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While we did show this image in the news earlier today, we did not have much time to go over it since we wanted to get you the details of the reveals asap. But now, we have a bit of time to go over it and we see that this Pulsecon did reveal all the wave 1 toys afterall including Blaster and the core class figures, thanks to this poster below. We see a Seeker and that is indeed core Skywarp, who will be a redeco of core Starscream. There is also core Hot Rod which should be a new mold, he also seems to be holding a sword. Most importantly, since this was a big question from people, we see Iguanas. He is the purple reptilian face on the lower right. This confirms that this core Iguanas is G1 Ignauas and not the Beast wars one. Rumour is that the robot mode is the monster shell which turns into a vehicle.

We also see Blaster, next to Arcee atop Bulkhead. Now it is still uncertain if Blaster will still be coming out in Kingdom, we still have a wave left, or if his first time on the shelves will be in the Legacy line. But regardless, this is out first look at him in his G1 glory.

Finally, we have a lot more stock images and official shots of all the reveals of today. They can all be found below. And to answer people's common questions: YES Dragstrip will combine to form Menasor, this was confirmed in the panel, and NO he does not appear to have a combiner peg that would make him Combiner Wars compatible. Menasor is the only combiner appearing in the mainline next year.

Some of these are available on Hasbro Pulse, including the exclusive Galvatorn figure, and they mainline toys can or will be avialable for purchase at your preferred online retailer.

On Dragstrip, the G1 toy's combiner peg was on the bottom of the car or Dragsrtip's back. Given that this new toy is based on G1, its possible the combiner peg is simply on his back, out of view. It could still be the Combiner Wars peg, wont know for sure until we see how it combines.

Sentinel_Primal wrote:Overall, I'm more surprised that we didn't see the second voyager and leader, or any core class figures. Is there another event coming up? Cause if Wave 1 comes out December like the other lines, that's not too much time? Or is Wave 1's missing voyager and leader Soundwave and Galvatron refreshes? Cause they don't tend to show off the refreshes for the lines

This Legacy line is not due out until 2022, even with early retail releases. In winter 2021, you are getting the next wave of Kingdom which is still not finished.

Mindmaster wrote:IIRC, either Blaster or Armada Starscream are supposed to be the second Voyager (the other being Wave 2) but I guess they held off on them and the Cores for a later time. BBTS has listings for Bulkhead and a “mystery figure”.

It's Blaster. This Mystery figure **** is nonsense, just reveal the damn figures Hasbro.

Now that I clearly see "her".....



Sigh.
One more pretool for another character I guess.

Oof.

In the last couple of days I made my feelings known regarding Bulkhead and Skids. Now, for the rest that I see featured in this thread. Keep in mind, this is just my opinion. If you like them, fine. It's your money. Suffice it to say I am underwhelmed. It seems that most of these figures suffer from 1 of the modes being subpar in order to accommodate the other mode.

The bot modes on Dragstrip and Optimus look good, the vehicle modes not so much. The CW version of Dragstrip is clearly superior overall. The only reason to get this one is to display the Stunticons both separately and combined. I never cared for G2 Prime, so this will be a pass.

Arcee is definitely an overall downgrade from the TFP deluxe, the only positive I can think of is that she doesn't have the original's back kibble. But they gave her a flat chest and a blank face, which is a bummer.

Kickback looks good in both modes, but I'm very happy with the Prime Wars version, so he's not needed. If you like him, great.

And Galvatron to me is just a waste of plastic and leader spot in the line. But if you like him, good for you.

I'm still looking forward to the rest of the reveals, but my expectations have been heavily grounded. Bring on the rest of the BW figures, and maybe Blaster. Otherwise, it's money saved.

Also, just a reminder, there are a lot of shipping and supply delays right now, in the US at least, due to the inefficient response of the inept current federal government to this "pandemic," so it's quite possible that what we're used to as far as the timeline of new figures hitting shelves will not be the same for this holiday season.

And finally, a response to a specific post by Cyber Bishop from page 40:

You chided some of us who complain about this new line (me being 1 of those), so here's my answer. Just because Hasbro keeps putting stuff out for the "older demographic," doesn't mean we should accept that stuff automatically out of fear that we won't see anymore. Especially when they're seriously dropping the ball design-wise. If this Legacy line fails, what makes you think they will simply regress to making simple kiddie toys, as you said? It seems Hasbro is just taking it for granted that we buy everything they give us, just for this reason. And to me it seems this is causing them to slack not only on quality but innovation as well, especially when prices are going up.

So yeah, as a member of the "older demographic," I am a bit unhappy and unsatisfied with what we've been getting. Sure, it's my choice to buy the figures or not, but no one (not Hasbro or fellow fans) can tell me that I am ungrateful for not validating their lack of progression in design and production with my wallet. And maybe a financial failure of this new line will wake them up to how stagnant they are becoming and they will actually focus on other continuities besides G1. And shoehorning characters from other continuities into G1 doesn't count. It might give a new facet to G1, but so far the 2 examples (Arcee and Bulkhead) have done major disservice to the source material.

AcademyofDrX wrote:

Sowndwave76 wrote:Well I managed to get Galvatron on preorder, but unfortunately not Dragstrip or Kickback.
Both of whom look really, really good.

All I really want are these new Insecticons, Stunticons, and Blitzwing, the other 3 Dinobots, Blaster and Perceptor and and I will be so close to bowing out of the collecting game.

Everything/anything else along the way is just icing

Around the time Kingdom was announced, I thought it was going to be my last line for that reason: between Prime Wars, WfC, and a few figures I pulled in from the T30 era, I was going to have a near-complete G1 animated lineup. Then they announced SS86 and TF:TM Kingdom figures, most of whom I had from Prime Wars. Not only did I buy all of those versions, I decided to get the BW cast too. Now with Legacy I'm purchasing additional Insecticons and Stunticons and dabbling in Prime.

What I mean is, for some of us, there's no exit.

BRB digging through bins to determine what I should unload at the con this weekend.

Yeah, although especially for people who like screen accuracy, Hastak has taken it up a notch in the last couple years...
I don't plan on selling my Henkei Hot Rod, but the SS86 version is hands-down better.
The same can be said for a whole lot of characters/figures. At least in my opinion.

It's difficult to say what improvements and how much better said improvements would need to be for me to feel any pull to replace a lot of these guys.
Hastak has peaked in some ways with a lot of these characters... They are definitive versions for me.

And as prices keep going up, a version that's only slightly better seems even less worth it.

Energon weapons, weapons that combine, modulators, fossilizers, random 5mm ports all over the place... I'vw never been a fan of these types of gimmicks, and they're becoming even less and less appealing.
I don't care or think it's bad if people are into these things. But they're not for me.

I'll wait for the other two Dinobots for sure, and maybe a new Astrotrain...
But I'm predicting that by 2025 I will have made my exit and will be on a permanent hiatus.

Looks like those 3rd party kit makers are gonna have PLENTY to work with next year...

DeathReviews wrote:Looks like those 3rd party kit makers are gonna have PLENTY to work with next year...

Especially to fill in all those gaps on poor skids.

There is another way to look at the price of this Ravage 2-pack: It's less than one-sixth the price of the cheapest Beast Wars X-9 Metals Jaguar currently on eBay.

-Kanrabat- wrote:

Now that I clearly see "her".....



Sigh.
One more pretool for another character I guess.

ya beat me to it lol. but ya, Prime Arcee did not skip leg day. or arm day. or any of the days. agreed with the pre-tool. Not that I needed another Prime Arcee, I have the FE, the RiD, the NYCC, AND the R.E.D. (I dont have a problem, YOU HAVE A PROBLEM!!) but once again, like Bulkhead before, this just doesn't fit the character. She doesnt need to be feminine, but she does need to be lithe, something that looks sleek and nimble. kind of a defining trait of Prime Arcee.


well, that and back luck with partners...

Sabrblade wrote:There is another way to look at the price of this Ravage 2-pack: It's less than one-sixth the price of the cheapest Beast Wars X-9 Metals Jaguar currently on eBay.

Feel like comparing a modern release, even an exclusive like this, to a Japan-only release from 20+ years ago is a little misrepresentative.

It's overcharging for a figure because they think they can. At that price, it's largely scalper bait. Others can justify it to themselves however they want, it's a bad price point for a deluxe figure.

Immortal Starscream wrote:

-Kanrabat- wrote:

Now that I clearly see "her".....



Sigh.
One more pretool for another character I guess.

ya beat me to it lol. but ya, Prime Arcee did not skip leg day. or arm day. or any of the days. agreed with the pre-tool. Not that I needed another Prime Arcee, I have the FE, the RiD, the NYCC, AND the R.E.D. (I dont have a problem, YOU HAVE A PROBLEM!!) but once again, like Bulkhead before, this just doesn't fit the character. She doesnt need to be feminine, but she does need to be lithe, something that looks sleek and nimble. kind of a defining trait of Prime Arcee.


well, that and back luck with partners...

It honestly looks like strongarm, and would have fit better - save for the vehicle mode, which I wouldn't be too bothered by

Laser Optimus looks AMAZING, but if he doesn't have a picture of himself burning down a forest on his trailer is he really worth getting?

Spider5800 wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:There is another way to look at the price of this Ravage 2-pack: It's less than one-sixth the price of the cheapest Beast Wars X-9 Metals Jaguar currently on eBay.

Feel like comparing a modern release, even an exclusive like this, to a Japan-only release from 20+ years ago is a little misrepresentative.

It's overcharging for a figure because they think they can. At that price, it's largely scalper bait. Others can justify it to themselves however they want, it's a bad price point for a deluxe figure.

From the sound of things, some of the other exclusives are pretty overpriced too, maybe Hasbro just wanted them to all be around a certain price point across the board for some idiotic reason, either that or the die-cast components are really costly to do nowadays

grimdragon2001 wrote:On Dragstrip, the G1 toy's combiner peg was on the bottom of the car or Dragsrtip's back. Given that this new toy is based on G1, its possible the combiner peg is simply on his back, out of view. It could still be the Combiner Wars peg, wont know for sure until we see how it combines.

Come on, man, there is a video out there showing all the reveals, that's what this whole discussion is about. And in it, we see the back, so it is not out of view. Before posting about what may be out of view, just check the video to be sure if that's the case or not.

KittenGumbo wrote:Laser Optimus looks AMAZING, but if he doesn't have a picture of himself burning down a forest on his trailer is he really worth getting?

Depends.
But one thing is sure. Pay extra for the Reprolabels and you'll have your perfect Lazer Prime.

https://toyhax.com/

Prediction: Blaster wasn't revealed because he's still going to be part of Kingdom wave 5 with Pipes and Slammer (we can assume it still exists since even the earliest Wave 1 figure in Bulkhead doesn't come out until May 2022), and they just decided not to reveal wave 5 for whatever reason.


Anyway, Legacy is looking pretty great so far. All of the figures look cool, but Prime and maybe Arcee are the only ones I'm interested in buying. Can't wait until they reveal Blaster, he's my #2 want from Legacy after Minerva

These seem like hit or miss.

So my buys from this will be lighter than any other line since I began collecting Generations in 2014.
From wave 1, I will get Kickback and Dragstrip and that's it from this presentation. Might get the cores and Blaster if I don't have him yet. I will get the Lazer Prime mold as Black Convoy simply because I find it fun that the best known version of that classic mold is a repaint, making it a character of it's own. And it will be fun to superimpose that with the other Scourge we are getting in 2022 for ROTB.

william-james88 wrote:

Minor thing: That model is miscolored and uses the wrong head. It's from a Ukranian fansite that colored in the black-and-white models of the Ark artbooks based on various random sources, and slapped on whatever heads they could get from screengrabs.

Here's the model properly colored according to Toei's cel-vinyl colors, and with the correct head:



Also, note the model's lack of upper arms; an error that was never corrected.

I felt honored to finally be able to make Bulkhead look like he belongs in our G1 universe!

I think having an unified aesthesic for all different versions Transformers to be able to interact in single toyline is good,however,I don't think calling it "G1 Universe" is the right way to go about it.

william-james88 wrote:

Seeing Optimus Prime and Megatron in the top...is Megatron the WFC Trilogy version?
If the storyline continues from where Kingdom left off my interest is increased.

Never had a Prime Arcee,might be worth to get her for the collection.

Does anyone else think that both Laser Optimus and Arcee's blades look too round?

Hellscream9999 wrote:

Spider5800 wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:There is another way to look at the price of this Ravage 2-pack: It's less than one-sixth the price of the cheapest Beast Wars X-9 Metals Jaguar currently on eBay.

Feel like comparing a modern release, even an exclusive like this, to a Japan-only release from 20+ years ago is a little misrepresentative.

It's overcharging for a figure because they think they can. At that price, it's largely scalper bait. Others can justify it to themselves however they want, it's a bad price point for a deluxe figure.

From the sound of things, some of the other exclusives are pretty overpriced too, maybe Hasbro just wanted them to all be around a certain price point across the board for some idiotic reason, either that or the die-cast components are really costly to do nowadays

The question is what is the production run on this? I dont like the price either but its not out of line for a Votcon Exclusive, and those were priced high because of the small bumbers, retooled head, and licencing. Ravage doesnt have the licenencing because this is Hasbro direct but he also got a SIGNIFICANT retool. New head, chest, thighs, guns, arms maybe, if they are making a vastly smaller number of him than a retool of this magnitude at retail production volumes I can almost swallow it.

But the flip side is that if they did do that, then they knowingly underproduced what they could actually sell.

Flashwave wrote:The question is what is the production run on this?

9300 units, apparently.

TulioDude wrote:Seeing Optimus Prime and Megatron in the top...is Megatron the WFC Trilogy version?

Toy model, yeah, since they are using the same WFC core toy mold in Kingdom wave 2, along with Optimus.

Sabrblade wrote:

Flashwave wrote:The question is what is the production run on this?

9300 units, apparently.

That is very little. Where did you get the number?

william-james88 wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

Flashwave wrote:The question is what is the production run on this?

9300 units, apparently.

That is very little. Where did you get the number?

From the TFWiki Discord server.

I've been told that one can apparently check quantities of items for sale on Hasbro Pulse by looking through the order page's code via F12, but I haven't been able to figure that trick out myself yet.