It's not a Transmetal.frogbat wrote:wa never a fan of the transmetal designs but this one isn't awful by any means
It's not a Transmetal.frogbat wrote:wa never a fan of the transmetal designs but this one isn't awful by any means
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Rtron wrote:Emerje wrote:Sabrblade wrote:Oh no. Oh NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO...!
Amid all these awesome listings, I just noticed the one that terrifies me the most: Leader class Overcharge.
Who is Overcharge, you ask? Not "who", "what". Overcharge is a redeco of Blitzwing. In very ordinary, non-striking colors. And is a troop-builder, no less, so there might be a lot of them to go around.
With how badly Blitzwing has shelf-warmed thus far, I dread how badly Overcharge is going to do the same.
We just can't escape that mold.
I for one will be treating him as a Diaclone transplant, if I wanted an accurate army of Overcharges I'd sticker up some Blitzwing figures.
I'm curious just how close to the exclusive these PRs will be. We've never really seen Hasbro do this before, but considering Legacy Dirge wasn't 100% like the original I'm guessing we'll see some slight changes here as well.
Meanwhile, still no Bumblebee.
Emerje
The lack of Bumblebee is getting a bit suspicious. It could just be typical corporate hypercorrection, with them just not wanting to release any extra Bumblebees AT ALL now. They did make sure not to feature him in the comic book, for example. But there's another possibility: that they're not rerealising the Netflix Bumblebee because a new one is in the works. ALthough they're taking their sweet time to rerelease Soundwave too, so maybe it's just them taking a long time and that's it.
Thanks to JTPrime, we now know of new listings within the Legacy United line. While G2 Breakdown and Armada Wheeljack are new, all others are reteleases of sought after toys and figures which were moved, like Sureshot and core class BW Dinobot. Fans should be very happy about this....
o.supreme wrote:Sowndwave76 wrote:No, it is 100% an exclusivity thing.
My local Walmart carried almost nothing from Velocitron, and I still have yet to see ANYTHING from Toxitron. Literally not one figure.
Had either of these Stunticons been regular retail releases, I could've bought them from any number of online retailers (possibly with free shipping) very, very easily.
You can throw-out "readily available" if you want to, but that's not the reality with exclusives.
That's why I go back to distribution. That was YOUR experience. Mine was that I saw almost every Velocitron toy in abundance. So much so that they went on clearance (except obviously for Cosmos (never saw) & Clampdown (only saw a couple times))
TF-fan kev777 wrote:Don't forget that VW may also get in the way of a Netflix Bee re-release since it is a licensed alt mode. Walmart isn't the only one with a say on that figure.
Emerje wrote:Meanwhile, still no Bumblebee.
Emerje
#1 Signal Lancer fan wrote:Armada Wheeljack is a big surprise for me. Of the Armada characters that I would have expected to get the Legacy treatment, he was pretty low on the list, but I'm all for it.
I mean, we know from the listing he's being sold at Deluxe, and that SG pack was just the retail price of a Voyager and a Deluxe even with the Minicon, so I think the Minicon is just included in the new tooling that the Sideswipe mold got?-Kanrabat- wrote:What will be less obvious is his price point. Voyager, maybe?
If they skip the minicon because they want to sell the thing as a deluxe, they better make a minicon pack that pack in his minicon and all the other ones that are missing.
Nemesis Primal wrote:I mean, we know from the listing he's being sold at Deluxe, and that SG pack was just the retail price of a Voyager and a Deluxe even with the Minicon, so I think the Minicon is just included in the new tooling that the Sideswipe mold got?-Kanrabat- wrote:What will be less obvious is his price point. Voyager, maybe?
If they skip the minicon because they want to sell the thing as a deluxe, they better make a minicon pack that pack in his minicon and all the other ones that are missing.
Emerje wrote:Wouldn't distribution mean stores would have set aside space for them and never put anything there?
Red Alert Will probably be made from whatever mold is used to make Cannonball in the Star Seeker subline.Stormshot_Prime wrote:I understand Armada Wheeljack with the whole SG mold, but I’m getting really antsy for an Armada Red Alert. I can see them not doing all the Cons, but Red Alert would complete the original trio of Autobots. Plus, he’s my favorite, and I hope any new mold keeps those insane legs like the original toy had.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Comparing the SG Sideswipe/Armada Wheeljack situation to that Hot Shot set is apples to oranges, and people need to stop thinking they're equivalent just because they both include Minicons.-Kanrabat- wrote:Nemesis Primal wrote:I mean, we know from the listing he's being sold at Deluxe, and that SG pack was just the retail price of a Voyager and a Deluxe even with the Minicon, so I think the Minicon is just included in the new tooling that the Sideswipe mold got?-Kanrabat- wrote:What will be less obvious is his price point. Voyager, maybe?
If they skip the minicon because they want to sell the thing as a deluxe, they better make a minicon pack that pack in his minicon and all the other ones that are missing.
Impossible.
The Hotshot and Jolt pack sold almost like a freaking leader class figure. Granted, there was a set of blast effects. But if we remove these, the set would be sold as a voyager as the bare minimum.
Often, multi-packs have their base price being "discounted" if you count the value of the individual figures. Other times, they aren't and even, their price increase, like the Reactivate sets.
...at which point I feel like that new tooling basically should have paid for itself, regardless of if the Minicon was included or not.-Kanrabat- wrote:
Considering Cannonball was a Cybertron Red Alert repaint, not Armada, a hypothetical Armada Red Alert should be a new mold regardless of what's happening with Cannonball.Sabrblade wrote:Red Alert Will probably be made from whatever mold is used to make Cannonball in the Star Seeker subline.Stormshot_Prime wrote:I understand Armada Wheeljack with the whole SG mold, but I’m getting really antsy for an Armada Red Alert. I can see them not doing all the Cons, but Red Alert would complete the original trio of Autobots. Plus, he’s my favorite, and I hope any new mold keeps those insane legs like the original toy had.
Which, if I had to guess, would probably be the Crankcase mold.
If I had guess, probably not at first, since the original Siege version of the mold was first created under a different brand team than the current one. They probably came up with all these later uses as they went along, even before and after the team change.chuckdawg1999 wrote:I wonder if they had all these uses planned out when they first conceived Siege Sideswipe.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Nemesis Primal wrote:Curious where this "there's no Bees" narrative is coming from, when there's one Bee already out for this year and getting repacked later (Legacy Animated Bee), two more that are coming out later in the year (A Level SS86 Bee and SS "Next Gen" Bee), three Bees last year (SS ROTB Bee, SS WFC Bee, and the Legacy Pulsecon Core Bee), and now already a Bee listed for next year (SS MV6 Bee)?
Ahhhh, I see, you meant G1 specifically. Well, presumably the SS86 Bee will alleviate that need.Emerje wrote:Nemesis Primal wrote:Curious where this "there's no Bees" narrative is coming from, when there's one Bee already out for this year and getting repacked later (Legacy Animated Bee), two more that are coming out later in the year (A Level SS86 Bee and SS "Next Gen" Bee), three Bees last year (SS ROTB Bee, SS WFC Bee, and the Legacy Pulsecon Core Bee), and now already a Bee listed for next year (SS MV6 Bee)?
You've misunderstood, we're talking specifically about Netflix Volkswagen Bumbelbee which has yet to be re-released and in high demand. We've had the Bumblebee head on the Cliffjumper body and the Bumblebee body with the Goldbug head, but we've yet to have that same combination of parts for a proper Bumblebee since the original. He's still selling in completed auctions on eBay consistently for around $70+ sealed, $45 loose after shipping.
Emerje
...but we have the retail listing now, we know he's at that exact price-point.-Kanrabat- wrote:If SG Sideswipe's minicon was gang-molded with his new parts, this mean the minicon is sure to be included with Armada Wheeljack. One thing is less sure though, is the price. I really doubt will be generous enough to sell this set at the standard deluxe price-point.
There it is, yeah, I remembered you mentioning the pricing for Pulsecon exclusives before but not where you were getting them from.-Kanrabat- wrote:And finally, so far, all of the Hasbro Pulse exclusives (minus the HASLAB) had found their way into Canadian Gamestops and sometime, some independent retailers. Their prices are usually ludicrous.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
o.supreme wrote:Sowndwave76 wrote:No, it is 100% an exclusivity thing.
My local Walmart carried almost nothing from Velocitron, and I still have yet to see ANYTHING from Toxitron. Literally not one figure.
Had either of these Stunticons been regular retail releases, I could've bought them from any number of online retailers (possibly with free shipping) very, very easily.
You can throw-out "readily available" if you want to, but that's not the reality with exclusives.
That's why I go back to distribution. That was YOUR experience. Mine was that I saw almost every Velocitron toy in abundance. So much so that they went on clearance (except obviously for Cosmos (never saw) & Clampdown (only saw a couple times))
Same with the Toxitron line. Especially Toxitron himself, and G2 Grimlock, clogging shelves for months One store in my area still has them. But I never saw G2 Dead End because he was 1 per case. Ended up paying a scalper price for him. If all the excess that my area, and several other areas had, made its way to areas that got none such as yours, this wouldn't be an issue, thus it is Walmarts screw up.
But I guess all of this is moot since Hasbro is reissuing most of them. If you never saw Override or Road Hauler, all I can say is; try to network with fans. They were like rabbits multiplying and clogging shelves at stores in my area. Unfortunately I didn't want them. but I'm always willing to ship to fans at cost, and I know others will as well, for anything that they may not have access to.
Sowndwave76 wrote:o.supreme wrote:Sowndwave76 wrote:No, it is 100% an exclusivity thing.
My local Walmart carried almost nothing from Velocitron, and I still have yet to see ANYTHING from Toxitron. Literally not one figure.
Had either of these Stunticons been regular retail releases, I could've bought them from any number of online retailers (possibly with free shipping) very, very easily.
You can throw-out "readily available" if you want to, but that's not the reality with exclusives.
That's why I go back to distribution. That was YOUR experience. Mine was that I saw almost every Velocitron toy in abundance. So much so that they went on clearance (except obviously for Cosmos (never saw) & Clampdown (only saw a couple times))
Same with the Toxitron line. Especially Toxitron himself, and G2 Grimlock, clogging shelves for months One store in my area still has them. But I never saw G2 Dead End because he was 1 per case. Ended up paying a scalper price for him. If all the excess that my area, and several other areas had, made its way to areas that got none such as yours, this wouldn't be an issue, thus it is Walmarts screw up.
But I guess all of this is moot since Hasbro is reissuing most of them. If you never saw Override or Road Hauler, all I can say is; try to network with fans. They were like rabbits multiplying and clogging shelves at stores in my area. Unfortunately I didn't want them. but I'm always willing to ship to fans at cost, and I know others will as well, for anything that they may not have access to.
But seeing some of those figures in abundance was YOUR experience.
I know my experience wasn't the norm, but there's no way it could be a one-off.
Road Hauler and Blurr were the figures I saw. But this was never about me complaining that I couldn't get figures that I wanted.
The point was that when a figure is an exclusive, it's naturally going to be more difficult to get.
And to make figures more difficult to get, especially any that are part of a combiner, is poor form.
If the G2 Stunticons weren't exclusives, "Walmart screwing up" or playing the blame game with distribution wouldn't be an issue. Period.
I truly don't get why you're trying to argue this.
There are many people who have experienced this between multiple years now.
ER Dirge, Ramjet, Thrust, Prowl, Ironide, Ratchet, Sideswipe, Red Alert...
NF Bumblebee, & Soundwave...
Buzzworthy Kup, & Cliffjumper..
Cosmos...
G2 Shadowstrip, & Dead End...
At least a few of the SS86 G1 reissues...
All more difficult to get because they were exclusives.
Hell, I only have Origins Jazz because my wife found one (the only one in the store) when she was out of state on a work trip.
I was never claiming an exclusive is some kind of unicorn.
But most people who have a lot of exclusive figures cannot say those were all easy to get ahold of.
Cosmos originally wasn't supposed to be a brand new mold. He was going to be a retool of the Buzzworthy Bumblebee Origin Bumblebee mold. TakaraTomy, all on their own, surprised Hasbro by finding a way to make a whole new Cosmos mold of its own with the tooling budget that was meant for retooling Origin Bumblebee. The same thing happened with Override being a new mold, when she too was originally supposed to be a retool, of the SS86 Hot Rod mold. So both of them ended up being rare cases of new molds being made for a line of mold reuses.Till-all-R1 wrote:Makes you wonder about Cosmos if they're able to reissue it Legacy Universe main line, why couldn't they have just done that in the first place? It's a new Bot specific mold after all, so you'd think the tooling would require those resource. I guess this was a case that it wouldn't have even happened without Walmart exclusivity but I always thought that these were primarily repaint not new tooling. So that aspect does seem odd especially given the fact Walmart themselves screwed the case breakdown and decided to short pack that figure. Though I guess that's how you offset a brand new mold, packing it in with more repaints.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Emerje wrote:
Meanwhile, still no Bumblebee.
Emerje
AcademyofDrX wrote:Using this list as a shortcut:
ER Dirge, Ramjet, Thrust, Prowl, Ironide, Ratchet, Sideswipe, Red Alert...
NF Bumblebee, & Soundwave...
Buzzworthy Kup, & Cliffjumper..
Cosmos...
G2 Shadowstrip, & Dead End...
At least a few of the SS86 G1 reissues...
Ironhide and Rachet sold out quickly, and of course Cosmos disappeared in minutes. Most of the others were either up for pre-order or were available online for reasonable periods. With notable exceptions, and especially with Pulse offering limited partner exclusives and timed launches, most of these were very gettable. My main takeaway from the pandemic period was that if I want something, I need to jump on it. Especially for in-demand figures, I can't trust that I'll be able to pick it up when it's convenient. A handful of these I was able to get only because I was checking out as soon as they went up, but that has been the exception rather than the rule, even for that subset.
AcademyofDrX wrote:With all of that said, I completely get the frustration. It shouldn't be this hard. I'm glad that Hasbro has taken steps like reissuing the coneheads, and if these leaks are real, it shows they want to satisfy the fanbase. They have to juggle getting everything into everyone's hands while also satisfying retailer expectations.
Sabrblade wrote:Cosmos originally wasn't supposed to be a brand new mold. He was going to be a retool of the Buzzworthy Bumblebee origin Bumblebee mold. TakaraTomy, all on their own, Surprise Hasbro by finding a way to make a whole new Cosmos mold of its own with the tooling budget that was meant for retooling Origin Bumblebee. The same thing happened with Override being a new mold, when she too was originally supposed to be a retool, of the SS86 Hot Rod mold. Suppose of them ended up being rare cases of new molds being made for a line of mold reuses.Till-all-R1 wrote:Makes you wonder about Cosmos if they're able to reissue it Legacy Universe main line, why couldn't they have just done that in the first place? It's a new Bot specific mold after all, so you'd think the tooling would require those resource. I guess this was a case that it wouldn't have even happened without Walmart exclusivity but I always thought that these were primarily repaint not new tooling. So that aspect does seem odd especially given the fact Walmart themselves screwed the case breakdown and decided to short pack that figure. Though I guess that's how you offset a brand new mold, packing it in with more repaints.
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