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Rodimus Prime wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

Rodimus Prime wrote:And I didn't care much for the PoTP voyager, but at least it had a better looking head.

Yeah, to me, the POTP Voyager is still the best-looking of the the Elita-1 figures released so far. She may not be a car anymore, but at least she looks the part the most in robot mode (and was given in-fiction justification as a body upgrade).

Exactly. I think the jet mode kinda turned me off the figure, because it was a repaint and it made her too bulky as well, even if, as you said, the fiction justification was there. If she had had some kind of larger car mode, and perhaps hadn't been a combiner, she would be in my collection. But I understand why she was done that way.

I'm with you on all of that. She just wasn't Elita-1 enough for me. And that jet mold is not great. Very simplistic, with odd proportions for any bot mode, reminded me of those Gobot reboot toys for younger kids.
Also, the colours and size of the bot mode was off. A tall deluxe would be best, as you said, but a voyager would just not work with any of the WFC Optimus molds.

As a TF Prime lover, that Knockout is just a$$. Yes the original toy was also, but Geewunning that figure is a horrific insult to the animation model. If it were, say, a new character or even Prowl/Bluestreak/Smokescreen it would be infinitely better. But as a TFP figure, it's just insulting.

Rodimus Prime wrote:That Elita is still a huge swing and a miss, IMO. She's too short in robot mode, the vehicle mode looks like a clown car, and her headsculpt is just off-putting. She should have been a tall deluxe like Siege Ironhide is, the vehicle mode could have been accommodated. And I didn't care much for the PoTP voyager, but at least it had a better looking head.

It's because she's not designed to be Elita, she's pretty clearly intended to be Minerva

Knockout is fine. Do like the car mode. Yes I do own the Prime release, and he's just o.k.

Wildrider on the other hand looks fantastic. Loving the car mode, the transformation looks involved but fun. Can't wait for the rest of them.

I wasn't sold on the Menasor idea at the beginning, but the more I see of these guys the less it bugs me that Mensor can just exist without them. They are just so well done.

Can't wait to see Breakdown and DeadEnd.

First-Aid wrote:As a TF Prime lover, that Knockout is just a$$. Yes the original toy was also, but Geewunning that figure is a horrific insult to the animation model. If it were, say, a new character or even Prowl/Bluestreak/Smokescreen it would be infinitely better. But as a TFP figure, it's just insulting.

This is why I want to get RED Knock Out instead.

For people with not a huge knowledge of Knockout, I can see that toy being a great Decpticon rank filler.
Elita-1 looks honestly kinda neat, digging the proportions and weapons, even if they are transparent. But I still feel like she needs some extra paint on the robot and defiantly on the vehicle, which isn't a hard fix and something I have the set up to do.
Wild rider is .. ok? Feel like he's the one Stunticon I always forget the name of More excited for the rest of the crew, for sure, but these new pictures of the transformation and extra angles of the robot mode have warmed me a lil

Personally I think Elita looks adorable! I'll probably get the Minerva version, but it is a very good looking figure regardless.
Knockout looks good, I'm not big into Prime but he is a nice looking figure.
Wildrider, eh, not sure on. He looks a bit clunky. Nice car mode though.

I never really let backpacks bother me unless they're bordering on shellformer levels (many Arcee toys, for example) or if they're just clumsily integrated. Honestly the backpack for Wildrider looked a bit clumsy at first to me, but I was letting it slide with how great everything else looked - and honestly these pics really helped out too! Shows the backpack isn't really getting in the way of everything.

I'm still personally on board with Knock-Out. I totally understand that people wanted their Prime figs to look like...y'know, their Prime selves...but I'm digging the "What If?" and I think he'd be a good rank filler too. A team always needs a medic, right?
I'm still waiting for the inevitable Flamewar retool of Legacy's Arcee figure though.

And I'd rather wait for the obvious Minerva retool for that Elita-1 figure. The PotP was much more my speed with having a nice (to me) jet mode and also being a big bot.

Autobot N wrote:

Rodimus Prime wrote:That Elita is still a huge swing and a miss, IMO. She's too short in robot mode, the vehicle mode looks like a clown car, and her headsculpt is just off-putting. She should have been a tall deluxe like Siege Ironhide is, the vehicle mode could have been accommodated. And I didn't care much for the PoTP voyager, but at least it had a better looking head.

It's because she's not designed to be Elita, she's pretty clearly intended to be Minerva

Then Hasbro shouldn't call her Elita.

To be fair, Elita's cartoon model, being as it is without even Arcee's shoulder pods, is completely unworkable as a transforming toy (it doesn't even have an onscreen transformation!). Now personally I feel like a new Voyager scale Elita that turned into a streamlined Cybertronian truck would be cool, but this one doesn't look half bad.

Rodimus Prime wrote:

Autobot N wrote:

Rodimus Prime wrote:That Elita is still a huge swing and a miss, IMO. She's too short in robot mode, the vehicle mode looks like a clown car, and her headsculpt is just off-putting. She should have been a tall deluxe like Siege Ironhide is, the vehicle mode could have been accommodated. And I didn't care much for the PoTP voyager, but at least it had a better looking head.

It's because she's not designed to be Elita, she's pretty clearly intended to be Minerva

Then Hasbro shouldn't call her Elita.

You know what pretools are, man.

Rodimus Prime wrote:

Autobot N wrote:

Rodimus Prime wrote:That Elita is still a huge swing and a miss, IMO. She's too short in robot mode, the vehicle mode looks like a clown car, and her headsculpt is just off-putting. She should have been a tall deluxe like Siege Ironhide is, the vehicle mode could have been accommodated. And I didn't care much for the PoTP voyager, but at least it had a better looking head.

It's because she's not designed to be Elita, she's pretty clearly intended to be Minerva

Then Hasbro shouldn't call her Elita.

Yeah just call her Paint Job 1 and be done with it

Sabrblade wrote:

First-Aid wrote:As a TF Prime lover, that Knockout is just a$$. Yes the original toy was also, but Geewunning that figure is a horrific insult to the animation model. If it were, say, a new character or even Prowl/Bluestreak/Smokescreen it would be infinitely better. But as a TFP figure, it's just insulting.

This is why I want to get RED Knock Out instead.

Too bad that figure is so big compared to any converting Prime toy you'd place him with.

sol magnus wrote:

Rodimus Prime wrote:

Autobot N wrote:

Rodimus Prime wrote:That Elita is still a huge swing and a miss, IMO. She's too short in robot mode, the vehicle mode looks like a clown car, and her headsculpt is just off-putting. She should have been a tall deluxe like Siege Ironhide is, the vehicle mode could have been accommodated. And I didn't care much for the PoTP voyager, but at least it had a better looking head.

It's because she's not designed to be Elita, she's pretty clearly intended to be Minerva

Then Hasbro shouldn't call her Elita.

You know what pretools are, man.

And I also know what a high profile character is. Elita deserves better than being a pretool. See my (and Sabrblade's) point about PoTP Elita. If both Elita and Minerva just had to share a mold, it should have been designed with Elita as the focus and Minerva as the pretool. My opinion only, of course.

Rodimus Prime wrote:

sol magnus wrote:

Rodimus Prime wrote:

Autobot N wrote:

Rodimus Prime wrote:That Elita is still a huge swing and a miss, IMO. She's too short in robot mode, the vehicle mode looks like a clown car, and her headsculpt is just off-putting. She should have been a tall deluxe like Siege Ironhide is, the vehicle mode could have been accommodated. And I didn't care much for the PoTP voyager, but at least it had a better looking head.

It's because she's not designed to be Elita, she's pretty clearly intended to be Minerva

Then Hasbro shouldn't call her Elita.

You know what pretools are, man.

And I also know what a high profile character is. Elita deserves better than being a pretool. See my (and Sabrblade's) point about PoTP Elita. If both Elita and Minerva just had to share a mold, it should have been designed with Elita as the focus and Minerva as the pretool. My opinion only, of course.

Honestly, judging from their presentation, Elita was not at all described as a protocol of any kind. Clearly, molds are designed for multiple usages, but getting to this particular mold seems to have been through designing her first. And the alt mode does have a G1 influence.

Rodimus Prime wrote:

sol magnus wrote:

Rodimus Prime wrote:

Autobot N wrote:

Rodimus Prime wrote:That Elita is still a huge swing and a miss, IMO. She's too short in robot mode, the vehicle mode looks like a clown car, and her headsculpt is just off-putting. She should have been a tall deluxe like Siege Ironhide is, the vehicle mode could have been accommodated. And I didn't care much for the PoTP voyager, but at least it had a better looking head.

It's because she's not designed to be Elita, she's pretty clearly intended to be Minerva

Then Hasbro shouldn't call her Elita.

You know what pretools are, man.

And I also know what a high profile character is. Elita deserves better than being a pretool. See my (and Sabrblade's) point about PoTP Elita. If both Elita and Minerva just had to share a mold, it should have been designed with Elita as the focus and Minerva as the pretool. My opinion only, of course.

I don't entirely disagree. It's weird to make it Minerva first and foremost when she isn't even a retail figure, she's an exclusive. And it isn't a particularly great Minerva mold to begin with either. It really should have been Elita-1 first, she's never been the prime use of a mold and deserves as much far more than Minerva, especially if she isn't going to be a Headmaster. But to be honest I think it's an alright version of Elita-1, especially if you don't extend the shoulder parts like we initially saw in the reveal stream. I guess we'll know in a few months just how much of Elita-1 will stick around in the Minerva release.

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While many come to Seibertron for the latest Transformers news, we also have a message board where many fans share their love and criticism of all things Transformers (and you are all welcome to join in on the fun). Lately there has been discussion on the Legacy Elita-1 toy coming out next and on its legitimacy as a mold for Elita-1 herself or a mold made with someone else in mind. While all molds are made with multiple uses in mind, and there being some solid rumours of Elita-1's mold being reused for Minerva, a recent deep dive into the design process does give us a big hint that Elita-1's mold was made for her first and foremost (at least, it reads that way). In a recent Instagram post, Mark Maher, the lead Transformers designer at Hasbro, write about how difficult the design process was for this particular toy since so many people wanted various aspects, and he shows some different designs. One of them looks a lot like Alex Milne's design for Arcee in the TF vs Terminator comic for instance. We see some changes in the car mode as well, with the tires.

We also see some images of the sample figure in the two different backpack configurations.

[quote="Rodimus Prime"And I also know what a high profile character is. [/quote]


Yep, 6 minutes of TOTAL screen time in a single episode of a series that ran 4 seasons and was never seen again after that. Totally high profile. It's like naming the Underminer the a main character of the first "Incredibles" movie.

First-Aid wrote:

Rodimus Prime wrote:And I also know what a high profile character is.

Yep, 6 minutes of TOTAL screen time in a single episode of a series that ran 4 seasons and was never seen again after that. Totally high profile. It's like naming the Underminer the a main character of the first "Incredibles" movie.

Being heavily connected to a high profile character is all it takes. Look at Roller!

The first design is weird... Elita One is too (Muscualar? Fat? I dunno) And the size of those *breasts* is sus. I think Elita One turned out fine the way she is now.

First-Aid wrote:[quote="Rodimus Prime"And I also know what a high profile character is.

Yep, 6 minutes of TOTAL screen time in a single episode of a series that ran 4 seasons and was never seen again after that. Totally high profile. It's like naming the Underminer the a main character of the first "Incredibles" movie.[/quote]


It's unintentional, Cheetor has that strange hinge too. They just wanted to show that he can acually sit on the thone

And whats with the h-2-228 on Elita? Looked it up and it's https://www.google.com/search?q=h+2+228&oq=h+2+228&aqs=chrome..69i57j0i546l3.2769j0j9&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

Evil Eye wrote:To be fair, Elita's cartoon model, being as it is without even Arcee's shoulder pods, is completely unworkable as a transforming toy (it doesn't even have an onscreen transformation!). Now personally I feel like a new Voyager scale Elita that turned into a streamlined Cybertronian truck would be cool, but this one doesn't look half bad.

I've seen concepts of truck Elita, but it seems lazy. She should be her own charecter, not just female optimus prime!

RodimusPrimeUkraine1 wrote:And whats with the h-2-228 on Elita? Looked it up and it's https://www.google.com/search?q=h+2+228&oq=h+2+228&aqs=chrome..69i57j0i546l3.2769j0j9&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

That's probably the ID number for the test shot, it won't be on the final release.