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ZeroWolf wrote:-Kanrabat- wrote:Nuclearxpotato wrote:-Evan mentioned that Menasor's lack of Scramble City compatibility/limbs being dedicated to just Menasor has been well-received and they are keeping that in mind for future potential combiners
I don't see why the Scramble City gimmick can't be used on the new combiner design. The deluxe "limbs" simply ride the torso's skeleton so like the original concept, the deluxes could ride any skeleton on any limbs.
In case of the arms, the deluxe would have to split apart.
-Kanrabat- wrote:ZeroWolf wrote:-Kanrabat- wrote:Nuclearxpotato wrote:-Evan mentioned that Menasor's lack of Scramble City compatibility/limbs being dedicated to just Menasor has been well-received and they are keeping that in mind for future potential combiners
I don't see why the Scramble City gimmick can't be used on the new combiner design. The deluxe "limbs" simply ride the torso's skeleton so like the original concept, the deluxes could ride any skeleton on any limbs.
In case of the arms, the deluxe would have to split apart.
Can legs bots split appart?
If yes, all limbs bots are "scramble city". If not, that's a weird design choice.
ZeroWolf wrote:I don't think they can
Rodimus Prime wrote:Well I for 1 think it's a good idea for each combiner to be unique. I was never a big fan of the scramble concept, even if it was fun to mix up limbs.
DeathReviews wrote:And why should Cartoon Network be 'keeping the rights' to it anyway? It's not like they've DONE anything with it for the last 10 years. They're not even re-running the episodes anywhere for cryin' out loud...
-Kanrabat- wrote:DeathReviews wrote:And why should Cartoon Network be 'keeping the rights' to it anyway? It's not like they've DONE anything with it for the last 10 years. They're not even re-running the episodes anywhere for cryin' out loud...
Copyrights holders sit on their rights like dragons sleep on their gold piles. They don't do anything with it, but they will ROAR if any hand that is not their own gets close to their treasure.
-Kanrabat- wrote:ZeroWolf wrote:I don't think they can
This needs to be double-checked to make sure.
In this case, however, Cartoon Network does not have a horse in this race:ZeroWolf wrote:-Kanrabat- wrote:DeathReviews wrote:And why should Cartoon Network be 'keeping the rights' to it anyway? It's not like they've DONE anything with it for the last 10 years. They're not even re-running the episodes anywhere for cryin' out loud...
Copyrights holders sit on their rights like dragons sleep on their gold piles. They don't do anything with it, but they will ROAR if any hand that is not their own gets close to their treasure.
Harmony Gold springs to mind (though at least they've turned a corner now)
While not rooted in any specific source, there has been a longstanding misconception that because they produced the cartoon and collaborated with Hasbro on the toy designs, Cartoon Network maintains partial (if not complete) ownership over the character designs in Transformers Animated, and is thus the reason why no new toys of the characters have been released in years.
In truth, Hasbro owns Animated lock, stock, and barrel. A quick glance at the legal jargon on the back of any Animated toy packaging will show Hasbro as the sole copyright holder listed. In fact, the only legalese mentioning Cartoon Network is the trademark for their own name and logo, due to printing "AS SEEN ON CN!" on the box. A handful of Animated toys were also released after the show ended via Fun Publications, which also listed Hasbro as the sole copyright holder. Furthermore, toys of several Animated characters were also sold under different Transformers toylines concurrently with the Animated line itself, such as the Legends Class Optimus Prime, Bumblebee, Prowl and Starscream sold under the 2008 Universe line, or the Deluxe Class Bumblebee sold as part of the 2007 Transformers movie toyline's "The Legacy of Bumblebee" three-pack. Again, Cartoon Network is mentioned nowhere on the packaging. Similarly, Cartoon Network goes unmentioned in the copyrights for other merchandise like DVDs and tie-in comics. In Japan, the Animated Blackarachnia toy was even retooled years after Animated ended to create the Legends toy for Beast Wars Blackarachnia, again with no mention of Cartoon Network anywhere.
The only place you'll find a Cartoon Network copyright is in the credits of the episodes themselves, but Hasbro appears to have long since bought out whatever rights Cartoon Network retained, hence their ability to freely upload Animated clips to their YouTube channels and make it available for streaming alongside their other Transformers cartoons on services like Tubi (very much unlike the one show we know they don't have all the rights to). And in either case, as mentioned above, it wouldn't prevent them from making new toys using those characters or designs. A much more likely explanation is Hasbro simply wanting new toys to fit a certain aesthetic, one that Animated's designs don't quite fit. So instead, they simply choose to adapt the characters to fit the new medium, such as with Prime Bulkhead or Cyberverse Clobber. The most overt case of this is the 2015 Japanese release of the Legends Slipstream toy, retooled by TakaraTomy from the non-Animated Generations Windblade toy to be more Animated-like, and explicitly spelled out to be the Animated character via the accompanying issue of the Legends comic, which itself likewise featured multiple cameos by Animated characters.
Basically, there's nothing stopping them from making new toys based on Animated characters if they wanted to... they just didn't want to up until the 2020s: At San Diego Comic-Con 2022, Hasbro designer Evan Brooks confirmed that any rumors that claim Animated characters are not available for use to Hasbro are incorrect, and Hasbro has all rights to all Transformers characters.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
william-james88 wrote:-Kanrabat- wrote:ZeroWolf wrote:I don't think they can
This needs to be double-checked to make sure.
They can't. Only the arms split
Sabrblade wrote:Will was asking about show-accuracy, not which is the better toy.Hellscream9999 wrote:Sabrblade wrote:Original. It was only a little inaccurate, while the new one doesn't even try for accuracy at all in its robot mode.william-james88 wrote:Which version of Prime Knockout is more show accurate to uou guys, the original ine or the Legacy one?
Really?
I mean, its not as stylized and curvy, but they arms transform the same way, the wheels end up in the same places as the prime design, and the feet and lower leg kibble are all similar, I think it keeps the spirit of the original very well.
Is it the loving update the likes of which armada starscream is getting? no, am I upset? mildly do I care? no, the figure looks sick.
Nemesis Primal wrote:-No continuity is off the table for Legacy, Cyberverse is an option
-Animated was given a flat-out confirmation by Evan, Animated characters/designs WILL be in Legacy, the theory of those characters/designs being held up by Cartoon Network rights is incorrect
-Evan cited Animated Lockdown, Ratchet, and Prime as characters/designs he specifically would like to work on
-Legacy Animated figures WILL be G1-ified, HOWEVER the team has also heard the feedback on Arcee/Bulkhead/Knock Out and are working to find a better G1-ification balance
-Minicons are something they're intending to figure out "once they move more fully into Armada"
-When asked about a new Cybertron OP & Wing Saber: "it would be totally doable to make a new Wing Saber connect to Siege GUOP" (implying Wing Saber is on the table but Optimus is considered done)
-Mark and Evan talk about making figures of the 13 Primes "all the time", mentioned The Fallen's tank mode
-Mention of potential Coneheads rerelease in Legacy
...and on top of all that semi-official stuff, JTPrime has said as of yesterday that Breakdown and Twincast's EAN numbers have been replaced with new ones that change what we thought the next few waves would be, indicating that Wave 4 will now include Needlenose, "Junkion 1", Hot Shot, Tarn, & Leo Prime (at least, don't think we know Leaders-per-specific-wave yet for 2023) in addition to Breakdown, while Twincast has been pushed back to the wave containing Metalhawk and the Wheeljack & Cheetor repacks have been possibly scrapped.
If you actually read to the end, I appreciate you
Munkky wrote:There is that leaked store listing for a Shadowstriker in next year's Velocitron line-up, but even if she was the only Cyberverse thing in Legacy, I'd be satisfied with that. Even so, a Legacy Thunderhowl or Hammerbyte would be nice.
Flashwave wrote:Soo ... Rescue Bots when?
Thanos wrote:Rodimus Prime wrote:Well I for 1 think it's a good idea for each combiner to be unique. I was never a big fan of the scramble concept, even if it was fun to mix up limbs.
I know the Combiner Wars combiners are somewhat polarizing, but that's what I really appreciated about the line. I've got six "custom" head-cannon combiners in my collection made from different limb and torso combinations. They're visually unique and add some variety to my collection.
What's wrong with the Unite Warriors one?bluecatcinema wrote:So maybe we'll be getting a show-accurate Bruticus after all?
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
AllNewSuperRobot wrote:Still missing one though...
Sabrblade wrote:What's wrong with the Unite Warriors one?bluecatcinema wrote:So maybe we'll be getting a show-accurate Bruticus after all?
The Combaticons didn't get their alt modes during WW2. They got them in 1985 from wrecked WW2 vehicles. We had space shuttles in 1985.RodimusPrimeUkraine1 wrote:Sabrblade wrote:What's wrong with the Unite Warriors one?bluecatcinema wrote:So maybe we'll be getting a show-accurate Bruticus after all?
Honestly, the cw seems fine by me. Everyone whining that blast off wasn't a shuttle, but for once I dont care. Yes, Soundwave should be a cassette player, but who's ever heard of a ww2 space shuttle? As long as the transformation and robot mode look the same, I actually like that modernization.
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