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News Credits: 440 · by **Sabrblade** » Tue Sep 30, 2014 1:44 pm

Seibertron wrote:Same with Nacelle. Had they used the Encore Starscream mold with the G1 Thrust wings, this would be a really unique figure to add to a collection, but using the Classics mold for the 31st (?) time as a character I could care less about that's slightly above a fan-fiction character just doesn't work for me.

Then you must feel the same about the Sunstorm, Bitstream, and Hotlink toys that we got at BotCon 2013 since Nacelle as a character is of the exact same origin/nature as those three, being a one-off generic Seeker from the G1 cartoon's first episode.

If fact, the same would have to also apply to the likes of Acid Storm and any other generic from the G1 cartoon whose ever received their own toy.

by **gothsaurus** » Tue Sep 30, 2014 1:47 pm

Looking at the molds, if there is another Deluxe size figure... My top choices would be:

Unreleased Seeker (Black seeker with red Dirge wings, since we can put red ramjet wings on Starscream ourselves. Heh.)
Shattered Glass Dirge (actually really want this. Yellow and black looks great on the mold, and it's been a while since we got an SG figure.)
Windbreaker (already have head sculpt)
Alpha Trion (from Scourge mold ala Takara contest)

News Credits: 113 · by **megatronus** » Tue Sep 30, 2014 1:52 pm

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:
megatronus wrote:
Tranzilla wrote:I wish they would add ALL of the Beast Wars stuff to their Generations like. Since we got Rattrap and Takara has Rattle, I'm pretty sure we'll get Primal in the Voyager class at some point. A retool of Beast Hunters Darksteel would easily make a Silverbolt.

I doubt we'll get a new Primal toy; the original is getting re-released with an updated noggin as part of Takara's TF Legends line:
http://tfsource.com/legends-series/lg02-optimus-primal/?pvar=2&utm_expid=10755138-1.B2ZxbBOZRvm2BVhYCLWjsA.1&utm_referrer=http%3A%2F%2Ftfsource.com%2Fjapanese-generations%2F

Direct redeco of BW 10th Anniversary Optimus Primal:

Has a new chest too

I wouldn't mind more BW characters getting the spotlight, as said before Inferno deserves more exposure. For the Royalty!

Yes, my Queen!

News Credits: 3559 · by **Seibertron** » Tue Sep 30, 2014 1:52 pm

Sabrblade wrote:
Seibertron wrote:Same with Nacelle. Had they used the Encore Starscream mold with the G1 Thrust wings, this would be a really unique figure to add to a collection, but using the Classics mold for the 31st (?) time as a character I could care less about that's slightly above a fan-fiction character just doesn't work for me.
Then you must feel the same about the Sunstorm, Bitstream, and Hotlink toys that we got at BotCon 2013 since Nacelle as a character is of the exact same origin/nature as those three, being a one-off generic Seeker from the G1 cartoon's first episode.

If fact, the same would have to also apply to the likes of Acid Storm and any other generic from the G1 cartoon whose ever received their own toy.

You're missing my point. It has less to do with the name they put on it and more to do with what the toy is supposed to homage. Nacelle is an homage of a prototype that appeared in some early catalogs from Sears or Toy Fair. I'd rather have the actual toy of what was shown than have a toy that homages a prototype that we never received. Come out with that version first, then I might be more into this version.

Same with Carzap.

News Credits: 241 · by **Jelze Bunnycat** » Tue Sep 30, 2014 1:54 pm

Guys? TFCC Twitter? 7th Figure will be Legends sized?

News Credits: 440 · by **Sabrblade** » Tue Sep 30, 2014 2:00 pm

Seibertron wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:
Seibertron wrote:Same with Nacelle. Had they used the Encore Starscream mold with the G1 Thrust wings, this would be a really unique figure to add to a collection, but using the Classics mold for the 31st (?) time as a character I could care less about that's slightly above a fan-fiction character just doesn't work for me.
Then you must feel the same about the Sunstorm, Bitstream, and Hotlink toys that we got at BotCon 2013 since Nacelle as a character is of the exact same origin/nature as those three, being a one-off generic Seeker from the G1 cartoon's first episode.

If fact, the same would have to also apply to the likes of Acid Storm and any other generic from the G1 cartoon whose ever received their own toy.

You're missing my point. It has less to do with the name they put on it and more to do with what the toy is supposed to homage. Nacelle is an homage of a prototype that appeared in some early catalogs from Sears or Toy Fair. I'd rather have the actual toy of what was shown than have a toy that homages a prototype that we never received. Come out with that version first, then I might be more into this version.

Same with Carzap.

I was responding mainly to the following part:

as a character I could care less about that's slightly above a fan-fiction character

The character, not the name or the deco, but the character shares the same origin as the likes of Sunstorm, Bitstream, and Hotlink. All four came from a brief scene in the G1 cartoon's first episode:

Note that this pic is old, made before Nacelle's identity was confirmed, hence the lack of certainty on the arrow pointing to Nacelle.

by **gothsaurus** » Tue Sep 30, 2014 2:04 pm

Yeah, if we only get 6 deluxes and one Legend... top hopes:

Nightracer (from Scamper)
Slammer (from Warpath)
???

Open to suggestions.

News Credits: 440 · by **Sabrblade** » Tue Sep 30, 2014 2:06 pm

gothsaurus wrote:Yeah, if we only get 6 deluxes and one Legend... top hopes:

Nightracer (from Scamper)
Slammer (from Warpath)
???

Open to suggestions.

There's no Generations Legends Warpath.

News Credits: 241 · by **Jelze Bunnycat** » Tue Sep 30, 2014 2:10 pm

Sabrblade wrote:
gothsaurus wrote:Yeah, if we only get 6 deluxes and one Legend... top hopes:

Nightracer (from Scamper)
Slammer (from Warpath)
???

Open to suggestions.
There's no Generations Legends Warpath.

It'll be any Generations Legend from Optimus Prime to Gears, plus a repainted Micromaster partner. Let's speculate away!

News Credits: 113 · by **megatronus** » Tue Sep 30, 2014 2:11 pm

Sabrblade wrote:
gothsaurus wrote:Yeah, if we only get 6 deluxes and one Legend... top hopes:

Nightracer (from Scamper)
Slammer (from Warpath)
???

Open to suggestions.
There's no Generations Legends Warpath.

But there's a Legends-sized Universe/Henkei Warpath...

News Credits: 440 · by **Sabrblade** » Tue Sep 30, 2014 2:16 pm

megatronus wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:
gothsaurus wrote:Yeah, if we only get 6 deluxes and one Legend... top hopes:

Nightracer (from Scamper)
Slammer (from Warpath)
???

Open to suggestions.
There's no Generations Legends Warpath.

But there's a Legends-sized Universe/Henkei Warpath...

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:It'll be any Generations Legend from Optimus Prime to Gears, plus a repainted Micromaster partner. Let's speculate away!

News Credits: 113 · by **megatronus** » Tue Sep 30, 2014 2:17 pm

Sabrblade wrote:I was responding mainly to the following part:
as a character I could care less about that's slightly above a fan-fiction character
The character, not the name or the deco, but the character shares the same origin as the likes of Sunstorm, Bitstream, and Hotlink. All four came from a brief scene in the G1 cartoon's first episode:

Note that this pic is old, made before Nacelle's identity was confirmed, hence the lack of certainty on the arrow pointing to Nacelle.

What's a Transformers character without a name or a deco? Any obscure blob is just an obscure blob. Making that particular obscure blob an unreleased G1 redeco seems like a stretch. Especially when that unreleased G1 redeco is a mold that isn't the same as the other 3 visible Seekers.

One of these things is not like the others...

News Credits: 113 · by **megatronus** » Tue Sep 30, 2014 2:18 pm

Sabrblade wrote:
megatronus wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:
gothsaurus wrote:Yeah, if we only get 6 deluxes and one Legend... top hopes:

Nightracer (from Scamper)
Slammer (from Warpath)
???

Open to suggestions.
There's no Generations Legends Warpath.

But there's a Legends-sized Universe/Henkei Warpath...
JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:It'll be any Generations Legend from Optimus Prime to Gears, plus a repainted Micromaster partner. Let's speculate away!

Quoting Jelze doesn't negate the fact that a legends-sized Warpath exists...

...unless you're trying to say that since there's no Generations Warpath, it can't possible be the 7th figure since only the recent Generations Legends figures + partners are being considered for the 7th figure redeco?

News Credits: 440 · by **Sabrblade** » Tue Sep 30, 2014 2:25 pm

megatronus wrote:What's a Transformers character without a name or a deco? Any obscure blob is just an obscure blob. Making that particular obscure blob an unreleased G1 redeco seems like a stretch. Especially when that unreleased G1 redeco is a mold that isn't the same as the other 3 visible Seekers.

One of these things is not like the others...

My point is that they could have called him "Bob" or painted him solid dark blue instead of homaging the Seeker prototype, and he still would have been that same background character since that Seeker's existence is the whole reason behind their creating this toy. The Club made three of the four "Welcoming Committee" Seekers, and wanted to complete the team by making the fourth one. They just chose to give the fourth one some extras to make it super special and more worth purchasing.

megatronus wrote:Quoting Jelze doesn't negate the fact that a legends-sized Warpath exists...

...unless you're trying to say that since there's no Generations Warpath, it can't possible be the 7th figure since only the recent Generations Legends figures + partners are being considered for the 7th figure redeco?

Bingo. It has been stated multiple times in this topic that the 7th figure is 100% going to be once of the 2013-2014 Generations Legends molds w/ a Targetmaster partner.

News Credits: 241 · by **Jelze Bunnycat** » Tue Sep 30, 2014 2:25 pm

He's trying to say that although we have do have a Legion-sized Warpath (Universe Legends), it's not eligible for the Service. Which is just as well, that thing is tiny!

News Credits: 3559 · by **Seibertron** » Tue Sep 30, 2014 2:34 pm

Sabrblade wrote:
megatronus wrote:What's a Transformers character without a name or a deco? Any obscure blob is just an obscure blob. Making that particular obscure blob an unreleased G1 redeco seems like a stretch. Especially when that unreleased G1 redeco is a mold that isn't the same as the other 3 visible Seekers.

One of these things is not like the others...
My point is that they could have called him "Bob" or painted him solid dark blue instead of homaging the Seeker prototype, and he still would have been that same background character since that Seeker's existence is the whole reason behind their creating this toy. The Club made three of the four "Welcoming Committee" Seekers, and wanted to complete the team by making the fourth one. They just chose to give the fourth one some extras to make it super special and more worth purchasing.

megatronus wrote:Quoting Jelze doesn't negate the fact that a legends-sized Warpath exists...

...unless you're trying to say that since there's no Generations Warpath, it can't possible be the 7th figure since only the recent Generations Legends figures + partners are being considered for the 7th figure redeco?
Bingo. It has been stated multiple times in this topic that the 7th figure is 100% going to be once of the 2013-2014 Generations Legends molds w/ a Targetmaster partner.

My point is the same as megatronus ... it's an extreme stretch. The others were a stretch too, but I'm not debating about them. Maybe it's the name "Nacelle" that bugs me, though after looking it up on dictionary.com it makes me feel a little bit better about the name. I dunno. Again, if this had been something special like an actual G1 seeker mold with Thrust wings, I'd be singing a different tune.

News Credits: 113 · by **megatronus** » Tue Sep 30, 2014 2:38 pm

Sabrblade wrote:
megatronus wrote:What's a Transformers character without a name or a deco? Any obscure blob is just an obscure blob. Making that particular obscure blob an unreleased G1 redeco seems like a stretch. Especially when that unreleased G1 redeco is a mold that isn't the same as the other 3 visible Seekers.

One of these things is not like the others...
My point is that they could have called him "Bob" or painted him solid dark blue instead of homaging the Seeker prototype, and he still would have been that same background character since that Seeker's existence is the whole reason behind their creating this toy. The Club made three of the four "Welcoming Committee" Seekers, and wanted to complete the team by making the fourth one. They just chose to give the fourth one some extras to make it super special and more worth purchasing.

I get what you're saying, but I think you're emphasizing the wrong point. I don't think the reason for Nacelle's creation was that he was part of the welcoming committee... it seems the Club is trying, primarily, to homage the unreleased prototype (just like Carzap), but are also trying to give the homage more substance by shoehorning him in as part of the welcoming committee. To some that may come off as super special, but to me it comes off as meh.

Sabrblade wrote:
megatronus wrote:Quoting Jelze doesn't negate the fact that a legends-sized Warpath exists...

...unless you're trying to say that since there's no Generations Warpath, it can't possible be the 7th figure since only the recent Generations Legends figures + partners are being considered for the 7th figure redeco?
Bingo. It has been stated multiple times in this topic that the 7th figure is 100% going to be once of the 2013-2014 Generations Legends molds w/ a Targetmaster partner.

I've seen those statements... I think I just misread your post to say a smaller Warpath simply doesn't exist.

News Credits: 440 · by **Sabrblade** » Tue Sep 30, 2014 2:41 pm

megatronus wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:
megatronus wrote:What's a Transformers character without a name or a deco? Any obscure blob is just an obscure blob. Making that particular obscure blob an unreleased G1 redeco seems like a stretch. Especially when that unreleased G1 redeco is a mold that isn't the same as the other 3 visible Seekers.

One of these things is not like the others...
My point is that they could have called him "Bob" or painted him solid dark blue instead of homaging the Seeker prototype, and he still would have been that same background character since that Seeker's existence is the whole reason behind their creating this toy. The Club made three of the four "Welcoming Committee" Seekers, and wanted to complete the team by making the fourth one. They just chose to give the fourth one some extras to make it super special and more worth purchasing.

I get what you're saying, but I think you're emphasizing the wrong point. I don't think the reason for Nacelle's creation was that he was part of the welcoming committee... it seems the Club is trying, primarily, to homage the unreleased prototype (just like Carzap), but are also trying to give the homage more substance by shoehorning him in as part of the welcoming committee. To some that may come off as super special, but to me it comes off as meh.

Jesse Wittenrich has stated that they made this toy to complete the quartet of Seekers from that episode, and that they chose to base its deco off the prototype to make it more worthwhile than simply releasing yet another blue Starscream.

News Credits: 113 · by **megatronus** » Tue Sep 30, 2014 2:44 pm

Sabrblade wrote:
megatronus wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:
megatronus wrote:What's a Transformers character without a name or a deco? Any obscure blob is just an obscure blob. Making that particular obscure blob an unreleased G1 redeco seems like a stretch. Especially when that unreleased G1 redeco is a mold that isn't the same as the other 3 visible Seekers.

One of these things is not like the others...
My point is that they could have called him "Bob" or painted him solid dark blue instead of homaging the Seeker prototype, and he still would have been that same background character since that Seeker's existence is the whole reason behind their creating this toy. The Club made three of the four "Welcoming Committee" Seekers, and wanted to complete the team by making the fourth one. They just chose to give the fourth one some extras to make it super special and more worth purchasing.

I get what you're saying, but I think you're emphasizing the wrong point. I don't think the reason for Nacelle's creation was that he was part of the welcoming committee... it seems the Club is trying, primarily, to homage the unreleased prototype (just like Carzap), but are also trying to give the homage more substance by shoehorning him in as part of the welcoming committee. To some that may come off as super special, but to me it comes off as meh.
Jesse Wittenrich has stated that they made this toy to complete the quartet of Seekers from that episode, and that they chose to base its deco off the prototype to make it more worthwhile than simply releasing yet another blue Starscream.

Excuse me if I find that reasoning flawed.

News Credits: 3559 · by **Seibertron** » Tue Sep 30, 2014 2:45 pm

megatronus wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:
megatronus wrote:What's a Transformers character without a name or a deco? Any obscure blob is just an obscure blob. Making that particular obscure blob an unreleased G1 redeco seems like a stretch. Especially when that unreleased G1 redeco is a mold that isn't the same as the other 3 visible Seekers.

One of these things is not like the others...
My point is that they could have called him "Bob" or painted him solid dark blue instead of homaging the Seeker prototype, and he still would have been that same background character since that Seeker's existence is the whole reason behind their creating this toy. The Club made three of the four "Welcoming Committee" Seekers, and wanted to complete the team by making the fourth one. They just chose to give the fourth one some extras to make it super special and more worth purchasing.

You and I are on the same page. I think we need to get Saberblade a new bullshit detector to help him out when someone's try to pull one over on us with Transformers stuff.

by **gothsaurus** » Tue Sep 30, 2014 2:45 pm

Sorry I missed that it was a specific lot of legends size. Given that's the case... I guess I might be interested in...

Nightracer (Tailgate)
Scrounge (Cosmos)
Scamper (Megatron)
Zaptrap (Shrapnel/Sharpshot)

News Credits: 440 · by **Sabrblade** » Tue Sep 30, 2014 2:56 pm

Believe what you guys want. I'm done with this.

I'll enjoy my blinged out Fourth Welcoming Committee Seeker knowing well who he's supposed to be, without being shrouded in doubt.

News Credits: 241 · by **Jelze Bunnycat** » Tue Sep 30, 2014 2:58 pm

To get it back on the original query, here's my ranking:

1) Carzap
2) Nacelle
3) G2 Stsrscream
4) Krok
5) Tarantulas
6) Serpent O.R.

What can I say? I'm more into obscure things. :oops:

Carzap and Nacelle represent concepts that never came to be. Even though they're not exactly as originally promoted back in the day, I'm perfectly happy that they get at least some recognition and people get a see a glimpse of what could have been (if they're willing to dive into history that is). To be honest, a cross between Transformers and building blocks? I used to put my Protectobots among my Lego models, so Carzap tickles my fancy a lot, especially with Kre-O set. And between you and me, it's the colors of Nacelle that get me, not the name (which was "randomly" plucked from Exodus) or his bio.
G2 Starscream and Krok are, well... they could have been regular retail, possibly exclusives. Tarantulas... eh, that one's passable. I get what they were going for. But I have no real connection to G.I. Joe, so Serpent O.R. is on the bottom by default. I will acknowledge the creativity in the deco with the fangs, and the head, but nothing else.

by **gothsaurus** » Tue Sep 30, 2014 3:08 pm

Jelze — same here with pairing bots up with building stuff. I used to pair mine up with some Construx bases. Good times.

And agreed about these being decent enough to be retail. Almost every one could have been a retail toy... except Carzap. He looks CRAZY!!! Love that we're getting it, though. Obscure is AWESOME.

News Credits: 1 · by **Tranzilla** » Tue Sep 30, 2014 3:09 pm

gothsaurus wrote:Sorry I missed that it was a specific lot of legends size. Given that's the case... I guess I might be interested in...

Nightracer (Tailgate)
Scrounge (Cosmos)
Scamper (Megatron)
Zaptrap (Shrapnel/Sharpshot)

or....
Pathfinder (Cosmos) w/Space-C (Payload)
Diaclone Shrapnel (Shrapnel) w/ Manterror (AM Magi)

Wasn't there supposed to be a Bombshell coming out for Legends?