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It was said that a box set is possible, but that's all. Nothing definite either way.Sentinel_Primal wrote:I don't really have an opinion on the idea of a boxset for Menasor, but if it's the only way to get the G2 colors, I'm inAlso, didn't one of the designers say there are no plans to release a box set of Stunticons?
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
AcademyofDrX wrote:We don't have to invent a target market and then filter all product options through that idealized end. In the last few years Hasbro has released, and continues to release, a couple dozen products at $150 or more. They may be retailer or online exclusives, and there's only a handful each year, but there's enough of a market that they keep making them. Lego releases more than a dozen sets at that price point annually, including sets in their lines that target children. Usually those top out at $150, with $170 and higher marketed primarily to adults.
I'm not debating if Generations is for kids or adults anymore, as that misses the point: the products target both markets. What I still argue about is whether adults (and rich parents, I guess) buy enough high-priced toys to make them profitable. Based on the continued sale of these toys from Hasbro, Lego, and other toy companies, there's an obvious answer: yes.
(As an aside, we're likely headed into a period of slowing economic activity, and more expensive optional purchases tend to suffer in that environment. So things could change in the near future, but for right now, I don't think there's any debate .)
Sowndwave76 wrote:AcademyofDrX wrote:We don't have to invent a target market and then filter all product options through that idealized end. In the last few years Hasbro has released, and continues to release, a couple dozen products at $150 or more. They may be retailer or online exclusives, and there's only a handful each year, but there's enough of a market that they keep making them. Lego releases more than a dozen sets at that price point annually, including sets in their lines that target children. Usually those top out at $150, with $170 and higher marketed primarily to adults.
I'm not debating if Generations is for kids or adults anymore, as that misses the point: the products target both markets. What I still argue about is whether adults (and rich parents, I guess) buy enough high-priced toys to make them profitable. Based on the continued sale of these toys from Hasbro, Lego, and other toy companies, there's an obvious answer: yes.
(As an aside, we're likely headed into a period of slowing economic activity, and more expensive optional purchases tend to suffer in that environment. So things could change in the near future, but for right now, I don't think there's any debate .)
No one's trying to invent a target market.
Show me the list of a couple dozen mainline, mass retailed TF figures from the last 3 years, each being originally priced at $150-$200.
Were there even a handful (5-7) of exclusive (and non-MP) figures that cost $150+ in the last 3 years?
That number/cost, $200, was an important part of my point.
Based on what I actually said, no, Hastak hasn't done such releases dozens of times in the past, so it's an assumption about how any sales involving a $200 price tag are going to pan-out. There isn't an obvious 'yes'.
AcademyofDrX wrote:I was a couple replies deep so I missed some of the finer points like emphasizing mass retail late in the post, and if you're excluding Masterpiece and Haslab, then the number of more expensive Transformers drops. Rereading your post, reading mine, and your reply, there's probably more agreement between us than not, we're just emphasizing different things.
The broader point I'm making including Lego is, "will kids or parents buy this" is not the definitive question in whether a toy company puts something out. That's why we have a $170 Optimus Prime Lego set and $300+ Hasbro lightsabers. Will we get a $200 Menasor set? Are there enough adult collectors and rich parents to mean that will be at Target? I can't speak to that, maybe not, maybe even probably not, so I'm not really rebutting that point. I just think the "will kids buy this" mindset is increasingly outdated, and while it's still a big part of the equation, it's not the only important value.
Sowndwave76 wrote:AcademyofDrX wrote:I was a couple replies deep so I missed some of the finer points like emphasizing mass retail late in the post, and if you're excluding Masterpiece and Haslab, then the number of more expensive Transformers drops. Rereading your post, reading mine, and your reply, there's probably more agreement between us than not, we're just emphasizing different things.
The broader point I'm making including Lego is, "will kids or parents buy this" is not the definitive question in whether a toy company puts something out. That's why we have a $170 Optimus Prime Lego set and $300+ Hasbro lightsabers. Will we get a $200 Menasor set? Are there enough adult collectors and rich parents to mean that will be at Target? I can't speak to that, maybe not, maybe even probably not, so I'm not really rebutting that point. I just think the "will kids buy this" mindset is increasingly outdated, and while it's still a big part of the equation, it's not the only important value.
Yeah, I don't mind that you brought up Lego, however, there are probably some major differences...
The number of series/themes for Lego far outweighs the TF offerings... And going a step further, that includes product across all types... Books, clothing, accessories, movies, etc...
I point this out because you know this probably 1,000x more than me, that Lego is huge.
So they have more wiggle room when it comes to releasing a $170 AT-AT set.
Or even in the realm of those Expert/Ideas sets... Those can get super pricy... But for that company as a whole, between x number of Mini-figure series, $10, $20, $30, $40, $50, so on and so on price options of sets, it may be fair to say that Lego is in a different league...
Whereas 1 Titan class release within the realm of TF is much
Seems like Hastak does focus on kids... Now, we completely agree (as far as I remember) that Hastak caters to collectors and fans more than they'll ever admit...
But yeah, I get and agree with your first point of your last post... While I think it's prioritized to at least some higher degree, "will kids and/or parents buy this" may not be the main motivation for choosing to release specific products.
Such is the nature of Internet debates.ZeroWolf wrote:I'm not even sure what the point being discussed is.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
william-james88 wrote:I think comparing transformers toys to lego products is like comparing apples to oranges. Lego is a system, not an individual toy. It's like comparing Transformers to a video game release or a subscription to Netflix for your kids.
Transformers isn't this and will never be that. Let's compare them to action figures and playsets instead.
Emerje wrote:But isn't the only reason we got the SS box set because the Constructicons were released over such a long time that it made some figures harder to find for latecomers? And even then they added some sand decos to change it up slightly. I don't think Drag Strip will be particularly hard to get at the end of the year making a straight box set pointless. At best I could see a G2 set, but that's it.
Emerje
Where?william-james88 wrote:The juxtaposition between Wildrider and "Brakeneck"
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Sabrblade wrote:Where?william-james88 wrote:The juxtaposition between Wildrider and "Brakeneck"
Yeah, to me, the POTP Voyager is still the best-looking of the the Elita-1 figures released so far. She may not be a car anymore, but at least she looks the part the most in robot mode (and was given in-fiction justification as a body upgrade).Rodimus Prime wrote:And I didn't care much for the PoTP voyager, but at least it had a better looking head.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Exactly. I think the jet mode kinda turned me off the figure, because it was a repaint and it made her too bulky as well, even if, as you said, the fiction justification was there. If she had had some kind of larger car mode, and perhaps hadn't been a combiner, she would be in my collection. But I understand why she was done that way.Sabrblade wrote:Yeah, to me, the POTP Voyager is still the best-looking of the the Elita-1 figures released so far. She may not be a car anymore, but at least she looks the part the most in robot mode (and was given in-fiction justification as a body upgrade).Rodimus Prime wrote:And I didn't care much for the PoTP voyager, but at least it had a better looking head.
Personally, I think she wears the mold better than who it was made for. The Starscream version is very lousy.Rodimus Prime wrote:Exactly. I think the jet mode kinda turned me off the figure, because it was a repaint and it made her too bulky as well, even if, as you said, the fiction justification was there. If she had had some kind of larger car mode, and perhaps hadn't been a combiner, she would be in my collection. But I understand why she was done that way.Sabrblade wrote:Yeah, to me, the POTP Voyager is still the best-looking of the the Elita-1 figures released so far. She may not be a car anymore, but at least she looks the part the most in robot mode (and was given in-fiction justification as a body upgrade).Rodimus Prime wrote:And I didn't care much for the PoTP voyager, but at least it had a better looking head.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Rodimus Prime wrote:That Elita is still a huge swing and a miss, IMO. She's too short in robot mode, the vehicle mode looks like a clown car, and her headsculpt is just off-putting. She should have been a tall deluxe like Siege Ironhide is, the vehicle mode could have been accommodated. And I didn't care much for the PoTP voyager, but at least it had a better looking head.
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