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Nemesis Primal wrote:

o.supreme wrote:Buzzworthy "Nemesis Primal" [was a] pointless cash grab

HOW DARE YOU.

(I never actually got him anyway, never even saw the 4-pack)

Nothing personal Bro, I'm sure you are awesome, just never saw the point of that toy. Anyway...I had the chance to get the 4 pack even on a discount and passed. Fangry loooked cool, but it wasn't enough to justify the rest.

chuckdawg1999 wrote:For me, Blast Effects were over when my cat would knock them off the blasters and hide them. Lost a whole day looking for a Siege Targetmaster and effect. That was around the same time people were reporting the effects were melting onto the guns and limbs of the figures due to the plastic used.

Cats are fun . Immediately when getting a new toy with Blast effects the smaller ones all just go straight into a plastic bag. The good news is I haven't lost any, the bad news is I have no idea who's is who's.

The only exceptions being the larger ones. Omega Supreme, stores not only his, but also Scorponoks, And Sky Lynx all in his legs. CC Jetfire and Rodimus are the only ones actually displayed with their effects.



As for Menasor, I wonder if there are a way to turn the legs around? I'll admit in the animated series, having the cars on the back never bothered me, but in toy form, if you cant see the cars, it seems kind of pointless. I just hope if they can be rotated, they can look something closer to the toy commercial animation design

o.supreme wrote:As for Menasor, I wonder if there are a way to turn the legs around? I'll admit in the animated series, having the cars on the back never bothered me, but in toy form, if you cant see the cars, it seems kind of pointless. I just hope if they can be rotated, they can look something closer to the toy commercial animation design

Technically he can, it'd just remove the use of his knees (unless you want a forward bend at the knee)

Sentinel_Primal wrote:

o.supreme wrote:As for Menasor, I wonder if there are a way to turn the legs around? I'll admit in the animated series, having the cars on the back never bothered me, but in toy form, if you cant see the cars, it seems kind of pointless. I just hope if they can be rotated, they can look something closer to the toy commercial animation design

Technically he can, it'd just remove the use of his knees (unless you want a forward bend at the knee)

Chicken leg menasor.

Autobot N wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:Otherwise known as Beast Wars Skywasp.

This conflicts with my headcanon of Kingdom Skywarp being the G1 guy who switched sides

Well, it could be a different character, possibly one that was based upon the original G1 Skywarp. Perhaps THIS Predacon became THIS Vehicon?

- https://tfwiki.net/wiki/Mirage_(BM)

You can turn Menasor's legs around but they won't bend at the jnee. Can still make fir other nice poses though.

Pre-ordered Tarantulas. I am rolling my eyes so hard at the December place holder date. Please Amazon Wave 1 of Legacy is already hitting stores. Wave 2 I bet sometime in the summer

william-james88 wrote:You can turn Menasor's legs around but they won't bend at the knee. Can still make fir other nice poses though.

Honestly this is the thing that upsets me the most about him. I can accept him being a frame combiner since it will result in a better toy (stupid concept in fiction, though). But I hate that the limb bots have to be on the back of the legs for cartoon accuracy. And unfortunately Menasor is the worse offender out of all of the G1 combiners since his legs are just grey with cars on the back of them

Sabrblade wrote:

william-james88 wrote:And now that we have seen all the Cheetor repaints possible,

There's still Fox Kids and SG Cheetor they could do.

And a fan made a custom pre-Transmetal version of Cataclysm from the Kingdom Cheetor mold that looks pretty sweet.

Looks like some sort of version of Blackcat.

william-james88 wrote:You can turn Menasor's legs around but they won't bend at the jnee. Can still make fir other nice poses though.

Didn't stop people from turning the CW version's backwards for cartoon accuracy.

Emerje

Autobot N wrote:

william-james88 wrote:You can turn Menasor's legs around but they won't bend at the knee. Can still make fir other nice poses though.

Honestly this is the thing that upsets me the most about him. I can accept him being a frame combiner since it will result in a better toy (stupid concept in fiction, though). But I hate that the limb bots have to be on the back of the legs for cartoon accuracy. And unfortunately Menasor is the worse offender out of all of the G1 combiners since his legs are just grey with cars on the back of them

It's not 'cartoon accuracy' - it's toy accuracy.

sol magnus wrote:

Autobot N wrote:

william-james88 wrote:You can turn Menasor's legs around but they won't bend at the knee. Can still make fir other nice poses though.

Honestly this is the thing that upsets me the most about him. I can accept him being a frame combiner since it will result in a better toy (stupid concept in fiction, though). But I hate that the limb bots have to be on the back of the legs for cartoon accuracy. And unfortunately Menasor is the worse offender out of all of the G1 combiners since his legs are just grey with cars on the back of them

It's not 'cartoon accuracy' - it's toy accuracy.

How is it not cartoon accuracy?

william-james88 wrote:

sol magnus wrote:

Autobot N wrote:

william-james88 wrote:You can turn Menasor's legs around but they won't bend at the knee. Can still make fir other nice poses though.

Honestly this is the thing that upsets me the most about him. I can accept him being a frame combiner since it will result in a better toy (stupid concept in fiction, though). But I hate that the limb bots have to be on the back of the legs for cartoon accuracy. And unfortunately Menasor is the worse offender out of all of the G1 combiners since his legs are just grey with cars on the back of them

It's not 'cartoon accuracy' - it's toy accuracy.

How is it not cartoon accuracy?

Yeah, if Menasor were toy accurate he wouldn't be a frame

william-james88 wrote:

sol magnus wrote:

Autobot N wrote:

william-james88 wrote:You can turn Menasor's legs around but they won't bend at the knee. Can still make fir other nice poses though.

Honestly this is the thing that upsets me the most about him. I can accept him being a frame combiner since it will result in a better toy (stupid concept in fiction, though). But I hate that the limb bots have to be on the back of the legs for cartoon accuracy. And unfortunately Menasor is the worse offender out of all of the G1 combiners since his legs are just grey with cars on the back of them

It's not 'cartoon accuracy' - it's toy accuracy.

How is it not cartoon accuracy?

The cartoon was accurate to the toy in terms of the legs. The only 'cars' that faced front were Streetwise and Brawl. Which comes first? The chicken or the egg?

He went as far as to say it's 'a stupid concept in fiction' but I'm saying it's a concept in fact (stupid or not) or because the correct transformation for the toy the artwork is based on has the Stunticons car parts on the backs of Menasor's legs.

WHat about that begs another question?

Autobot N wrote:Yeah, if Menasor were toy accurate he wouldn't be a frame

The 'frame' is to achieve the look while creating a figure that can articulate. Give me a break.

sol magnus wrote:He went as far as to say it's 'a stupid concept in fiction' but I'm saying it's a concept in fact (stupid or not) or because the correct transformation for the toy the artwork is based on has the Stunticons car parts on the backs of Menasor's legs.

I said the frame is a stupid concept in fiction, not the limbs being on the backs of the legs (which I still don't like). Especially since the toy didn't do that, it was invented for the show

Autobot N wrote:

sol magnus wrote:He went as far as to say it's 'a stupid concept in fiction' but I'm saying it's a concept in fact (stupid or not) or because the correct transformation for the toy the artwork is based on has the Stunticons car parts on the backs of Menasor's legs.

I said the frame is a stupid concept in fiction, not the limbs being on the backs of the legs (which I still don't like). Especially since the toy didn't do that, it was invented for the show

But the toy does exactly that, where the legs are concerned. If you don't like the arms, that's another discussion. But the legs are displayed the same way in the original toy - Combiner Wars did it opposite that (and it looks like s--t).

sol magnus wrote:But the toy does exactly that, where the legs are concerned. If you don't like the arms, that's another discussion. But the legs are displayed the same way in the original toy - Combiner Wars did it opposite that (and it looks like s--t).

No I mean that the toy isn't a frame, the show did that. I'm aware that the toy has the cars facing backwards, and at least it looks better than in the show because Breakdown and Wildrider's colors actually show up on the fronts of the legs. But the CW switch is still the superior look imo

Autobot N wrote:

sol magnus wrote:But the toy does exactly that, where the legs are concerned. If you don't like the arms, that's another discussion. But the legs are displayed the same way in the original toy - Combiner Wars did it opposite that (and it looks like s--t).

No I mean that the toy isn't a frame, the show did that. I'm aware that the toy has the cars facing backwards, and at least it looks better than in the show because Breakdown and Wildrider's colors actually show up on the fronts of the legs. But the CW switch is still the superior look imo

The show didn't make him a 'frame' so much as they found it easier to animate him that way. He does appear in at least one episode (Masquerade, I think) where the cars are actually arms and not just sort of on Motormaster's arms.

It was an animation cheat, not a 'frame.' And this Menasor achieves the correct look, even with the arms because the cars 'bend', which they didn't really do on the show - they were more like shields or something.

There is an example in G1 animation of the cars on the legs beibg turned the other way - it's the commercial for the Aerialbots and Stunticons, but that's the only time it's depicted that way.

Just so that everyone is on the same page:


Transformers G1 1986 Menasor Gallery


Transformers G1 1986 Menasor Gallery


Transformers G1 1986 Menasor Gallery

G1 toy: Leg cars faced backwards.




Transformers Generations Combiner Wars Menasor Gallery


Transformers Generations Combiner Wars Menasor Gallery

Combiner Wars toy: Leg cars face forwards.

I'm very impressed with the Jhiaxus figure we're finally getting. All of the G2 Marvel Comics fans should be delighted. Hasbro and Takara have not only avoided striking out on their third swing at Jhiaxus, but they've also nearly hit it out of the park! The deco is basically perfect. The robot mode looks fantastic. The alt mode looks pretty much like it's supposed to. It would tickle me to see Jhiaxus repainted in orange, black, and gray, though. I've always sort of head-cannoned that deco as his "G1" deco, if he had been around back then.

The Siege Soundwave repack is a very weird choice. Obviously, people who never got a decent chance at buying the Netflix Soundwave at retail are heartbroken. I have that version, only because I was able to order it as soon as it was available, several months later, on Hasbro Pulse. Still, I was welcoming the chance at a re-release with a refined deco that adds back in some of the more iconic Soundwave details left off the Netflix release, like the red pinstriping in the wrists, or that fixed the contrasting bright yellow and metallic gold paint apps around the tape deck door. It shouldn't matter if the mold was used first for a Walmart-exclusive line, especially if the paint work is technically different and it didn't have Laserbeak and Ravage include. I thought it was a golden opportunity to finally give us a Buzzsaw repaint of Laserbeak, but it's not to be (or not yet at least). Amazon and Target are doing something very similar with their two different deco releases of Terrorsaur. Why can't we have that with Soundwave?

I don't think there's anything really new to say about Blitzwing after the Hasbro Pulse official reveal. I'm still very much looking forward to him. The robot mode is fantastic. The tank mode is fantastic for what it's trying to emulate. The jet mode is also there. It's too bad Hasbro and Takara didn't anticipate the huge Mandella Effect of replicating the G1 toy and cartoon tank design so faithfully with the jet cockpit in plain view. If they had, they might have gone the extra mile to build it an alternate transformation or add a parts-forming panel to hide the cockpit instead for a more realistic tank look.

Motormaster looks great to me. The alt mode is really nice, even if the trailer seems a little short. The robot mode is spot-on, but wow, it's pretty obvious how fake kibble those feet are. I wish they had found a way to at least hide more of the real truck cab bits in robot mode to make it less obvious. I've made my peace with faux parts, though, as I have with parts-forming. Sometimes it's needed. Sometimes it's well executed. Sometimes it's poorly executed. In this case...it's borderline. Regardless, I think we're getting our money's worth with this latest Commander Class figure.

I can't wait to put together Cartoon Menasor later this year. The best part is that they fixed his face! No more "eewww, who farted?" expression from Combiner Wars/Unite Warriors! The possibility of full or even partial CW/UW backwards compatibility is very cool. I want to see comparison shots of the full Legacy Menasor with CW/UW Superion. I hope they're not too far off in height.

@ Menasor images....

@ Menasor images....

Sabrblade wrote:
Transformers G1 1986 Menasor Gallery

I legit did not know G1 Menasor had truck cab Kardashian Ass cheeks. that is hilarious.

Still wish Motormaster was a leader class figure that followed the Earth Wars design for him, would have looked infinitely better. And that the deluxes would have still used a combiner system, so you could slap the old limbs onto him or use the new ones.

I'm not saying Cartoon Menasor isn't a combiner, but to me he does fall into the same category as minicon powerlinxing or Breastmaster chest armor combining. The deluxes enhance his already "complete" body.

Also also, I will always display the legs facing forwards. It has never looked good for me to have the car parts facing backwards.

Personally, I don't see an issue with wishing that Menasor could have the cars facing forward. It doesn't hurt to have options in this case cause the option is essentially an extra swivel below the knee to allow the shins to rotate while still maintaining a functional knee. The swivel could even be like CW with a ratchet joint, or it could have been a friction one with locking points. Either way, I can't see where there would have been an issue with the option.

I'm still extremely excited for, and heavily planning to get Menasor, but part of me wishes he had more toy-accurate options. Like a toy accurate alt chest with the Roller car, an alternate head for the horns instead of antennae, and maybe a set of stickers or alternate shin flaps to give the legs color instead of being the greyed out details. Doing the rough math in my head for how many new pieces that would be comes to between 9-13 additional parts which probably wouldn't fit the budget, so I get why they didn't include them, just think it woulda been neat (and possible Selects repaint territory for the toy detailing)

Combiner Wars Menasor in 2014, Legacy Menasor in 2022, maybe you'll get your toy accurate version in 2030. Just goes to show there are as many toy design preferences as there are collectors. Someone else might have pointed this out already, but with the CW leg ports on Legacy MM, one should be able to have toy accurate legs by using the CW boots backwards from their official configuration, without knee articulation. Granted that means you'll need two sets of bots spaced out across a decade, but I'm frankly amazed that they put in the effort to give fans the cartoon model primary mode with multiple alternate options possible.

AcademyofDrX wrote:Combiner Wars Menasor in 2014, Legacy Menasor in 2022, maybe you'll get your toy accurate version in 2030.

I'd actually prefer that we let this be the final G1 Menasor for at least 20 years, and instead get this Menasor in 2030 (though preferably much sooner):

D-Maximal_Primal wrote:

AcademyofDrX wrote:Combiner Wars Menasor in 2014, Legacy Menasor in 2022, maybe you'll get your toy accurate version in 2030.

I'd actually prefer that we let this be the final G1 Menasor for at least 20 years, and instead get this Menasor in 2030 (though preferably much sooner):

That is pretty slick, more non-G1 the better.