The Energon Pub

[Jelze Bunnycat]

I would not be surprised to see Pipes show up this year in the Optimus mold. A fourth opportunity to make money on a mold.

Would you be surprised to learn a listing of the guy has been found? Next year though, this year we still have Rodimus (Blackjack retool) and Skywarp (Starscream redeco, as always) in Legends Class.

[william-james88]

Why are you still ranting about that.

Uh - because it's still TRUE? (Unless you can kindly escort us to all the 'big retailers' that are stuffed with w3 deluxes - which are the ones specifically about which I was inquiring...? PS - BBTS does NOT count - normal buyers are looking for places that DON'T mark up their merchandise.

Firstly, you are just using your area to make wide statements about everywhere. And that isn't true. Do I have to show you those pics again? My toysrus is full of nice wave 2.

Again - I was speaking of the w3 deluxes. Where are they? Only at the online distributors, so far as I can tell. My 'walmart next door' and TRU decidedly are NOT stocked with wave 2 either. Perhaps you're the one who should stop looking at your own local stores and assuming that every other store has them, and making blanket statements 'about everywhere'...?

You have to play fair Shockblast. You may have been refering to wave 3, but you did say the following:

The Combiner Wars/Generations line has been disappearing from shelves almost as soon as they pop up, except maybe the wave1 voyagers. The wave 2 stuff is still harder than heck to find, and the wave3 stuff - well, you wonder if it's even out at all. Practically the only place you CAN get the wave3s is through the 3rd party websites and their hyper-inflated prices. Hasbro has still not given their OWN online distributors access to the wave 3 deluxes.

And I was replying to your statement about Wave 2. That is what I was commenting on, and only that. Wave 3 has been hard to find, I am on your side on this but it has not reached saturation yet. From my experience, I think we will only all find wave 3 in abundance not before another month. Usually the stores only get a few boxes at first from the newest wave, hoping to clear their backstock first before having the new toys. Canada has only recently gotten wave 2 fully stocked. as my pictures show, so I dont expect TRU to get wave 3 deluxes for at least another month.

And don't cry wolf about online. TF source is getting more combiner wars wave 3 deluxes in June. If you preorder them now, you'll get them when they come back in stock.

Uh, yes. I know. I was the one who mentioned above that online retailers have them. I believe I said something about 'hyper-inflated prices'? Does that not give you a clue, perhaps, as to why SOME of us would prefer to order them from HTS? Some folks here (ahem) may be awash with cash and well able to afford BBTS's beefy markups. But not all of us. Unless you'd like to start making statements 'about everyone' assuming how much money they may/may not have....?

I did not mean to insult you with this. From my understanding, a set of 4 deluxes makes them out to 16.5$ and from what I have read on the boards this is on par or less than Toysrus retail. I did not consider it a beefy markup, sorry if that insulted you. Due to the canadian exchange rate and insane shipping and border fees, I myself cannot afford to get these preorders so I rely on discounts at retail. So I definitely understand your situation.

As for the HTS talk, you can ask away but you wont get an answer. I was the only person answering you anyway. The reason you wont and cant get an answer is because Hasbro is a manufacturer first and an online retailer 2nd, or 3rd or 4th or dead last. I know that they will favor completing their orders for BBTS before considering their own store. There is too much at stake with their customers to prioritize their online retailing endeavors. I have asked several questions to Hasbro this past year on all sorts of release dates but they always give a non answer. This is not a prioriy of theirs, manufacturing and designing toys is. Anybody can comment on this if they feel I am wrong. And there is no reason to ban you, you do everything well. I just felt like answering you since no one else was. Sorry if I cam across as arrogant in any way.

[Down_Shift]

Sigh.... so where are the Wave 3 deluxes? Only a tiny smattering of retailers had them on shelves (very briefly) and that only in midwestern states. For the most part, all the major retailers are still dinking around stocking movie4 crud that they can't even give away, and RiD stuff that only kiddies really like.

The Combiner Wars/Generations line has been disappearing from shelves almost as soon as they pop up, except maybe the wave1 voyagers. The wave 2 stuff is still harder than heck to find, and the wave3 stuff - well, you wonder if it's even out at all. Practically the only place you CAN get the wave3s is through the 3rd party websites and their hyper-inflated prices. Hasbro has still not given their OWN online distributors access to the wave 3 deluxes.

They will come out everywhere, they just need time to populate. Some places in the US still have nothing but W1, while others have W3 albeit in small amounts. But like every line once they are on the pegs for a few weeks they start to fill out and eventually become short-time peg warmers. My TRU and Walmart both have a healthy stock of W2 Deluxe and Voyagers, as well as W3 Legends. The others will start showing up more often and in larger numbers soon, that much is for certain.

Yes, you can get the figures from e-tailers but they go through much different channels than chain retailers. Sometimes it's better to just keep an eye on your local sightings thread and see what others in your areas find. I know it can be frustrating but it will pay off in the end.

[Bradimus]

Are we sure next year is also Combiner Wars and not Combiner Hunters? I find it strange that Hasbro would call the line the same name for two years yet have the new fan-voted combiner be introduced in a comic called Combiner Hunters, with the toy to be released next year.

[Sabrblade]

Are we sure next year is also Combiner Wars and not Combiner Hunters? I find it strange that Hasbro would call the line the same name for two years yet have the new fan-voted combiner be introduced in a comic called Combiner Hunters, with the toy to be released next year.

Combiner Hunters is a one-shot issue, though.

[william-james88]

Are we sure next year is also Combiner Wars and not Combiner Hunters? I find it strange that Hasbro would call the line the same name for two years yet have the new fan-voted combiner be introduced in a comic called Combiner Hunters, with the toy to be released next year.

Combiner Hunters is a one-shot issue, though.

And plus it seems to be the theme to an upcoming exclusive set instead of a full fledged line. But deeo down, the combiner wars line is still generations and it can default back to just being that if there are no combiners being issued. We already had WFC and FOC sublines for generations and combiner wars is now it's third subline. No reason it cant just revert to generations as it did before.

[SW's SilverHammer]

Beast wars
Beast Hunters (The original name for beast machines)
Transformers prime
Transformers Prime Beast Hunters
Combiner wars
Combiner hunters.

If that's the case and next year's generations line will be combiner hunters , then man, hasbro branding likes adding "HUNTERS" to things.

[Yotsuyasan]

Defensor will be in a Double-Groove, I guess.

Double-Groove is not enough Groove. All Groove, I say!



Tis just a pity there is no Voyager Class Groove to form the torso!

Still no Kickback, Brawn, Outback, Seaspray, Pipes, or Beachcomber. Let alone at least a legends Reflector for army building. I would not be surprised to see Pipes show up this year in the Optimus mold. A fourth opportunity to make money on a mold.

Cough...





Am I just imagining owning all three of these? Sure, Brawn and Beachcomber are the older style of Legends, and are thus a bit smaller and more simplistic. And sure, Seaspray is a bit oversized as a Voyager, and his robot mode aesthetic isn't the most G1-faithful recreation there is. But they do exist. Saying "still no" in reference to them is inaccurate.

Would I like newer figures of them? I wouldn't say no, especially to a better Seaspray. But if Hasbro has a limited number of figures they can do, I'd rather they concentrate on holes that actually still need filling rather than ones you seem to like to pretend exist because you are denying the existence of already made figures.

[prjkt]

I kind of agree on two of those three, I'd prefer to see new versions of the legends figures - Brawn and Beachcomber were OK for their time, I'd like to see new releases (plus the missing characters) in a size to match that of the new legends range.

Seaspray I'm tempted by, I just don't have enough space in my collection atm...

[peaces]

i'd say 90% of the tfs out there are poopy rid or tf4 figures, 8% are cw wave 1, 1% are cw wave 2, 1% are cw wave 3. not sure how anyone can argue that distribution doesn't suck balls this year with a straight face.

[william-james88]

i'd say 90% of the tfs out there are **** rid or tf4 figures, 8% are cw wave 1, 1% are cw wave 2, 1% are cw wave 3. not sure how anyone can argue that distribution doesn't suck balls this year with a straight face.

I will definitely agree that the leftover movie figures are still a big portion of what is out there and it sucks (since its taking up shelf space from newer toys). But I see more Combiner Wars than RID in my area when it comes to new stuff. And Wave three is just trickling down, it hasnt saturated yet, far from it.

[LongHaulLaser]

i'd say 90% of the tfs out there are **** rid or tf4 figures, 8% are cw wave 1, 1% are cw wave 2, 1% are cw wave 3. not sure how anyone can argue that distribution doesn't suck balls this year with a straight face.

I won't argue that it doesn't suck, it just doesn't seem to be any worse than usual. I always have a real hard time finding the figures I want, so I usually try to go with HTS (or BBTS if I really want the figure, the most recent Cosmos figure for example, I don't recall ever even seeing Cosmos at my Walmart). My Walmart just got Wave 1 voyagers around 3 weeks ago, and yesterday I saw wave 2 deluxes, but I have seen very few Wave 1 deluxes. I would have missed most of Wave 1 if I didn't order online. The last time I tried to get figures at a store was GDO HotSpot, and I ended up driving around for four hours to visit the three nearest Toys R Us, only to find just one HotSpot buried at the back behind other figures. For me trying to get figures at stores is just a waste of time, gas money, and a lot of disappointment.

It would be great if HTS was a bit better in terms of preorders and announcing release dates, but I get the impression they just don't want to do it. I think they just want to put things on sale if they have them or will get them very soon and let the other stores deal with preorders and such. I usually just check HTS regularly especially around the time when a wave is released. I noticed that Generations Legends Viper is back in stock (and shipping in one business day, unlike the previous date of 6/15), so I am hopeful HTS will have Wave 3 soon.

[shockblast2]

Defensor will be in a Double-Groove, I guess.

Double-Groove is not enough Groove. All Groove, I say!



Tis just a pity there is no Voyager Class Groove to form the torso!

Still no Kickback, Brawn, Outback, Seaspray, Pipes, or Beachcomber. Let alone at least a legends Reflector for army building. I would not be surprised to see Pipes show up this year in the Optimus mold. A fourth opportunity to make money on a mold.

Cough...





Am I just imagining owning all three of these? Sure, Brawn and Beachcomber are the older style of Legends, and are thus a bit smaller and more simplistic. And sure, Seaspray is a bit oversized as a Voyager, and his robot mode aesthetic isn't the most G1-faithful recreation there is. But they do exist. Saying "still no" in reference to them is inaccurate.

Would I like newer figures of them? I wouldn't say no, especially to a better Seaspray. But if Hasbro has a limited number of figures they can do, I'd rather they concentrate on holes that actually still need filling rather than ones you seem to like to pretend exist because you are denying the existence of already made figures.

The micro legends don't count for anything. All of the transformations are crap. None of them are to scale with the new or classic figures. You might as well have picked bot shot Hound or ROTF Beachcomber in your argument. At least beachcomber would be to scale.

And that Seaspray is a movieverse figure. Who in the world would shoehorn this or the two legends into a deluxe/voyager collection is beyond me.

The new legends line is the ONLY legends line. The one that came before it was a cheap imitation. A subline that had nothing to do with the current Universe line it encompassed. If so, why bother making a Voyager Optimus when they had a legends class one?

[shockblast2]

I kind of agree on two of those three, I'd prefer to see new versions of the legends figures - Brawn and Beachcomber were OK for their time, I'd like to see new releases (plus the missing characters) in a size to match that of the new legends range.

Seaspray I'm tempted by, I just don't have enough space in my collection atm...

They stunk. Who could put those legends figures with the rest of the universe/classics stuff and say with a straight face that they are valid representations of the characters? The new legends are the ONLY legends class that matter. The rest were allowance fodder for small children. The ONLY one that ever had any purpose was legends Wheelie with its small size. But, that is now irrelevant since it will be replaced with a new figure.

[Yotsuyasan]

The micro legends don't count for anything...

The new legends line is the ONLY legends line. The one that came before it was a cheap imitation...

Ah, I forgot. You're shockblast2, the person who defines what counts and does not count as a proper Transformer, and anything that displeases you ceases to count or even exist. How could I have forgotten? How foolish of me. Allow me to go throw away anything in my collection that doesn't fit in with your narrow sensibilities, so that I can then join you on your quest to demand Hasbro make every figure you think needs to be done, weather it makes any real sense for them to do so or not.

[mataleben]

The micro legends don't count for anything. All of the transformations are crap. None of them are to scale with the new or classic figures. You might as well have picked bot shot Hound or ROTF Beachcomber in your argument. At least beachcomber would be to scale.

And that Seaspray is a movieverse figure. Who in the world would shoehorn this or the two legends into a deluxe/voyager collection is beyond me.

The new legends line is the ONLY legends line. The one that came before it was a cheap imitation. A subline that had nothing to do with the current Universe line it encompassed. If so, why bother making a Voyager Optimus when they had a legends class one?

The old legends do have a place, it's in a g1 based collection. Most of the new legends figures are IDW. Also, I'm pretty sure that nothing can be a "cheap imitation" of something that didn't even exist at that time. There are also multiple legends lines, including one that is running right now for the new RID, and there are also legends lines for the first two movies and Cybertron.

[DedicatedGhostArt]

Down_Shift? Just on a side note, I love your profile pic! XD

[william-james88]

The old legends do have a place, it's in a g1 based collection. Most of the new legends figures are IDW. Also, I'm pretty sure that nothing can be a "cheap imitation" of something that didn't even exist at that time. There are also multiple legends lines, including one that is running right now for the new RID, and there are also legends lines for the first two movies and Cybertron.

I love this reply. It was smart, not snarky in any way and also warm using just the facts. Better than anything I could have written. Once again, great comment and I LOVE the line I put in bold, that is logic at it's best.

Also, just for the sake of all the facts being there, the Seaspray figure is meant to be both movie design and classics design. Hence why the same mold was reused for Deepdive in the classics based RTS line.

[DedicatedGhostArt]

The old legends do have a place, it's in a g1 based collection. Most of the new legends figures are IDW. Also, I'm pretty sure that nothing can be a "cheap imitation" of something that didn't even exist at that time. There are also multiple legends lines, including one that is running right now for the new RID, and there are also legends lines for the first two movies and Cybertron.

I love this reply. It was smart, not snarky in any way and also warm using just the facts. Better than anything I could have written. Once again, great comment and I LOVE the line I put in bold, that is logic at it's best.

Also, just for the sake of all the facts being there, the Seaspray figure is meant to be both movie design and classics design. Hence why the same mold was reused for Deepdive in the classics based RTS line.

LOGIC

Yeah, the legends line before, may not have been as good as today, but that DEFINATELY doesn't mean they where a cheap imitation of something that didn't even exist at that time.

[galvatron00]

The old legends do have a place, it's in a g1 based collection. Most of the new legends figures are IDW. Also, I'm pretty sure that nothing can be a "cheap imitation" of something that didn't even exist at that time. There are also multiple legends lines, including one that is running right now for the new RID, and there are also legends lines for the first two movies and Cybertron.

I love this reply. It was smart, not snarky in any way and also warm using just the facts. Better than anything I could have written. Once again, great comment and I LOVE the line I put in bold, that is logic at it's best.

Also, just for the sake of all the facts being there, the Seaspray figure is meant to be both movie design and classics design. Hence why the same mold was reused for Deepdive in the classics based RTS line.

LOGICYeah, the legends line before, may not have been as good as today, but that DEFINATELY doesn't mean they where a cheap imitation of something that didn't even exist at that time.

Spot on everyone I like my Legends figures..I think they go fantastically in my CHUG collection. That's why we call it CHUG right? It envelops Classics through Generations? AmIright? I mean yeah, sure, some look better than others, but that doesn't remove ALL of them from the equation.

[william-james88]

Spot on everyone I like my Legends figures..I think they go fantastically in my CHUG collection. That's why we call it CHUG right? It envelops Classics through Generations? AmIright? I mean yeah, sure, some look better than others, but that doesn't remove ALL of them from the equation.

Yeah, of course you are right. That's why they havent remade a voyager megatron or a deluxe G1 starscream or a deluxe rodimus, we already have those from classics. And if they make another one, it wont replace the other one necessarily. I mean they are redoing trailbreaker for some reason, does he really make the previous Trailbreaker obsolete? They are BOTH generations.

[shockblast2]

The micro legends don't count for anything...

The new legends line is the ONLY legends line. The one that came before it was a cheap imitation...

Ah, I forgot. You're shockblast2, the person who defines what counts and does not count as a proper Transformer, and anything that displeases you ceases to count or even exist. How could I have forgotten? How foolish of me. Allow me to go throw away anything in my collection that doesn't fit in with your narrow sensibilities, so that I can then join you on your quest to demand Hasbro make every figure you think needs to be done, weather it makes any real sense for them to do so or not.

Hey, buy what you want. If you want a midget Brawn or Beachcomber with a crappy transformation next to your real Bumblebee or Windcharger that is your choice. My point is why stop there? Hell, forget a legends Reflector, just buy three minicons from the Shrapnel set and be done with it. Who cares if it the size of a dime and has no detail. While you are at it, grab a DOTM Shockwave and shoe horn that in too. Forget the Generations Arcee, just pickup an animated one. Why did you buy the new legends Cosmos? Just keep the old one the size do a quarter from 2008! Why have I been so stupid!

You say this about me, but you are the one who posted to two different people that you think a Legends brawn and Beachcomber fits in with the current line of figures. So, in your own words, lets recap!

Ah, I forgot. You're Yotsuyasan, the person who defines what counts and does not count as a proper Transformer, and anything that displeases you ceases to count or even exist.

LOL.....never mind the FACT that when you told the first guy this, you said that Hasbro needs to focus on other "holes" they supposedly have. Is that not YOU saying that YOU define what counts and what doesn't? Why? Just shoehorn in a G1 figure that you claim needs made and be done with it.

[shockblast2]

The micro legends don't count for anything. All of the transformations are crap. None of them are to scale with the new or classic figures. You might as well have picked bot shot Hound or ROTF Beachcomber in your argument. At least beachcomber would be to scale.

And that Seaspray is a movieverse figure. Who in the world would shoehorn this or the two legends into a deluxe/voyager collection is beyond me.

The new legends line is the ONLY legends line. The one that came before it was a cheap imitation. A subline that had nothing to do with the current Universe line it encompassed. If so, why bother making a Voyager Optimus when they had a legends class one?

The old legends do have a place, it's in a g1 based collection. Most of the new legends figures are IDW. Also, I'm pretty sure that nothing can be a "cheap imitation" of something that didn't even exist at that time. There are also multiple legends lines, including one that is running right now for the new RID, and there are also legends lines for the first two movies and Cybertron.

Well said. I recant my statement that is has NO place. If you wanted to use them in a G1 collection, then I guess they could fit. As far as the new lines go though, no way. The way you use them, yes. But if I saw a persons collection and they had a 2008 Legends Brawn in with the rest of the 2013-15 stuff AND the person was telling me we don't need a new Brawn, then I would just shake my head in disbelief.

[shockblast2]

Spot on everyone I like my Legends figures..I think they go fantastically in my CHUG collection. That's why we call it CHUG right? It envelops Classics through Generations? AmIright? I mean yeah, sure, some look better than others, but that doesn't remove ALL of them from the equation.

Yeah, of course you are right. That's why they havent remade a voyager megatron or a deluxe G1 starscream or a deluxe rodimus, we already have those from classics. And if they make another one, it wont replace the other one necessarily. I mean they are redoing trailbreaker for some reason, does he really make the previous Trailbreaker obsolete? They are BOTH generations.

Yes, it does make it obsolete if it is a better mold. Are you telling me that you are keeping a 2008 Classics Ultra Magnus over the new one? Did you scoff at the new Voyager Silverbolt in favor of the Ultra Class 2008 mold? Are you ditching your 2006 Rodimus in favor of the new legends one? Are you really going to keep that UGLY 2008 Ironhide mold over the Offroad mold? And I am willing to wager your GDO Springer was kicked to the curb the moment your Voyager figure was in hand.

As far as your Seaspray comment goes, you are just parroting the same thing the rep at Hasbro said back in 2010. The ONLY reason he said that was because they were keeping the line ambiguous to sell more figures. No one can look at that and say it is classics. Nor is Deep Dive. If you really think that then you cannot discriminate. Just forgo a potential Generations Beachcomber and buy the ROTF one. Why did you buy the Voyager Springer William? You already had a GDO Movieverse one based on a movieverse mold.

[shockblast2]

The old legends do have a place, it's in a g1 based collection. Most of the new legends figures are IDW. Also, I'm pretty sure that nothing can be a "cheap imitation" of something that didn't even exist at that time. There are also multiple legends lines, including one that is running right now for the new RID, and there are also legends lines for the first two movies and Cybertron.

I love this reply. It was smart, not snarky in any way and also warm using just the facts. Better than anything I could have written. Once again, great comment and I LOVE the line I put in bold, that is logic at it's best.

Also, just for the sake of all the facts being there, the Seaspray figure is meant to be both movie design and classics design. Hence why the same mold was reused for Deepdive in the classics based RTS line.

LOGIC

Yeah, the legends line before, may not have been as good as today, but that DEFINATELY doesn't mean they where a cheap imitation of something that didn't even exist at that time.

No, they are a cheap imitation of a real legends Brawn or Beachcomber. To say we do not need a new legends of either in scale with the rest of the minibots they have released is strange. Sounds like someone might have overpaid for their shoehorned figure and they hate that it is now obsolete.