The Energon Pub

First-Aid wrote:Are there more reveals today? I haven't paid much attention as I'd been finishing my Master's degree and it ate up a lot of my time.

All TF panels were yesterday. Today it's G.I. Joe, Avalon Hill, Fortnite, NERF, Magic, and Marvel.

Sabrblade wrote:

-Kanrabat- wrote:But that "Arcee". I take personal offense with that thing.

I can see why. Integrated leg wheels de-integrated and now hang off the sides of her legs, genericized face, head details look like they're no longer a part of her face and instead a part of her helmet (like she's just cosplaying by wearing a Prime Arcee helmet), her once slim and round lower legs and lower arms are now bulky and squared off, her once lean ninja-like physique is now buff and rugged, and while her torso is less sexualized and bikini-like, it's also pretty ordinary-looking.

And worst of all, her iconic "wings" are gone. That's like making a new G1 police car Prowl without door wings.

Let's be honest, the "G1 style" for Arcee as they are calling it, is mostly to stop the lunatics on Twitter from REEEEEEEEEEing about how robots shouldn't look feminine. Companies care more about the opinions on twitter than they care about the fan bases, just like Corporate entertainment (like Disney) does.

Couldnt Agree more Rodimus Knight

Rodimus Knight wrote:Let's be honest, the "G1 style" for Arcee as they are calling it, is mostly to stop the lunatics on Twitter from REEEEEEEEEEing about how robots shouldn't look feminine. Companies care more about the opinions on twitter than they care about the fan bases, just like Corporate entertainment (like Disney) does.

Indeed.
And the more I see these "activists" cry, the more I see corporate bending the knee to them, the more I see things for what it is: a genuine WAR against women and feminity.
Men and masculinity were beaten up for years. Now it's the female's turn.

As if they want the whole of society to resemble and think like Cybermen.


"Diversity"

Wow, I didn't think Arcee would inspire such pushback. I thought she was a pretty decent G1-ification.

I grant you that her previous toys were better. I agree with the greater point that the latest stabs at G1-ifying TFs haven't done it for me. I liked Gen Lugnut back in the day and Lockdown. It brought them in without sacrificing their essentials.

I don't think they're trying to appease Twitter. I just think their G1-ifying style is all wrong.

I'd like to say that I don't like this figure as prime arcee, it gets nothing but her color pallet right;

however, I like how they've designed this figure as a motorcycle tf, it's very masterful.

I mentioned it earlier, but how would people feel if this was supposed to be rid strongarm?

Yeah the arcee design has nothing to do with twitter strawmen and everything to do with appealing to those who bought wfc figures in droves. As evidenced from comments on here by people who talk about bulkhead and arcee fitting in with their collections.

ZeroWolf wrote:Yeah the arcee design has nothing to do with twitter strawmen and everything to do with appealing to those who bought wfc figures in droves. As evidenced from comments on here by people who talk about bulkhead and arcee fitting in with their collections.

Exactly this. I think it's a bad design too, but some of ya'll are going on a tangent over imaginary enemies here, LOL.

Razorbeast88 wrote:What exactly is Arcee's non-energon weapon supposed to be? It just looks weird

It's a double-bladed pizza slicer, obviously.

So we're getting a Legacy Menasor combiner, eh? Here's hoping Motormaster is more screen-accurate this time.

Tuned Agent wrote:

Razorbeast88 wrote:What exactly is Arcee's non-energon weapon supposed to be? It just looks weird

It's a double-bladed pizza slicer, obviously.

Haha I see a TMNT crossover on the horizon

Sabrblade wrote:And here we have it, the heart of the matter straight from Mark Maher himself:

"I mean, Transformers, we have such rich history. It's like forty years of just characters from all different, like, universes. I mean, the style and design aesthetics of each universe has its own feel and look. So, you know, early on, John Warden put the seeds in the ground for this and, uh, our design director, Michelino, actually really took the team together and was was like, 'We need something fresh and new for Generations.' So we're taking all of these characters from all of these different continuities, and we're trying to, like, almost like, place them into a universe of their own, which is basically Legacy. And, of course, having, like, a heavy G1 influence because, you know, I love G1, so."

I mean, like, I'm not surprised the line turned out like this, I mean, uh, like, this guy sounds like a **** moron.

Spider5800 wrote:

ZeroWolf wrote:Yeah the arcee design has nothing to do with twitter strawmen and everything to do with appealing to those who bought wfc figures in droves. As evidenced from comments on here by people who talk about bulkhead and arcee fitting in with their collections.

Exactly this. I think it's a bad design too, but some of ya'll are going on a tangent over imaginary enemies here, LOL.

I will refer you back to the original prototype of Model kit Flame Toys made for Windblade and the psycho's on twitter having a melt down over her robot butt. There's not anything imaginary about it.

Edit to add, also the Arcee Statue Prototype from, was it imaginex, that was shown for their high end series. Twitter and tumblr lunatics also complained about her being overly feminine and sexualized.

And I will note it's never been released.

Rodimus Knight wrote:

Spider5800 wrote:

ZeroWolf wrote:Yeah the arcee design has nothing to do with twitter strawmen and everything to do with appealing to those who bought wfc figures in droves. As evidenced from comments on here by people who talk about bulkhead and arcee fitting in with their collections.

Exactly this. I think it's a bad design too, but some of ya'll are going on a tangent over imaginary enemies here, LOL.

I will refer you back to the original prototype of Model kit Flame Toys made for Windblade and the psycho's on twitter having a melt down over her robot butt. There's not anything imaginary about it.

Edit to add, also the Arcee Statue Prototype from, was it imaginex, that was shown for their high end series. Twitter and tumblr lunatics also complained about her being overly feminine and sexualized.

And I will note it's never been released.

I really, really doubt that's the case. The simplest solution is often the correct one, and the simplest solution here is what Sabrblade posted. The designs have been G1'fied to go better with what came before in an effort to get more money. That's it, there's no twitter mob gunning for Prime Arcee I mean we just had Earthrise Arcee and Masterpiece Arcee with no problems (other then bad design work).

Nemesis Primal wrote:

TK415 wrote:Who is that purple dragon in the promo pic? Or iguana?

That would be G1 Iguanus, who is one of the Core Class figures coming that they didn't reveal for some reason.

Thanks man!

ZeroWolf wrote:

Rodimus Knight wrote:

Spider5800 wrote:

ZeroWolf wrote:Yeah the arcee design has nothing to do with twitter strawmen and everything to do with appealing to those who bought wfc figures in droves. As evidenced from comments on here by people who talk about bulkhead and arcee fitting in with their collections.

Exactly this. I think it's a bad design too, but some of ya'll are going on a tangent over imaginary enemies here, LOL.

I will refer you back to the original prototype of Model kit Flame Toys made for Windblade and the psycho's on twitter having a melt down over her robot butt. There's not anything imaginary about it.

Edit to add, also the Arcee Statue Prototype from, was it imaginex, that was shown for their high end series. Twitter and tumblr lunatics also complained about her being overly feminine and sexualized.

And I will note it's never been released.

I really, really doubt that's the case. The simplest solution is often the correct one, and the simplest solution here is what Sabrblade posted. The designs have been G1'fied to go better with what came before in an effort to get more money. That's it, there's no twitter mob gunning for Prime Arcee I mean we just had Earthrise Arcee and Masterpiece Arcee with no problems (other then bad design work).

But you remember what also was announced around the same time as MP Arcee? the Ex-o1 Nicee, where once more we heard the twitter mobs REEEEEEEEEEing again because she was so sexualized. why do you pervert fan boys have to keep sexualizing robots?

We can give you examples of what happened and you can choose to pretend it's nothing while corporations make decisions based off stuff like that.
If you're lucky it wont affect your favorite characters.

OK, thoughts on everyone:

Skids looks pretty good, about what I'd expect from a Skids. And as I've wanted a decent Skids for a while now, I'm on board. Love the boxy little kei car mode.

Bulkhead I wasn't sold on at first, but you know what, he's grown on me! He looks like a nice solid chunky robot, and his truck mode looks like a fun, functional vehicle. Shame he's more Prime than Animated, but oh well.

Arcee looks mediocre. The bike mode is nice (though the robot mode butt ending up right in front of the seat is hilariously inappropriate- seems you really do "ride" her) but the robot mode is a bit bleh. The headsculpt is alright but the torso looks oddly flat. And I don't just mean her lack of, uh, fuel transfer tanks; her entire torso looks oddly squished. Also that gun is TRASH. Might get her to make into someone else, we'll see.

Kickback looks awesome, and I can't wait to see the other Insecticons. Love the front leg/arm transformation. I kinda wish his wings were chrome or at least silver though.

Dragstrip looks really nice! I already have the CW G2 Menasor set (and a single CW Dragstrip...somhow), and Dragstrip was a pretty good CW figure, but I'm tempted; if the combined mode isn't overly Sunbow I might be on board. ("Gee Evil Eye, how come you get TWO Menasors?")

Laser Prime looks awesome and I can't wait to see the Scourge version. Interesting how it uses the ER legs.


Galvatron is a cool idea and I like the line paint apps, but he needed the same colours on his cannon IMO. As is he kinda looks like a... "stress relief toy". Also kinda funny how he has two guns shaped like the Revenge, and then just straight up comes with a model of the Revenge that's more or less the same size as the guns.

Yeah, overall I'm actually quite pleased with how Legacy is looking!

This is the reason Arcee (and by extension, Bulkhead) are designed how they are. No need for pointless "culture war" crap. This is a logical decision made to increase profits. That's all. If hasbro thought that releasing a Prime Arcee exactly as she appeared in the cartoon would give them even more money...then you can bet they would have done that.

While I think that Arcee came out better then Bulkhead, I'm not going to disparage those that want either/both of them. We all have our collecting habits after all.

Sabrblade wrote:And here we have it, the heart of the matter straight from Mark Maher himself:

"I mean, Transformers, we have such rich history. It's like forty years of just characters from all different, like, universes. I mean, the style and design aesthetics of each universe has its own feel and look. So, you know, early on, John Warden put the seeds in the ground for this and, uh, our design director, Michelino, actually really took the team together and was was like, 'We need something fresh and new for Generations.' So we're taking all of these characters from all of these different continuities, and we're trying to, like, almost like, place them into a universe of their own, which is basically Legacy. And, of course, having, like, a heavy G1 influence because, you know, I love G1, so."

Hellscream9999 wrote:I'd like to say that I don't like this figure as prime arcee, it gets nothing but her color pallet right;

however, I like how they've designed this figure as a motorcycle tf, it's very masterful.

I mentioned it earlier, but how would people feel if this was supposed to be rid strongarm?

As RID Strongarm, it would work beautifully. Strongarm is a THICC mamma and as a police bike with those proportions, it would be perfect.

But as RID Arcee, appart the colors there's NO callback to the original unlike Bulkhead who somehow works.

I will admit there is tangible evidence to Support Zerowolf and Sabrblade's claim, and that would be how equally messed up Bulkhead is. Its like the designer decided to take Bulkheads bulk off him and put it on Arcee thinking for some Primus forsaken reason that it would be profitable. I'm sure these two were afterthought characters and the true owners of the molds will show up in later waves. "Sell the repaints first" after all.

As far as the culture war part goes, with the influence and leanings that social media sites like Twitter have, any female character that comes out "buff" from here on out (with the occasional exception) will have the motives for her design called into question.

It's not my claim. I just transcribed what Mark Maher said in the Day 1 video.

It's that last sentence of his I wanted to point out:

And, of course, having, like, a heavy G1 influence because, you know, I love G1, so."

Emphasis his on the words "of course", as he spoke them like that.

Why are we obsessed with why Legacy Arcee and Bulkhead are styled the way they are anyway? Honest question!

Jelze Bunnycat wrote:Why are we obsessed with why Legacy Arcee and Bulkhead are styled the way they are anyway? Honest question!

Because after all those perfect "Mini MP" we got since Seige, seeing PRIME Bulkhead and Arcee being so WRONG is quite a shock.

Jelze Bunnycat wrote:Why are we obsessed with why Legacy Arcee and Bulkhead are styled the way they are anyway? Honest question!

I'm not, but I suppose I get why some are.

Sabrblade wrote:

william-james88 wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

Flashwave wrote:The question is what is the production run on this?

9300 units, apparently.

That is very little. Where did you get the number?

From the TFWiki Discord server.

I've been told that one can apparently check quantities of items for sale on Hasbro Pulse by looking through the order page's code via F12, but I haven't been able to figure that trick out myself yet.

Ah ok, so that's the amount available in the US alone, makes more sense.