Wolfman Jake wrote:For the naysayers who don’t believe Legacy Menasor is a proper combiner, why. Is Energon Optimus Prime all that different? I imagine that the Motormaster component won’t really look like a complete robot. It’ll be a torso and head with spindly “skeleton” arms and legs. It’ll look terrible on its own. The rest of the Stunticons will be the “meat” of the arms and legs of Menasor. Similarly, Energon Optimus Prime is a chucky robot torso with disproportionately skinny and short arms and legs that you fill out with transformable vehicle drones. Is he NOT a combiner? Menasor doesn’t have drones, he’s got arms and legs with independent robot and vehicle modes. Plus, Menasor requires the minds of all five Stunticons to really function, regardless of how they all physically come together.
Technically, he's officially a "Super Mode" instead.Wolfman Jake wrote:Is Energon Optimus Prime all that different?
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Overcracker wrote:1. Energon Optimus Prime actually needs the drones for his arms and legs. He doesn't have arms and legs in combined mode without them at all. He has connectors like the CW combiners. The drones actually form the arms / hands and feet for the combiner. They are required.
2. The Menasor inner robot by definition needs to be functional on its own to work. i.e the Stunticons apparently will provide nothing to the combined mode outside of decoration. Nothing structural really., unless like you say the inner robot is a super spindly skeletal structure, but we don't know this yet. Since all we have seen is Dragstrip, and he comes with nothing for the combined mode, and has no actual combiner bits on his back, the Menasor inner robot needs to be self contained already for that to work. I personally do not really like that approach.
Overcracker wrote:Nothing structural really., unless like you say the inner robot is a super spindly skeletal structure, but we don't know this yet.
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william-james88 wrote:Overcracker wrote:Nothing structural really., unless like you say the inner robot is a super spindly skeletal structure, but we don't know this yet.
Not sure about the arms but it seems the legs are a spindly skeletal structure which is filled in with the stunticon meat.
Also, as soon as this was announced to be a commander class, there was no other way this wasn't gonna be the result. I guess we needed a "hot tip" for us to finally have this discussion.
@ZWolfman jake, I think a better example would be the sixtrain combiner and all those other smaller combiners which do have a skeletal component what other stuff latches on. Not a perfect example, but a better example than Energon Optimus, which "transforms" the same way a Power Ranger Megazord does.
While I thought that was pretty half assed for Six Train, I admit I would be entirely forgiving if those skeletal combiner framing components transformed into something, which is the case here.
o.supreme wrote:As someone who has recently obtained all but one of the original 6-Team Micromaster Combiners, I always found them a bit unusual. It is impossible to form any part of the combiner without the extra parts. Also the 6th member just sitting in the back (not really needed) always seemed odd to me. True the parts all coming together to make their own separate vehicle was a neat little concept.
Stylistically, everyone has their own preferences. I'm not sure if one is "better" than the other. I think the original LioKaiser is a rare example of a fully self contained combiner, but then there are limitations with the feet and hands. CW/UW Devastator I like concept-wise over the original in that it removes one of the vital connector pieces from the hips/legs, and integrated the head into Hook. But you still had the hands as separate accessories, an awesome attempt to be sure. Then all the CW/UW/PotP were really good, even with the separate hands/feet. The major complaint was the weakness of the connection ratchets themselves. How they combine is great, if only there was a way to make them stronger so the combiners would be more stable.
chuckdawg1999 wrote:The fact that the leakers made a point of saying that Menasor does NOT look clean like the cartoon gives me pause. I hope the frame is made of sturdy plastic or there's a strong possibility of breakage.
Mistaken_Table wrote:So we are all in agreement. If you like it, buy it. If you don't, don't buy it.
But I'm 100% sure the people still saying this set is a combiner are the ones who have already spent hundreds on KOs that work the same way.
Can't blame Hasbro, though. If there's 1 thing KO companies are good for, its highlighting what the more ravenous fans will whale for. That's how MP-44 happened. Just a mess of tiny hinges you finagled into the shape of a robot or a truck without any clever or intuitive engineering. If people paid 200-300 for a KO, then they'd pay 400-500 for the real deal that included a trailer.
Enjoy your shelves, be they Menasor or a Deformation Captain that looks exactly like Menasor but legally isn't. Wussy Hasbro won't even redo Magnaboss or Tripredicus...
rikkomba wrote:I don't understand - these comments appears elswhwere. Why is it not possible to give credit to the original source?
Sentinel_Primal wrote:rikkomba wrote:I don't understand - these comments appears elsewhere. Why is it not possible to give credit to the original source?
Because the leakers have asked not to be named in News Posts so that their friends are less likely to be in trouble career wise
-Kanrabat- wrote:Mistaken_Table wrote:So we are all in agreement. If you like it, buy it. If you don't, don't buy it.
But I'm 100% sure the people still saying this set is a combiner are the ones who have already spent hundreds on KOs that work the same way.
Can't blame Hasbro, though. If there's 1 thing KO companies are good for, its highlighting what the more ravenous fans will whale for. That's how MP-44 happened. Just a mess of tiny hinges you finagled into the shape of a robot or a truck without any clever or intuitive engineering. If people paid 200-300 for a KO, then they'd pay 400-500 for the real deal that included a trailer.
Enjoy your shelves, be they Menasor or a Deformation Captain that looks exactly like Menasor but legally isn't. Wussy Hasbro won't even redo Magnaboss or Tripredicus...
Try not to confuse knock-off and third party. The first take an original Hasbro/Takara toy, then either do a straight copy, of remake it with minor or major modifications. The second create their own original molds from scratch inspired by Hasbro/Takara characters.
Everyone involved are in some symbiotic relationship, taking ideas from each others. Yes, even the official Hasbro / Takara get ideas from 3P originals.
And honestly, it's a good thing. It makes the brand grow.
Wolfman Jake wrote:chuckdawg1999 wrote:The fact that the leakers made a point of saying that Menasor does NOT look clean like the cartoon gives me pause. I hope the frame is made of sturdy plastic or there's a strong possibility of breakage.
I wouldn’t get too hung up on the “doesn’t look smooth/clean like the cartoon” comment. We don’t really know what that means to the leaker who said it. It could just be that there is added detailing in the molds, or paint applications, or bits of kibble that don’t make it a 100% match to the G1 cartoon, it it will still be very close, much more so than the Combiner Wars/Unite Warriors version.
Mistaken_Table wrote:-Kanrabat- wrote:Mistaken_Table wrote:So we are all in agreement. If you like it, buy it. If you don't, don't buy it.
But I'm 100% sure the people still saying this set is a combiner are the ones who have already spent hundreds on KOs that work the same way.
Can't blame Hasbro, though. If there's 1 thing KO companies are good for, its highlighting what the more ravenous fans will whale for. That's how MP-44 happened. Just a mess of tiny hinges you finagled into the shape of a robot or a truck without any clever or intuitive engineering. If people paid 200-300 for a KO, then they'd pay 400-500 for the real deal that included a trailer.
Enjoy your shelves, be they Menasor or a Deformation Captain that looks exactly like Menasor but legally isn't. Wussy Hasbro won't even redo Magnaboss or Tripredicus...
Try not to confuse knock-off and third party. The first take an original Hasbro/Takara toy, then either do a straight copy, of remake it with minor or major modifications. The second create their own original molds from scratch inspired by Hasbro/Takara characters.
Everyone involved are in some symbiotic relationship, taking ideas from each others. Yes, even the official Hasbro / Takara get ideas from 3P originals.
And honestly, it's a good thing. It makes the brand grow.
Try not to confuse 3rd party and KO, actually. Examples of 3rd party are licensed products made by external companies like ThreeZero, Flame Toys, Furai and those Micro Machines Transformers from the mid-2000's.
KOs are figures made to fool the consumer into thinking they're buying the real thing. Just because you're buying the KOs on purpose doesn't make them any more justified of a purchase. You bought Deformation Hero Leader because he looks exactly like Optimus Prime. You even have to put a separately purchased faction logo on it so it looks more like the real thing on your shelf.
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