it was probably intended to be just figures of him before it morphed into a line of repaints for Target. Unlike the first series it doesn't make sense to put characters on the package of the second series that aren't Bumblebee and not released as figures.

What appears to be the case so far is that the first Deluxe wave will be 3 figures, SS-70 B-127, SS86-02 Kup and SS86-13 Cliff. I wonder what the breakdown will be, or if there is a 4th Figure that has been hidden in the photos and sightings so far.

Pretty sure three is it for what it seems people are calling assortment 2. Assortment 3 will probably be Arcee, Mirage, and another movie figure.

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Re: Transformers Buzzworthy Bumblebee Discussion

Postby TF-fan kev777 » Tue Dec 14, 2021 10:03 am

The photo showing prime is a bit blurry, from the little you can see, the eyes looked more like Cyberverse to me with the black standing out a little through the blur, but that could easily be just the photo quality skewing things. It also could just be me not being familiar with whatever they used for the source material (comic, cartoon, etc.)

I'm still on the fence on whether the packaging means Prime, Arcee and Mirage are coming in Buzzworthy or not. The first version of the packaging told use very little about what would be released. If they changed things up just to have different packaging for 2022 than 2021, then it could mean nothing or it could be a preview of what to expect.
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Re: Transformers Buzzworthy Bumblebee Discussion

Postby Wolfman Jake » Mon Jan 03, 2022 5:32 pm

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I thought I had read somewhere that the new wave of Buzzworthy Bumblebee Deluxe Class figures (with Cliffjumper and Kup) was “street dated” for 12/30/21. I’ve been checking my local Targets since, but no luck. Some of the stores seemed to get another round of the Origins Bumblebee case instead! #-o
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Re: Transformers Buzzworthy Bumblebee Discussion

Postby TF-fan kev777 » Tue Jan 04, 2022 6:43 am

Wolfman Jake wrote:I thought I had read somewhere that the new wave of Buzzworthy Bumblebee Deluxe Class figures (with Cliffjumper and Kup) was “street dated” for 12/30/21. I’ve been checking my local Targets since, but no luck. Some of the stores seemed to get another round of the Origins Bumblebee case instead! #-o


I've seen both the origins Bee restocked, as well as the single deluxe SS wave with 3 Bee's and Shatter restocked as well.
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Re: Transformers Buzzworthy Bumblebee Discussion

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Wolfman Jake wrote:I thought I had read somewhere that the new wave of Buzzworthy Bumblebee Deluxe Class figures (with Cliffjumper and Kup) was “street dated” for 12/30/21. I’ve been checking my local Targets since, but no luck. Some of the stores seemed to get another round of the Origins Bumblebee case instead! #-o

I haven't even heard a rumored release date until you said this, I wasn't expecting these until at least February
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Re: Transformers Buzzworthy Bumblebee Discussion

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Wolfman Jake wrote:I thought I had read somewhere that the new wave of Buzzworthy Bumblebee Deluxe Class figures (with Cliffjumper and Kup) was “street dated” for 12/30/21. I’ve been checking my local Targets since, but no luck. Some of the stores seemed to get another round of the Origins Bumblebee case instead! #-o

I haven't even heard a rumored release date until you said this, I wasn't expecting these until at least February


Oh, I could very well have my wires crossed on that. :lol:

Also, checked three Targets on the way home tonight. Still nothing new, except more restock of Origins Bee.
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Re: Transformers Buzzworthy Bumblebee Discussion

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D-Maximal_Primal wrote:
Wolfman Jake wrote:I thought I had read somewhere that the new wave of Buzzworthy Bumblebee Deluxe Class figures (with Cliffjumper and Kup) was “street dated” for 12/30/21. I’ve been checking my local Targets since, but no luck. Some of the stores seemed to get another round of the Origins Bumblebee case instead! #-o

I haven't even heard a rumored release date until you said this, I wasn't expecting these until at least February


Oh, I could very well have my wires crossed on that. :lol:

Also, checked three Targets on the way home tonight. Still nothing new, except more restock of Origins Bee.

At least that fantastic figure is plentiful
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Re: Transformers Buzzworthy Bumblebee Discussion

Postby Rtron » Tue Jan 04, 2022 7:29 pm

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D-Maximal_Primal wrote:
Wolfman Jake wrote:
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Wolfman Jake wrote:I thought I had read somewhere that the new wave of Buzzworthy Bumblebee Deluxe Class figures (with Cliffjumper and Kup) was “street dated” for 12/30/21. I’ve been checking my local Targets since, but no luck. Some of the stores seemed to get another round of the Origins Bumblebee case instead! #-o

I haven't even heard a rumored release date until you said this, I wasn't expecting these until at least February


Oh, I could very well have my wires crossed on that. :lol:

Also, checked three Targets on the way home tonight. Still nothing new, except more restock of Origins Bee.

At least that fantastic figure is plentiful


I still find it hilarious that Origins Bumblebee has the most cartoon accurate robot mode out of all the Generations Bumblebees, despite the fact that he doesn't transform into anything even remotely similar to a volkswagen beetle
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