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[shockblast2]

So what exactly is "G3" anyways ?

Inquiring minds want to know ?

Every current offering from the Generations line starting with the IDW release wave containing Pax, Bumblebee, Trailcutter, and Megatron almost two years back. Its is the current incarnation of the transformers in the toyline. Just like G2 before it.

Interesting - I've not heard the current Generations/Classic lines being called G3. But I suppose it works.

What doesn't fit in that definition though is that G1 & G2 at least had a cartoon to go with it. While we do have Unicron Trilogy, Animated, RID, etc... They have their own lines of toys specifically...

That's because really only one user is calling it G3.

Not true, but whatever you want to think. This thread has been derailed enough for today.

[SW's SilverHammer]

So what exactly is "G3" anyways ?

Inquiring minds want to know ?

Every current offering from the Generations line starting with the IDW release wave containing Pax, Bumblebee, Trailcutter, and Megatron almost two years back. Its is the current incarnation of the transformers in the toyline. Just like G2 before it.

Interesting - I've not heard the current Generations/Classic lines being called G3. But I suppose it works.

What doesn't fit in that definition though is that G1 & G2 at least had a cartoon to go with it. While we do have Unicron Trilogy, Animated, RID, etc... They have their own lines of toys specifically...

That's because really only one user is calling it G3. Most of the rest do some variation of Classics/Generations. (Classics, Universe, Henkei, Generations is sometimes referred to as CHUG, but I've seen some people say that this is actually a derogatory word, so I know I tend to avoid it.) It's all a way to refer to a line or series of lines that don't necessarily tie into any current media and seem to homage G1 characters.

Really, as in a lot of things, it's in the eye of the beholder...

I usually reference my figures as "Neo-classic" despite the oxymoron, because each series is a successor to the next, but follow a similar trend of updating older characters.

[shockblast2]

So what exactly is "G3" anyways ?

Inquiring minds want to know ?

Every current offering from the Generations line starting with the IDW release wave containing Pax, Bumblebee, Trailcutter, and Megatron almost two years back. Its is the current incarnation of the transformers in the toyline. Just like G2 before it.

So basically this whole "G3" kick that you have been going on about is just a reference to the current comics.

You do realize that IDW just uses the toy designs Hasbro sends them and not the other way around right?

As far as calling it G3 based on that rational.... I can think of a half dozen numbers that should come before these current toys. Heck as far as I see it under that classification G3 would be Beast Wars, not IDW.

No, it is in reference primarily to the to the toyline with the comics as its current fiction driver.

Beast Wars was never referenced as such, but I guess it could have been. I think the difference is that Beast Wars had all new characters, whereas G3 and G2 are just reduxes of G1. Beast Wars is also a subline, kinda like Prime or Animated.

[shockblast2]

So what exactly is "G3" anyways ?

Inquiring minds want to know ?

Every current offering from the Generations line starting with the IDW release wave containing Pax, Bumblebee, Trailcutter, and Megatron almost two years back. Its is the current incarnation of the transformers in the toyline. Just like G2 before it.

Interesting - I've not heard the current Generations/Classic lines being called G3. But I suppose it works.

What doesn't fit in that definition though is that G1 & G2 at least had a cartoon to go with it. While we do have Unicron Trilogy, Animated, RID, etc... They have their own lines of toys specifically...

That's because really only one user is calling it G3. Most of the rest do some variation of Classics/Generations. (Classics, Universe, Henkei, Generations is sometimes referred to as CHUG, but I've seen some people say that this is actually a derogatory word, so I know I tend to avoid it.) It's all a way to refer to a line or series of lines that don't necessarily tie into any current media and seem to homage G1 characters.

Really, as in a lot of things, it's in the eye of the beholder...

I usually reference my figures as "Neo-classic" despite the oxymoron, because each series is a successor to the next, but follow a similar trend of updating older characters.

Yes, and that is kinda the ideology behind G3. It is a continuation of the same type of branding they did with G2.

BTW, I didn't know G2 had a cartoon? If the user meant because of the Japanese cartoons that came after G1, that is irrelevant to us living in the 90's in the US. Because they never aired here. So technically G2 had no cartoon driving it.

[Mr O]

BTW, I didn't know G2 had a cartoon? If the user meant because of the Japanese cartoons that came after G1, that is irrelevant to us living in the 90's in the US. Because they never aired here. So technically G2 had no cartoon driving it.

It was the original cartoon with crappy CGI bookends. It still counts.

[chuckdawg1999]

and i thought tfw was pessemistic.

I heard it was, but maybe they banned a few people who have found their way here.

But lets keep it positive. I am assuming Scattershot is a whole new mold. Also, I am probably the only person who initially though they were redoing this guy:

Because the solution to, too many guns, is more guns! I think that was my second favorite Cybertron mold. Just love that hunk of plastic.

I think it will be a retool of Silverbolt. But, you never know. Whatever they do, expect it twice, or maybe even thrice. Hasbro has been doing this lately, and even suing molds from other lines as retools, like Chromia and RID Drift.

What does RID Drift come from?

Prime Wheeljack. Look at the arms.

Hardly. Look and compare:

Perhaps I can be of service having RID Drift in hand. It is an entirely new mold. Where Prime Wheeljack had double jointed elbows that can both bend forward Drift's second elbow is strictly for transformation and tucks away quite nicely into the forearm.

[shockblast2]

I would agree though it would be nice to see a Generations Voyager Shockwave with a darker flare and not as ugly as DOTM, and not a re-used Deluxe of Airraid FOC...

FOC Air Raid was a retool of FOC Shockeave, not the other way around (check who's more game design accurate) and overall not a bad design, just on the small side.

I'd like to see a classics style Shockwave as a voyager, but I'm happy to wait until Combiner Wars is over, as I don't think he needs to be a torso for a combiner team.

I wouldn't mind. I do not collect classics figures, but I would definitely pick up a Classics Ultra Magnus or Shockwave if they ever get around to it.

[william-james88]

Ok guys, just so we get things straight.

G2 was mostly repaints of G1 and not updates on those characters, so I have no clue how that relates to the classics line in any way in a fictional/toy interpretation.
Classics, universe, rts and generations did not just have updates on G1 characters (it has Armada, RID BW and G2, just to name a few), hence why it's not it's own generation or continuity. Those lines all have the same deal of updating or reinterpreting older toys or characters. That is it. No more, no less.
Beast Wars is NOT like Prime or Animated because it is not a reimagining of the G1 characters but actually part of the G1 timeline. As far as fiction is concerned, Beast Wars is G1.

[shockblast2]

and i thought tfw was pessemistic.

I heard it was, but maybe they banned a few people who have found their way here.

But lets keep it positive. I am assuming Scattershot is a whole new mold. Also, I am probably the only person who initially though they were redoing this guy:

Because the solution to, too many guns, is more guns! I think that was my second favorite Cybertron mold. Just love that hunk of plastic.

I think it will be a retool of Silverbolt. But, you never know. Whatever they do, expect it twice, or maybe even thrice. Hasbro has been doing this lately, and even suing molds from other lines as retools, like Chromia and RID Drift.

What does RID Drift come from?

Prime Wheeljack. Look at the arms.

Hardly. Look and compare:

Perhaps I can be of service having RID Drift in hand. It is an entirely new mold. Where Prime Wheeljack had double jointed elbows that can both bend forward Drift's second elbow is strictly for transformation and tucks away quite nicely into the forearm.

Sure, that makes sense. Since you have it you would know first hand. Thanks for clearing that up as it looked very similar to me. And with the way they did with Chromia it didn't surprise me. Thanks again, my friend!

[william-james88]

So what exactly is "G3" anyways ?

Inquiring minds want to know ?

Every current offering from the Generations line starting with the IDW release wave containing Pax, Bumblebee, Trailcutter, and Megatron almost two years back. Its is the current incarnation of the transformers in the toyline. Just like G2 before it.

So basically this whole "G3" kick that you have been going on about is just a reference to the current comics.

You do realize that IDW just uses the toy designs Hasbro sends them and not the other way around right?

As far as calling it G3 based on that rational.... I can think of a half dozen numbers that should come before these current toys. Heck as far as I see it under that classification G3 would be Beast Wars, not IDW.

The toys, maybe, they can be called as anyone wishes. But the Beast Wars fiction is part of G1.

[shockblast2]

Ok guys, just so we get things straight.

G2 had no cartoon.
G2 was mostly repaints of G1 and not updates on those characters, so I have no clue how that relates to the classics line in any way in a fictional/toy interpretation.
Classics, universe, rts and generations did not just have updates on G1 characters (it has Armada, RID BW and G2, just to name a few), hence why it's not it's own generation or continuity. Those lines all have the same deal of updating or reinterpreting older toys or characters. That is it. No more, no less.
Beast Wars is NOT like Prime or Animated because it is not a reimagining of the G1 characters but actually part of the G1 timeline. As far as fiction is concerned, Beast Wars is G1.

True on G2. I guess we have to go with it though because it was officially branded as such.

I don't think you can classify Classics, RTS, and Universe with Generations. The former was straight up recreations of G1 characters and was advertised as such, whereas Generations has become its own entity with the comics driving the fiction, which is entirely separate from G1. The first year of Geneerations was like Classics, but after FOC took over it changed.

[Mr O]

I like Combiner Wars. I have some of the figures and would like to get some more.

[william-james88]

Ok guys, just so we get things straight.

G2 had no cartoon.
G2 was mostly repaints of G1 and not updates on those characters, so I have no clue how that relates to the classics line in any way in a fictional/toy interpretation.
Classics, universe, rts and generations did not just have updates on G1 characters (it has Armada, RID BW and G2, just to name a few), hence why it's not it's own generation or continuity. Those lines all have the same deal of updating or reinterpreting older toys or characters. That is it. No more, no less.
Beast Wars is NOT like Prime or Animated because it is not a reimagining of the G1 characters but actually part of the G1 timeline. As far as fiction is concerned, Beast Wars is G1.

True on G2. I guess we have to go with it though because it was officially branded as such.

I don't think you can classify Classics, RTS, and Universe with Generations. The former was straight up recreations of G1 characters and was advertised as such, whereas Generations has become its own entity with the comics driving the fiction, which is entirely separate from G1. The first year of Geneerations was like Classics, but after FOC took over it changed.

So the recent Generations Leaders Jetfire and Megatron are not reinterpretations of the G1 characters as were the initial universe/classic releases of Jetfire and Megatron? Or are they testament that the generations line has rebooted what the classics line began? What about Arcee and Chromia? I do see how the line changed with FOC. But releases like Nightbeat and Roadbuster and the others mentioned above really feel like a continuation of the notion that the initial classics line had. Would you agree?

[william-james88]

I like Combiner Wars. I have some of the figures and would like to get some more.

Mr O:

[shockblast2]

BTW, I didn't know G2 had a cartoon? If the user meant because of the Japanese cartoons that came after G1, that is irrelevant to us living in the 90's in the US. Because they never aired here. So technically G2 had no cartoon driving it.

It was the original cartoon with crappy CGI bookends. It still counts.

LOL...I guess. The point is I don't recall it being aired in the US, and I was 12 or so at the time. If it did I don't remember it.

[shockblast2]

I like Combiner Wars. I have some of the figures and would like to get some more.

Mr O:

LOL.......that one really made me laugh out loud.

I thought it was straight and to the point myself. Sounds like one of those language translations that leaves out all the emotional slang terms.......

[shockblast2]

Ok guys, just so we get things straight.

G2 had no cartoon.
G2 was mostly repaints of G1 and not updates on those characters, so I have no clue how that relates to the classics line in any way in a fictional/toy interpretation.
Classics, universe, rts and generations did not just have updates on G1 characters (it has Armada, RID BW and G2, just to name a few), hence why it's not it's own generation or continuity. Those lines all have the same deal of updating or reinterpreting older toys or characters. That is it. No more, no less.
Beast Wars is NOT like Prime or Animated because it is not a reimagining of the G1 characters but actually part of the G1 timeline. As far as fiction is concerned, Beast Wars is G1.

True on G2. I guess we have to go with it though because it was officially branded as such.

I don't think you can classify Classics, RTS, and Universe with Generations. The former was straight up recreations of G1 characters and was advertised as such, whereas Generations has become its own entity with the comics driving the fiction, which is entirely separate from G1. The first year of Geneerations was like Classics, but after FOC took over it changed.

So the recent Generations Leaders Jetfire and Megatron are not reinterpretations of the G1 characters as were the initial universe/classic releases of Jetfire and Megatron? Or are they testament that the generations line has rebooted what the classics line began? What about Arcee and Chromia? I do see how the line changed with FOC. But releases like Nightbeat and Roadbuster and the others mentioned above really feel like a continuation of the notion that the initial classics line had. Would you agree?

I can see why one would think that for some of the figures, like Roadbuster, Whirl, and Arcee. But ultimately I view them as a stand alone. The fact that Jhaxis, Waspinator, and Rhinox, among others, didn't even exist in G1 solidifies this for me. Which is great, because you can have new additions, like Alpha and Offroad, and totally disregard prior fiction that would have made his inclusion illogical.

I have been on both sides in my time with transformers. And I find the Classics style collecting very constraining. You have a set of rules and ideologies you have to conform to. With the new line, its all open. Anyone can exist in this continuity, or not, like in the case of Wildrider.

[Va'al]

I like Combiner Wars. I have some of the figures and would like to get some more.

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[ZeroWolf]

So what exactly is "G3" anyways ?

Inquiring minds want to know ?

Every current offering from the Generations line starting with the IDW release wave containing Pax, Bumblebee, Trailcutter, and Megatron almost two years back. Its is the current incarnation of the transformers in the toyline. Just like G2 before it.

So basically this whole "G3" kick that you have been going on about is just a reference to the current comics.

You do realize that IDW just uses the toy designs Hasbro sends them and not the other way around right?

As far as calling it G3 based on that rational.... I can think of a half dozen numbers that should come before these current toys. Heck as far as I see it under that classification G3 would be Beast Wars, not IDW.

Thank you! I went through a phrase of thinking that beast wars would be G3 with beast Machines being G4 etc. Just I made a hash of it trying to explain it to everyone else I wouldnt call the current lines anything like that though I wonder if internally hasbro refer to the lines like that before being named

[Va'al]

Fellow Seibertronian member gema has gone through the painstaking task of preparing a pictorial review on their own blog for the soon-arriving Transformers Generations Combiner Wars Leader Megatron. Even further, they then shared the imaged and thoughts with everyone else in the Energon Pub, and you can view a selection, and some thoughts, below!

One of the biggest complaint heard during his announcement was that his alt mode. Megatron transform into a silver tank instead of a gun. For me personally, I think I can understand Hasbro's decision behind Megatron's alt mode. They tried giving Megatron a gun for his alt mode but due to legal issues, he ended up being a Nerf-like gun (Classics, 2006). So, either funny looking gun or badass tank, I preferred the latter.

[...]

I hated him when Hasbro released his promo pictures but in hand, man, he's gorgeous! Despite unable to give Megatron his G1 alt mode, Hasbro did a really good job giving him G1 robot mode design. May I say, even better than MP-05?

[...]

Megatron comes with a ball-jointed head (wide range), ratchet joint on the elbows, wrist swivels, waist swivels (limited unless you push the tank tread on his back upwards, giving clearance. The hips are on universal joints with swivels just below them. The knees are on ratchet joint and there's small, almost none, ankle tilts.

[...]

Combiner Wars Optimus Prime can be considered a big voyager and personally, the size of these two really works as I always prefer the bad guy to be bigger. But the biggest question about Leader Class Megatron was when Takara posted a picture comparing him (Takara Version) with MP-10 Convoy.

[megatronus]

True on G2. I guess we have to go with it though because it was officially branded as such.

I don't think you can classify Classics, RTS, and Universe with Generations. The former was straight up recreations of G1 characters and was advertised as such, whereas Generations has become its own entity with the comics driving the fiction, which is entirely separate from G1. The first year of Geneerations was like Classics, but after FOC took over it changed.

So the recent Generations Leaders Jetfire and Megatron are not reinterpretations of the G1 characters as were the initial universe/classic releases of Jetfire and Megatron? Or are they testament that the generations line has rebooted what the classics line began? What about Arcee and Chromia? I do see how the line changed with FOC. But releases like Nightbeat and Roadbuster and the others mentioned above really feel like a continuation of the notion that the initial classics line had. Would you agree?

I can see why one would think that for some of the figures, like Roadbuster, Whirl, and Arcee. But ultimately I view them as a stand alone. The fact that Jhaxis, Waspinator, and Rhinox, among others, didn't even exist in G1 solidifies this for me. Which is great, because you can have new additions, like Alpha and Offroad, and totally disregard prior fiction that would have made his inclusion illogical.

I have been on both sides in my time with transformers. And I find the Classics style collecting very constraining. You have a set of rules and ideologies you have to conform to. With the new line, its all open. Anyone can exist in this continuity, or not, like in the case of Wildrider.

I don't quite get your argument. You say the difference between Classics and Generations is that Classics is reimagined G1 while Generations is fiction driven. Except:

-The IDW fiction is a reimagining of the G1 Universe, so you can say the corresponding Generations figures (particularly the IDW-styled ones) are similarly G1 updates

-The standalones you mention are all G1 in one form or another; Jhiaxus is in the original Marvel comics, while Whirl and Roadbuster were G1 toys

-As WJ mentioned, Beast Wars is technically within the G1 timeline, so once again, figures like Rhinox, Rattrap, and Waspinator can be viewed as updates to that timeline


All of these characters are being reintegrated into a new storyline/continuity, but they're mostly G1 homages, with the nice addition of some new characters to cut our teeth on. This obsession you have with framing the argument as your openness to new-ness vs. others' hard and set ideology (seriously - you think we have an ideology???) does a real disservice to the complexities of what the Generations line can be to different people, and how the IDW comics have managed to breathe new life into this old brand.

[ZeroWolf]

To add to what megatronus is saying IDW fiction itself has been referred to G1.

Love those pics of megs, and I agree withe review, I'd take a tank over a gun any day of the week.

[munkimus prime]

I'm pretty excited about the idea of a new Bruticus and Computron. Maybe we'll see something at Toy Fair but It's most likely to be Devy, Defensor and the Optimus Limbs that will be shown.

[griftimus prime]

they should remold this and repaint it to look like g2 megatron.

i will be picking this one up though. not sure about armada megs yet

[Cobotron]

Hey Seibertron! When does your flight leave? I'm getting Antsy!