ultraimpossibleman wrote:Grand innacurration and heavy mistakes !
Diem wrote:This is exactly the kind of nonsense I'm here for.
Skritz wrote:You know, just because I've got five minutes to kill I'll expand a bit on my previous knee-jerking post about how this didn't seem good. I'm fairly certain it was probably left alone because knee-jerking fans are the bread and butter of this fanbase as we all know. So why am I bummed about Bumblebee and Windblade? Because neither are generally interesting characters and both have been overused as the franchise mascot for, in my very biased opinion, a bit too long. You could argue the same for Optimus and Megatron but they're the respective faction leader even if personally I'd never mind a TF show where neither is a main character so long as its good.
The problem is...I'm just tired of Bee. Generally speaking he has no particularly interesting trait beyond being the young, hot-headed kid appeal character or a generic kid sidekick with no personality who speak in bleeps and bloops. Not only that but he's just been on shelves so long that its hard for me to even care about the toyline collection part and it make me wonder if even the kids won't get tired of yet another yellow-and-black-car-transformers. That and we can assume that he'll be available in all size class and then some.
As for Windblade I'm really cold on her. She's a fan-voted character and generally is rather forgettable in personality not to mention that she reminds me of Rey from Star Wars in that she's the character we are SUPPOSED to find cool and want to be the new heroine. Now granted, its entirely possible Cyberverse may end up a decent show with a decent Windblade which may make me appreciate the character more but right now I can't really find anything notable or interesting in her: she's a female jet-autobot with big wind fans and a geisha makeup face. Admittedly, a pretty unique design but design alone does not sell me on a character. Overall I'm just left with a big old 'meh' on people trying so badly to push Windblade and telling me she's cool. Don't TELL me she's cool SHOW me she's cool and maybe then I might like her. Until then it sound like Hasbro is trying to shove a character down my throat.
As for the art style itself? Hardly care, given I loved Animated and that was one weird-looking show.
Qwan wrote:SureShot18 wrote:When I saw the news article I thought "A perfect combination for dislike and hate if I've every seen one". It appears I was correct.
I for one haven't seen The Last Knight or any of RiD and I don't plan on watching Machinima's TR show. I can't see that pattern stopping with this cartoon either.
Indeed, the premise seems a little... displeasing. Laser Guided Amnesia on the protagonist plus yet another main-character appearance from a character that hasn't done the best job building goodwill among fans... admittedly, aside from the characters involved and the whole 'amnesia' thing, there's nothing actually wrong with the premise and this show might end up being alright. Who can tell for certain at this point (nobody, that's who).
However. If you're going to do a show where the main protagonist has amnesia and is trying to recover their old memory, why not make it more interesting? I know the real answer, because if the main character is Bumblebee then it'll be more popular or whatever, but picture for a second: An amnesiac hero (and I guess Windblade) going around saving people and helping the Earth. But the hero isn't Bumblebee, it's Starscream. Sent to the Earth to destroy it, he ended up losing his memory banks on landing and was found by Windblade, who informed him that he was a hero who was sent to protect the Earth. As he gains more of his memories back, he starts to realize that maybe before he came to Earth he wasn't a hero, but was instead one of the villains. How would he deal with that? The "new" Starscream is a good 'bot dedicated to helping people, but he finds out he wasn't always that way and was tricked by Windblade into joining her side of the war. Think G1 Skyfire in reverse, fittingly.
Interesting character dynamics! Windblade trying to prevent Starscream from regaining his memory, without tipping him off that she's hiding something from him. Starscream slowly discovering that Windblade is lying to him, maybe then trying to avoid tipping her off until he has the whole story (like a chain of who-knows-that-I-know-that-you-know). The two of them eventually becoming genuine friends despite previous animosity (remembered by Windblade, unremembered by Starscream), but it being strained as Starscream's new memories start to push them apart again.
Interesting story! Maybe the Decepticons they're fighting are sent to retrieve Starscream, but as they get captured and put into stasis (I'm assuming that's what's gonna happen) they can't relay the information back to Decepticon command that Starscream has defected, so command starts to assume there's an all-out war taking down their best troops on Earth before they can free Starscream.
Dramatic irony! The audience knows exactly what Starscream used to be like, and maybe even why the Decepticons are attacking, but Starscream knows none of it. Windblade is halfway in between, putting her in an interesting position where she's still withholding vital info from Starscream but she also doesn't have the full story either.
Anyways, I think I went a little overboard but, do we see how an amnesiac protagonist could be done in a much more interesting way than "Oh Bumblebee forgot what he's doing so he has to try and remember while he beats up the bad guys"? (The MC wouldn't have to be Starscream either, but I think his character best fits the story I threw together. Almost like an inversion of Armada Scream's arc, in some ways.) Not saying the show is gonna be bad, and I know that Bee's the protag for reasons beyond good storytelling, but I just wish such overused tropes could be done with a more unique spin.
(Also, if each of Bumblebee's regained memories lead him further him toward a dark and dangerous mission, does that mean his Amnesia is sending him on a Dark Descent? Okay I'll get out now.)
Cmdr. Trailblazer wrote:Octobotimus wrote:got to love how transformers shows look like they are getting lower and lower in animation budget.....wether the story is good or not, the animation looks to be cringe worthy on its own.
What's wrong with the animation? It looks fine, at least in stills. Don't got anymore to go on until we get a trailer/teaser of some kind. Even so, there's not much, or anything really, wrong with the style. Guess it's a bit simplistic in look, but so?
D-Maximus_Prime wrote:SO, the designs look pretty good, as do the animation. It doesn't look that bad. The story premise sound kinda sucky, but we'll see.
I consider Animated, Prime, and Beast Wars to be the best 3 series, so I hope it ends up more like those shows. Beast wars was the first with really good storytelling and amazing characters with good animation (it was the 90's, that was good animation), Prime was probably the best show visually, and had some good stories, though not perfect. Animated is the pinnacle show in my opinion though, with great animation and great stories.
If this show can end up close to any of those 3 shows, it will be good
Henry921 wrote:You can always be counted on to listen to reason, Pryme.
Dead Metal wrote:Have you ever, and i mean ever seen/read/heard something that is completely original and does not copy/homage/pay tribute to something else? Here's a hint: Nope. You never have and you never will.
Didn't help that CN only aired the SD version instead of the HD version.PrymeStriker wrote:D-Maximus_Prime wrote:SO, the designs look pretty good, as do the animation. It doesn't look that bad. The story premise sound kinda sucky, but we'll see.
I consider Animated, Prime, and Beast Wars to be the best 3 series, so I hope it ends up more like those shows. Beast wars was the first with really good storytelling and amazing characters with good animation (it was the 90's, that was good animation), Prime was probably the best show visually, and had some good stories, though not perfect. Animated is the pinnacle show in my opinion though, with great animation and great stories.
If this show can end up close to any of those 3 shows, it will be good
I agree with this assessment up till the comment on Animated having good animation. I quite enjoyed Animated story wise despite the Decepticons being a bland and goofy bunch, but the animation was just barely standard issue for early 2000s features. Cartoons with the likes of Teen Titans and Avatar: The Last Airbender had much more aesthetically pleasing and, most importantly, FLUID animation than Transformers: Animated. The show seemed to run at 10 frames a second most of the time. Very choppy and unappealing, which bogged down its more action-orientated segments
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
PrymeStriker wrote:D-Maximus_Prime wrote:SO, the designs look pretty good, as do the animation. It doesn't look that bad. The story premise sound kinda sucky, but we'll see.
I consider Animated, Prime, and Beast Wars to be the best 3 series, so I hope it ends up more like those shows. Beast wars was the first with really good storytelling and amazing characters with good animation (it was the 90's, that was good animation), Prime was probably the best show visually, and had some good stories, though not perfect. Animated is the pinnacle show in my opinion though, with great animation and great stories.
If this show can end up close to any of those 3 shows, it will be good
I agree with this assessment up till the comment on Animated having good animation. I quite enjoyed Animated story wise despite the Decepticons being a bland and goofy bunch, but the animation was just barely standard issue for early 2000s features. Cartoons with the likes of Teen Titans and Avatar: The Last Airbender had much more aesthetically pleasing and, most importantly, FLUID animation than Transformers: Animated. The show seemed to run at 10 frames a second most of the time. Very choppy and unappealing, which bogged down its more action-orientated segments
Sabrblade wrote:Didn't help that CN only aired the SD version instead of the HD version.
D-Maximus_Prime wrote:I think Animated did really well with animation. It was appealing visually, there were lots of transformations, and it fit the cartoony style the series was going for.
Henry921 wrote:You can always be counted on to listen to reason, Pryme.
Dead Metal wrote:Have you ever, and i mean ever seen/read/heard something that is completely original and does not copy/homage/pay tribute to something else? Here's a hint: Nope. You never have and you never will.
o.supreme wrote:However, is it too much to ask for a Transformers animated series that doesn't look cartoony? That does play it straight so to speak..? I mean in this day and age I know most shows have to be CG, or flash animated, but there are a few holdouts left. I believe Transformers should look and aspire to be the best it can possibly be, I as a kid back in the 80's appreciated this, not being pandered to by bright colors and friendly smiling faces.
Va'al wrote:Deadput wrote:Actually I don't know my mother's name is Valerie so is Va'al actually my mother?
Yes. Now go to your room and don't play with yourself.
Deadput wrote:o.supreme wrote:However, is it too much to ask for a Transformers animated series that doesn't look cartoony? That does play it straight so to speak..? I mean in this day and age I know most shows have to be CG, or flash animated, but there are a few holdouts left. I believe Transformers should look and aspire to be the best it can possibly be, I as a kid back in the 80's appreciated this, not being pandered to by bright colors and friendly smiling faces.
Well their cartoons so uh probably not.
I doubt Hasbro is going to invest a lot in a new show after the disaster that was Prime and how the show staff had huge amounts of drama behind the scenes to the point of not even listening to Hasbro's plans such as that whole Binder of whatever that they wrote and how the Hub pretty much failed (Cable tv is dying anyways), They wasted a lot of money and time on things that never came to be (Transformers Universe is one thing that comes in mind)
Oh and Prime became way to expensive to continue there is that as well.
Maybe in 5 or 10 years they'll have another shot at a big budget Transformers show but for now at least this show and the next one will probably be cheaper in production.
I don't know everything about this kind of subject but there are reasons for why Hasbro isn't making the "grand" show we want.
Skritz wrote:
Was Prime that much of a mess, production-wise?
Va'al wrote:Deadput wrote:Actually I don't know my mother's name is Valerie so is Va'al actually my mother?
Yes. Now go to your room and don't play with yourself.
Skritz wrote:Was Prime that much of a mess, production-wise?
Henry921 wrote:You can always be counted on to listen to reason, Pryme.
Dead Metal wrote:Have you ever, and i mean ever seen/read/heard something that is completely original and does not copy/homage/pay tribute to something else? Here's a hint: Nope. You never have and you never will.
PrymeStriker wrote:Skritz wrote:Was Prime that much of a mess, production-wise?
Yep. It all had to do with a loss of budget and the wackjob in charge (at the time, or presently, I'm not sure) over at Hasbro thinking Beast Hunters was a good idea and practically forcing it into the show. The writers had four seasons of story planned and they had to condense what they hadn't animated so far into the first half of the second season, running through almost the entire series' planned plot in just 13 episodes. That's why Breakdown and Airachnid got written out of the show abruptly without finishing their story arcs, as a means of lowering the cost of their "celebrity" VAs. That's also why there's the "Armada" episode, which literally has four plots going within 22 minutes, all of these likely meant to stretch out across the entire second season. They later wrote Dreadwing out as well in favor of Predaking, but in my opinion they handle him a little better by at least wrapping up his arc before his anticlimactic death. Still, notice their similar arcs. It's a miracle the show turned out as well as it did given it was getting royally ass-rammed.
Va'al wrote:Deadput wrote:Actually I don't know my mother's name is Valerie so is Va'al actually my mother?
Yes. Now go to your room and don't play with yourself.
o.supreme wrote:
So many words I understand get misused, "Mature" Adult" "Serious"
The more correct words to use ought be "smart", "insightful", "thought-provoking", "moving", etc.william-james88 wrote:o.supreme wrote:
So many words I understand get misused, "Mature" Adult" "Serious"
100% agree. Adult means only 1 thing in the entertainment industry: Sex.
Hence why I always snicker when someone says they want an "adult" transformers show. Like keep your fantasies to yourself
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Sabrblade wrote:The more correct words to use ought be "smart", "insightful", "thought-provoking", "moving", etc.william-james88 wrote:o.supreme wrote:
So many words I understand get misused, "Mature" Adult" "Serious"
100% agree. Adult means only 1 thing in the entertainment industry: Sex.
Hence why I always snicker when someone says they want an "adult" transformers show. Like keep your fantasies to yourself
Va'al wrote:Deadput wrote:Actually I don't know my mother's name is Valerie so is Va'al actually my mother?
Yes. Now go to your room and don't play with yourself.
ultraimpossibleman wrote:Grand innacurration and heavy mistakes !
Diem wrote:This is exactly the kind of nonsense I'm here for.
Silverwing wrote:Also, I feel compelled to give the obligatory:
One for each year of the Movieverse's decade strong tenure. Here's to a few more explosive years!
TulioDude wrote:The more I think about it,talking that saying somthing Transformers is G1 inspired doenst mean much anymore.The IDW comics are a rebooted G1,War for Cybertron game is G1 inspired,many designs on current RiD cartoon are G1 inspired yet when you put all side to side with the stuff that came out in the beginning of the franchise they don't match.Nowdays the idea of "G1" keeps getting uptaded along,as the other partd of the series are made.
At the end of the day,Transformers are just Transformers.
ultraimpossibleman wrote:Grand innacurration and heavy mistakes !
Diem wrote:This is exactly the kind of nonsense I'm here for.
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