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Sabrblade wrote:At the end of the day, Blitzwing is just that guy who randomly turned against the Decepticons in "Five Faces of Darkness" because Hasbro wanted it to be someone whose toy was still for sale in 1986, when the one originally intended for that role was Shockwave.
It's a recent discovery. Flint Dille's full outline and scripts for all of FFOD have been brought to light. Shockwave was gonna be the one who was suspicious of the Quints because of his being much older than all the other Decepticons and remembering the Quints more, and was gonna full-on defect to the Autobots by the end. But Hasbro was like "No. His toy isn't in stores anymore. Use someone whose has a toy in stores."o.supreme wrote:Sabrblade wrote:At the end of the day, Blitzwing is just that guy who randomly turned against the Decepticons in "Five Faces of Darkness" because Hasbro wanted it to be someone whose toy was still for sale in 1986, when the one originally intended for that role was Shockwave.
Interesting.. I always thought it was meant to be Blitzwing, and then somehow his defection to the Autobots was grafted onto Octane in error. I mean Galvatron gave similar denouncement tob both of them, in that they would no longer be welcomed among the Deception ranks.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Sabrblade wrote:The Octane thing was likely supposed to be a follow-up to this with Blitzwing, but Octane had the newer toy on shelves and we know Hasbro likes it when new toys get the spotlight.
"Thief in the Night" was also produced after "Starscream's Ghost". See here for more on the Blitzwing/Octane switch.sol magnus wrote:Sabrblade wrote:The Octane thing was likely supposed to be a follow-up to this with Blitzwing, but Octane had the newer toy on shelves and we know Hasbro likes it when new toys get the spotlight.
Octane was a direct result of stealing Trypticon in "Thief in the Night" except they aired them out of order. Now, that I guess could be a kludge but they wrote a whole episode and mentioned it in "Starscream's Ghost." Also, he didn't really 'join the Autobots.'
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Sabrblade wrote:At the end of the day, Blitzwing is just that guy who randomly turned against the Decepticons in "Five Faces of Darkness" because Hasbro wanted it to be someone whose toy was still for sale in 1986, when the one originally intended for that role was Shockwave.
It's a very recent discovery. Flint Dille's full outline and scripts for all of FFOD have finally been brought to light.Seibertron wrote:Sabrblade wrote:At the end of the day, Blitzwing is just that guy who randomly turned against the Decepticons in "Five Faces of Darkness" because Hasbro wanted it to be someone whose toy was still for sale in 1986, when the one originally intended for that role was Shockwave.
I had never heard that before. Where can I find out more info?
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
o.supreme wrote:Honestly, I was never going to get Legacy Blitzwing because as a character, he really doesn't fit in my wheelhouse of collecting, despite somehow having the original. (Honestly I don't remember how I got Blitzwing I know I had it, but nobody I recall ever bought it for me)
The toy to me dosen't look that bad. Opinions will always vary. It seems the majority are negative on this toy, and that's fine, so be it. I just hope those that feel as such remember the next time I express my dissenting opinions on a toy, or show, and then go to great lengths tell me I'm wrong, or to stop being so negative, or that I'm expecting too much.
SpaceEagle wrote:I guess I am one of the minority that really doesn't mind how Legacy Blitzwing looks and I genuinely prefer how he looks over the Titans Return version...
and I guess I'm the minority over not caring about the "Mindwipe legs" at all? I WILL agree that I do like the TR version's backpack but for me it's really neither-nor. Maybe I'll have to actually handle the figure in person to get a more solid opinion - I have the TR version and I wanna make a comparison, but to me I really do love how the 'bot mode of the Legacy version looks over the TR version (the arms look less of a mess and he has a proper Blitzy tum rather than a recoloured Megs one), and I enjoy the big shoulder armour stacks. The vehicle modes look fine to me but I can understand people preferring the TR version's modes, albeit I guess we're trading wings draped over the sides with front thrusters to a cockpit hull with butt thrusters for the tank mode - and trading tread flaps underneath instead of a whole turret for the jet.
But hey, ankle tilts and wrist swivels!
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
primalxconvoy wrote:What a thoroughly stupid design decision. As a fan of the original cartoon, I STILL wouldn't want any cockpit kibble if I could help it (although a small purple bump in its place wouldn't be too bad as a small homage).
However, thanks to this super-early review from Tealeaf, I can now not bother to preorder this badly designed and overpriced turd.
I might get this mold if it was, say, repainted as a Quint merc-bot or something else, but I'll stick with my TR Blitzwing, just like I did with Astrotrain (due to the similar bloated accessories, high price and badly designed space shuttle mode on the Siege version).
Hasbro definitely misread the fandom room on this one...
Nope.sol magnus wrote:Question: While Blitzwing is coming in Legacy, at some point wasn't he rumored at least for Studio Series 86 (not that it makes that much of a difference to me)?
Sowndwave76 wrote:I still don't really understand why there's so much hate with recent figures leaning towards screen-accuracy.
Figures usually have issues no matter how they look.
The vast majority of figures from the start haven't been cartoon accurate... At best they take elements from the character models, but in mainline figures, there is always something off.
Whether it's because of compromises due to engineering, or just a designer's own preferences coming to the forefront.
Hell, even when Hastak's goal is to make a figure as screen/movie accurate as possible, there are going to be issues...
Look at the SS86 line... I love it. This line has produced some of my favorite figures ever.
And yet,
Kup's face sculpt is off. Blurr's face sculpt is off.
Gnaw's head in the Skarticon's mouth. The Sharkticon's mouth being completely open at the bottom. In alt mode the feet and leg colors make up the sides of the torso...
Scourge/Sweep's wings don't look animation accurate... The Dinobot molds have a crap-ton of greebling...
Slag's tail was sacrificed to store his blaster...
Then you could go into how certain colors of joints are often times off... Hot Rod's yellow knee joints.
The gray hinge on ER Ironhide's lower torso...
This could keep going on and on and on...
I get it, there are reasons for how these things are what they are.
And this isn't me saying I want, need, or expect every figure to embody screen-accurate perfection. Even relative to three-dimensional converting toys.
But I do appreciate it. A lot. Partly because like I said, it's never really happened... Ever (with mainline toys).
My mindset is, yeah, I want Hastak to push for 100% screen accuracy knowing that the result, the actual final product, is going to get 70%-80% right and/or done well.
And that's fine. In fact, all things considered, that's probably great.
But I think people that are so against screen-accuracy and how those visual elements may affect a figure's parts count, transformation, etc., need to remember that with mainline releases, screen accuracy has never been the top priority until within a couple years of right now.
Everything from the Classics line, to Universe, to Alternators, to Animated, to FoC, to even Siege...
Almost none of these produced figures that were extremely closely aligned with G1 character models.
So those who hate screen accuracy and feel it ruins figures... Well, in that regard, spanning over decades, they've had multiple lines worth of figures that always steered clear of cartoon accuracy.
And if all of that somehow hasn't been enough... Well don't worry.
I'm sure once we get the rest of the Insecticons and Dinobots, this phase will end, and there will be some stupid play gimmick or just a design overhaul that steers the mainline away from screen accuracy once more.
Again, I'm not saying that the goal of every figure or line should be to clone character models...
But the bitching and complaining about figures that are finally mirroring character models is really pretty myopic.
Gauntlet101010 wrote:Blitz is just a mess in both alt modes. Astro is a mess in both alt modes. In bot mode both look great to me. In either case I just can't say it's justified.
Staying on the topic of Blitz, I never got the Titans Returns version. Just not better enough. Looking at it now the tank mode loses badly there too. How can the G1 toy strike the best balance of all three modes?
Sowndwave76 wrote:I still don't really understand why there's so much hate with recent figures leaning towards screen-accuracy.
Cyber Bishop wrote:It all boils down to you can't please everyone (people that scream GEEWON fans are terrible or BAYFORMERS are crap, etc.. etc..), same thing in Star Wars as their fans (and costumers) are some of the worst.
I for one am just happy to be able to by Transformers all these years later that actually resemble something I hold fondly in my heart from when I was a teen.
Again YOU CAN'T PLEASE EVERYONE.
If I have offended anyone with this post good I look forward to keyboard warriors attacking me, calling names and such to prove my point.
Tuned Agent wrote:As for toylines before the last couple years not producing accurate figures, that's really not accurate (pun intended).
william-james88 wrote:Were you hoping this toy's tank mode was as faithful to the cartoon model as it turned out to be.
This is the thing I never quite understood, the vileness towards another's viewpoint/preference, how does what someone else prefers affect you in any way? I don't like Bay's designs at all so I don't buy them, but I see no point in reiterating it in every other post nor attacking a person because they do like the design....
Cyber Bishop wrote:It all boils down to you can't please everyone (people that scream GEEWON fans are terrible or BAYFORMERS are crap, etc.. etc..), same thing in Star Wars as their fans (and costumers) are some of the worst.
I for one am just happy to be able to by Transformers all these years later that actually resemble something I hold fondly in my heart from when I was a teen.
Again YOU CAN'T PLEASE EVERYONE.
If I have offended anyone with this post good I look forward to keyboard warriors attacking me, calling names and such to prove my point.
Wow that's pretty cool. Shockwave is my favorite Decepticon so it would have been cool to see him in that role. Would he have appeared as an Autobot in future episodes or would he have disappeared afterwards like Blitzwing did?Sabrblade wrote:It's a recent discovery. Flint Dille's full outline and scripts for all of FFOD have been brought to light. Shockwave was gonna be the one who was suspicious of the Quints because of his being much older than all the other Decepticons and remembering the Quints more, and was gonna full-on defect to the Autobots by the end. But Hasbro was like "No. His toy isn't in stores anymore. Use someone whose has a toy in stores."o.supreme wrote:Sabrblade wrote:At the end of the day, Blitzwing is just that guy who randomly turned against the Decepticons in "Five Faces of Darkness" because Hasbro wanted it to be someone whose toy was still for sale in 1986, when the one originally intended for that role was Shockwave.
Interesting.. I always thought it was meant to be Blitzwing, and then somehow his defection to the Autobots was grafted onto Octane in error. I mean Galvatron gave similar denouncement tob both of them, in that they would no longer be welcomed among the Deception ranks.
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